Lind to Mariners for 3 lower level RHP prospects (Daniel Missaki, Carlos Herrera, Freddy Peralta)

[Roderick]

Even if we got nothing for Adam Lind, we did well in that trade. He had a below average season at $8M cost.

 

We paid Carter 2.5M and he had a much better year.

[Lathund]

A lot of people were quite upset about getting three young pitchers for...[checks notes]...Adam Lind.

 

Reading through the early posts, it'd kind of interesting how little the fact that Lind had only 1 year remaining was brought up. Today I think a much larger proportion of the fanbase realise the effect that has on valutations, and I don't think this kind of haul would really be surprising to anyone. Shows both how the knowledge of how front offices operate in the "Moneyball era" (And what I'm sure is a vague slide into whatever "Post-Moneyball" will be) is spreading, but also what a slow process it is.

[Jopal78]

Even if we got nothing for Adam Lind, we did well in that trade. He had a below average season at $8M cost.

 

We paid Carter 2.5M and he had a much better year.

 

Lind had an .820 OPS for Milwaukee in 2015, better than his career norm certainly an improvement over the Mark Reynolds, Lyle Overbay disaster in '14.

 

Lind just also happened to be on that 2015 team which flopped out of the gate and cost Roenicke and Melvin their jobs, and sent the Brewers into a rebuild.

 

Credit aboslutely goes to whomever had the positive scouting report on Peralta, but probably a substantial amount of luck plays a role in obtaining a international teenaged A-ball pitcher and having them ultimately be an All-Star

[Roderick]

Even if we got nothing for Adam Lind, we did well in that trade. He had a below average season at $8M cost.

 

We paid Carter 2.5M and he had a much better year.

 

Lind had an .820 OPS for Milwaukee in 2015, better than his career norm certainly an improvement over the Mark Reynolds, Lyle Overbay disaster in '14.

 

Lind just also happened to be on that 2015 team which flopped out of the gate and cost Roenicke and Melvin their jobs, and sent the Brewers into a rebuild.

 

Credit aboslutely goes to whomever had the positive scouting report on Peralta, but probably a substantial amount of luck plays a role in obtaining a international teenaged A-ball pitcher and having them ultimately be an All-Star

 

I was referring to Lind's 2016 season, as being below average. Yes, I thought Lind had a very good 2015 season for the Brewers.

[josh]

“None are in the top 30 prospects for the Mariners.”

 

You’re telling me prospect rankings can be wrong?!?

[adambr2]

“None are in the top 30 prospects for the Mariners.”

 

You’re telling me prospect rankings can be wrong?!?

 

I don't think it's so much about the prospect rankings being wrong. When you're dealing with these teenage prospects, especially the lesser known ones out of Central America, Dominican, etc, there's so much unknown, so much projection.

 

You can live and breathe prospect lists for a living, but there's still so much they don't know. Deals like this are just a real win for the scouting team first and foremost, because there's so much deep diving going into these kinds of prospects.

[markedman5]

What kind of ceiling do these guys have? From what I've read here I see Davies or bullpen. That's of course if they become anything at all. If there really were 20 or so teams interested in Lind I can't believe this is the best offer they got. This trade just seems like trying to be cute and overthinking.

 

I will say that I like the K and BB numbers I see from these guys but they're high schoolers playing against other high schoolers, not much you can really take from that.

 

I’ve given this a lot of thought since the trade was made in 2015 and I will say that I’m pretty confident that Peralta has All Star potential……..not as sure on the other guys however…..

[BrewersSuperCollector]

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/1/7/7511835/seattle-mariners-top-20-prospects-for-2015

 

Just for the fun of it. Sorry if this was posted already. i wasn't going to read through all 18 pages.

[Outlander]

Browsing through this thread and saw these guys compared to Carlos Luna a couple of times. Luna is having a good season at A+ this year but you never know with these trades, all three could still be in the minors now and we could still be wondering how the trade would turn out.

[MrTPlush]

One guy people wanted was Luiz Gohara (I think people wanted him other than just this trade). Gohara ended up a Top 25 prospect years later, but never became a MLB asset. The other guy quite a few mentioned before the players were announced hasn't seen AAA.

[StearnsFTW]

I know I wanted Gohara. Electric stuff. Derailed by injuries.

 

I'm fine with how it turned out.

[stoutdude04]

I know I wanted Gohara. Electric stuff. Derailed by injuries.

 

I'm fine with how it turned out.

 

Yea. It was okay. I guess.

 

[Jopal78]

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/1/7/7511835/seattle-mariners-top-20-prospects-for-2015

 

Just for the fun of it. Sorry if this was posted already. i wasn't going to read through all 18 pages.

 

Not to hijack this thread, but man the Mariners are their own worst enemy:

 

From that list they traded:

 

Alex Jackson (#6 overall) late bloomer but reached the Majors and is on the DL for Atlanta, Seattle got two players both of whom have been out of baseball for several years.

Tyler O'Neill traded to St. Louis for Marco Gonzalez (not a bad pitcher but they traded away the better player in the deal).

Ketel Marte --traded to Arizona they did receive Mitch Haniger and Segura but included Taijuan Walker. Segura was flipped in another salary dump. Haniger isn't bad but they traded away the best player in the deal.

Ryan Yarbrough--traded to Tampa Bay with Mallex Smith for Drew Smyly. A complete flop as Smyly never pitched for Seattle, and they then traded Mike Zunino to TB to reacquire Smith

Edwin Diaz --They did get Kelenic who has superstar potential....but Diaz has been terrific the last two years and has team control remaining. Cano is a knucklehead but when he has played he has been productive. But besides the players they gave up to get Kelenic they gave the Mets 20 million dollars and took back Jay Bruce's and Anthony Swarzak's contracts. They then paid the Phillies 18 million dollars to take Jay Bruce and paid Atlanta 2 million to take Swarzak. So they are one star player, Cano and 40 million dollars into Kelenic. That's an insanely high price.

 

Obviously, Freddy Peralta for Lind is a bust as well.

 

Hard to believe all the nice talent they drafted/signed then peddled away for diminishing returns.

[Simba2020]

The one thing that shocked me going through some of the old posts was that Lind was a 3 WAR player. I guess he was per baseball reference in 2015 but not even close on fangraphs. Not sure how popular fangraphs was back in the day, but fWAR is a better metric than bWAR for predicting what a player is going get in free agency. So I would have said Lind was closer to 1.5 WAR than 3 at the time of the trade which would have made his $8 million salary an over pay for a 32 year old that couldn't field at all. I'd say the return was fair even if the trio never sniffed the majors.

[brewcrewdue80]

Just gotta say replay on IP for Freddy at AS game was- 0-2 count strikeout, 0-2 count strikeout, 2-2 count strikeout. He kd more batters than balls thrown.

[brewcrewdue80]

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/1/7/7511835/seattle-mariners-top-20-prospects-for-2015

 

Just for the fun of it. Sorry if this was posted already. i wasn't going to read through all 18 pages.

 

Not to hijack this thread, but man the Mariners are their own worst enemy:

 

From that list they traded:

 

Alex Jackson (#6 overall) late bloomer but reached the Majors and is on the DL for Atlanta, Seattle got two players both of whom have been out of baseball for several years.

Tyler O'Neill traded to St. Louis for Marco Gonzalez (not a bad pitcher but they traded away the better player in the deal).

Ketel Marte --traded to Arizona they did receive Mitch Haniger and Segura but included Taijuan Walker. Segura was flipped in another salary dump. Haniger isn't bad but they traded away the best player in the deal.

Ryan Yarbrough--traded to Tampa Bay with Mallex Smith for Drew Smyly. A complete flop as Smyly never pitched for Seattle, and they then traded Mike Zunino to TB to reacquire Smith

Edwin Diaz --They did get Kelenic who has superstar potential....but Diaz has been terrific the last two years and has team control remaining. Cano is a knucklehead but when he has played he has been productive. But besides the players they gave up to get Kelenic they gave the Mets 20 million dollars and took back Jay Bruce's and Anthony Swarzak's contracts. They then paid the Phillies 18 million dollars to take Jay Bruce and paid Atlanta 2 million to take Swarzak. So they are one star player, Cano and 40 million dollars into Kelenic. That's an insanely high price.

 

Obviously, Freddy Peralta for Lind is a bust as well.

 

Hard to believe all the nice talent they drafted/signed then peddled away for diminishing returns.

 

Only gripe I have is the Ketal Marte and Walker trade for Segura and Haniger. Not looking it up yet but Im fairly certain Walker wasn't a good pitcher for AZ.

Now I'll go look up to see.

 

Yeah Seattle likely has no issues with that trade. Haniger is Marte even. Segura had 7.4BWAR before turning in a trade for JP Crawford and a roundabout rental of Encarnacion. Walker pitched 1 season for AZ 2.6WAR and -.1WAR the following 2 after TJ erased most of those 2 seasons. FA after (that a good few wanted to give a shot FA signing)

[SeaBass]

Just gotta say replay on IP for Freddy at AS game was- 0-2 count strikeout, 0-2 count strikeout, 2-2 count strikeout. He kd more batters than balls thrown.

Wouldn't it have been nice for the broadcasters to pay attention to his performance instead of doing an in depth interview with a mic'd up player in the outfield?

 

I do understand that the in-game ability to talk with a player while he's playing the field can be a fun aspect of a broadcast but sometimes it can feel forced. I'm not sure Joe Buck is much of an asset in these types of things, his personality isn't exactly lighthearted and fun. Plus you've kind of taken away the attention from some guys, all-stars themselves, pitching or batting that also deserve their screen time and it might be their only appearance in the game. It's a difficult balance to strike.

 

Buck's interview with Shohei Ohtani through his interpreter also felt a bit awkward, for the majority of the audience it feels like he's actually interviewing his interpreter, all I wondered about is "how accurately is the interpreter relaying Buck's questions to Shohei and Shohei's answers back to him/the audience?"

[StearnsFTW]

Yeah, they can get rid of the mikes ASAP.

 

Overshadowed the best-pitched half inning of the game, not to mention it was just lame all around.

[Pugger]

Just gotta say replay on IP for Freddy at AS game was- 0-2 count strikeout, 0-2 count strikeout, 2-2 count strikeout. He kd more batters than balls thrown.

 

He was great last night! Very proud of him. I felt bad for Burnes, however. I didn't see the last inning. Did Hader pitch in the 9th? Did Navarez hit?

[SeaBass]

Yeah, they can get rid of the mikes ASAP.

 

Overshadowed the best-pitched half inning of the game, not to mention it was just lame all around.

Yeah, it's supposed to be fun and it has been at times in the past. It's just extremely personality driven, if the host or interviewee isn't a "fun" personality then it's going to feel stale. Khris Bryant is out there trying to sound like he's having fun and being lighthearted and Joe Buck feeds him some hardball questions about how the Cubs currently suck and are likely to be sellers and he probably will be traded. Why would Bryant want to be answering those types of questions during a segment that's supposed to feel fun? Ugh. Save that crap for press conferences.

[stoutdude04]

Just gotta say replay on IP for Freddy at AS game was- 0-2 count strikeout, 0-2 count strikeout, 2-2 count strikeout. He kd more batters than balls thrown.

 

He was great last night! Very proud of him. I felt bad for Burnes, however. I didn't see the last inning. Did Hader pitch in the 9th? Did Navarez hit?

 

I didnt see Hader. Narvaez had one AB that I saw, and he grounded out.

 

Peraltas inning earned him a 99 overall diamond card in MLB the show.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just gotta say replay on IP for Freddy at AS game was- 0-2 count strikeout, 0-2 count strikeout, 2-2 count strikeout. He kd more batters than balls thrown.

 

He was great last night! Very proud of him. I felt bad for Burnes, however. I didn't see the last inning. Did Hader pitch in the 9th? Did Navarez hit?

 

I didnt see Hader. Narvaez had one AB that I saw, and he grounded out.

 

Peraltas inning earned him a 99 overall diamond card in MLB the show.

 

Narvaez batted twice. Grounded out and beat out an infield single. Then was thrown out at 2nd trying to get there on a wild pitch that miraculously bounced off the backstop right back to the catcher. One in a million carrom, but he was a dead duck at 2nd.

 

Hader didn't pitch. Burnes got into trouble with a walk and a couple hits in his first inning, but the walk was the only score to come across. He gave up a missile to Vlad Jr. in his 2nd inning of work.

[Zad Fnark]

Freddy looked pretty amazing. Probably helped that Narvaez caught for him.

[MrTPlush]

Not saying it is my opinion, but the mic'd players are usually well liked and a big reason why people even watch the AS Game.

[stoutdude04]

Not saying it is my opinion, but the mic'd players are usually well liked and a big reason why people even watch the AS Game.

 

Agreed. I think it would have been a perfect opportunity to ask Bryant how happy he was to be in left as opposed the batters box against Freddy while he was rolling. Or something like that.