KROD to the Tigers for Betancourt and PTBNL (PTBNL is catcher Manny Piña, post 157)

[pacopete4]

When is the rule 5 draft again?

 

December 10th.

 

 

Thank you! For some reason I could not find a date.

[LouisEly]

Well it isn't that simple because leaving them off is attractive because if they don't get selected you won't have them on your 40 man. If you put them on your 40 man then you have him stuck there or risk him getting claimed by another team if you pull him off which is worse than if he just got selected I the Rule 5

Right, but you have to balance the reward of not putting them on the 40-man with the risk of losing them. That's why I said put the best 38, not 40 - leave a couple of spots for roster flexibility so you won't have to remove the player if other opportunities come up.

 

Or, to answer the original question, the player in question is better than people think.

[billymac]

Some talk about the PTBNL for KRod coming from Detroit and the Rule 5 draft tomorrow.....according to Jim Callis and MLB Pipeline, Detroit doesn't have any 40 roster spots open for the draft at this point

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/158824232/rule-5-draft-preview-from-jim-callis?topicid=151437456

[Outlander]

There is some thought the PTBNL is rule 5 eligible so it could still play a factor even though Detroit does not have a pick.

[brewmann04]

another Silly Question did we get anyone back from Minny I believe for Cotts

[pacopete4]

another Silly Question did we get anyone back from Minny I believe for Cotts

 

 

I think we took cash.

[Cooper]

Looks like the Brewers received catching depth as the PTBNL in the KROD deal.

 

 

Tom ‏@Haudricourt 3m3 minutes ago

To complete trade of Francisco Rodriguez to Detroit, #Brewers pick up C Manny Pina.

[pacopete4]

Already pretty old. I guess its AAA depth.

[trwi7]

Seems like Lucroy insurance to me. If they find a deal they like, it's Maldonado/Pina.

[And That]

If any of the recent transactions are underwhelming, this would be it.

[billymac]

FWIW, Pina was the Tigers MiLB catcher of the year last year

 

http://m.milb.com/l113/news/article/20151023154955754/

[BrewBalls]

For a catcher he still put up some decent numbers in AAA last season: .305/.379/.461

[MrTPlush]

I actually don't mind it. I expected nothing for K-Rod. David Stearns wanted catcher depth and I guess this is what he was hinting to. Thank god we don't have to watch Juan Centeno if someone gets hurt. Also wouldn't be surprised to see him beat of Maldonado for the backup gig.

 

Caught 47% of would be base stealers last year and 37% over his 10 year career. Not too bad.

[gregmag]

I was hoping for a prospect, but we needed somebody like this in the system.

 

I wonder if we could have gotten a better second piece by eating some of Rodriguez's salary, then just signed a guy like this off waivers or as a minor league free agent. Who knows.

 

This would seem to confirm that Rodriguez had pretty low value. Given how well he's been pitching, that seems most likely to be about his domestic violence record. If instead it just reflects a weak market for relievers, then we shouldn't rush to move more of our pen guys. But I hope one or more of them will bring some good offers.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think the problem with K-Rod has little to do with domestic violence issues. They are not recent and he was never convicted. I think it has to do with him being a soft tosser who rely on his change up to get people out. That type of pitcher does not seem to be in vogue right now.

I should note I am diminishing the significance of his off field issues. I just don't think baseball people are that worried about it if they felt he was as good as his numbers indicate. If he still hit the upper 90's on his fastball and had the numbers he had the past couple seasons teams would have been all over him no matter what he did.

[LouisEly]

Oh, it has a lot to do with his domestic violence issues because of the new policy instituted by MLB back in August. The owners knew it was coming which is why the Brewers weren't able to trade him in July. Behavior is repetitive and teams must be scared to death of giving up value if he indeed does repeat his behavior.

 

35-year-old Ryan Madson got 3/$22M, and teams are scared of K-Rod's salary? I don't think so.

[logan82]

Yup, nothing to do with the fact he has s low 90's fastball and the last time he pitched for a team other than the Brewers he sucked. It's all the domestic violence that he was never convicted of from years ago.

[LouisEly]

Nothing to do with the fact that he had the second best save percentage in MLB last year, is two years younger than Madson, was an All-Star each of the last two seasons, and didn't miss three seasons with injury like Madson either.

 

Trevor Hoffman had a pretty good career throwing high-80's fastballs and changeups after age 30. He says hello.

[danzig6767]

Oh, it has a lot to do with his domestic violence issues because of the new policy instituted by MLB back in August. The owners knew it was coming which is why the Brewers weren't able to trade him in July. Behavior is repetitive and teams must be scared to death of giving up value if he indeed does repeat his behavior.

 

35-year-old Ryan Madson got 3/$22M, and teams are scared of K-Rod's salary? I don't think so.

If the A's would have had to give up quality prospects to sign Madson, they likely would have passed.

 

It might be that for a few teams, the domestic violence issues with K-Rod combined with what thy viewed of him on the field/his age/contract could have made them pass. Then again, there were a limited number of teams in need of a closer and of those teams, Stearns had to find one or two who thought K-Rod would continue to pitch as well as last season, and were willing to both take on his contract along with trade a prospect or two.

 

If instead of being a 90mph fastball/changeup specialist, he threw 95-97, i do think he'd have brought a bigger return. I just think there is a bias in general towards closers who get outs via blowing hitters with gas compared to change of speed deception like how K-Rod gets his outs, regardless if the softer throwing one has similar stats.

 

Even for myself simply as a Brewers fan, while i really respect how Rodriguez has managed to transform himself from a power pitching fastball/slider closer to a changeup master so well to where his stats were better lately than in his younger prime years, i still got nervous nearly every time he got behind in the count vs a power hitter. That scary feeling of he'd leave a 90mph fastball over the plate to get absolutely crushed. It's less scary subconsciously when a closer with a 97mph fastball falls behind in the count.

[CheezWizHed]

This is a better return than we got the first time we traded K-Rod...

[pacopete4]

This is a better return than we got the first time we traded K-Rod...

 

Should we try again? lol

[CheezWizHed]

Third time is the charm.

[MrTPlush]

Oh, it has a lot to do with his domestic violence issues because of the new policy instituted by MLB back in August. The owners knew it was coming which is why the Brewers weren't able to trade him in July.

 

[sarcasm]Shoot guys back down while you can. I forgot he was in the war room hearing the negotiations.[/sarcasm]

[Mass Haas]

Catcher Manny Pina getting his swings in down in Venezuela

[Roderick]

So how long can KRod suck for Detroit before he gets released and the Brewers pick him up and he pitches fine? (only half blue)