Who should the Brewers take in the 1st Round

[GagneCY03]

I know this thread is about the Brewers' pick, so I'm going to have to steer it off course.

 

CJ, do you think Nevin Griffith would be there at #20? Also, how do you grade his secondary pitches?

[Past Member]

Colby,

 

No, I was not taking a shot at you, and yes I was aware that you do some work for PGCrosschecker.

 

I do not know if you are aware of this or not, but within the community of amateur baseball, there is an ongoing argument regarding the issue of all star teams/tournaments, travelling teams and their place in the game of baseball vs traditional high school baseball teams. The latter of which I am, and members of my family, are a part of believe that people involved in PG are taking huge short cuts and we are not very fond of them. Now I realize that you write a column for them and are not neccessarily involved in the teams or day to day operations of such groups.

 

I know that you enjoy the game, you know a lot about the game, and for the purposes of this website and forum those are nice qualities to have. Having an opinion and being an authority are not one in the same. And being a fan or a writer or doing work for a baseball website do not necessarily put you "in" the game either.

 

I am willing to leave this be as a difference in opinion between someone who is in the game, and someone who enjoys it. And niether persons opinion is more important than the other.

[colbyjack]

I am willing to leave this be as a difference in opinion between someone who is in the game, and someone who enjoys it.

 

Wow, what a condescending post and comment.

 

I never claimed to be an authority, although I seem to remember you sending me a PM not too long ago in which you told me that you were just a former player and son of a high school ballcoach, and that you would defer your opinion to my own because I was more involved with the game than you were. Your tone has certainly changed.

 

Oh yeah, and just so you know, I do talk to teams, I do talk to scouts and I do speak with scouting directors. I also speak with the players themselves. I attend events in person in which I compare my own notes with scouts in an attempt to learn and get better at assessing talent.

 

Scouts, scouting directors and college recruiters are directly involved with the day-to-day operations of Perfect Game USA. Most of the Perfect Game staff is comprised of former players, scouts, coaches, recruiters, etc. Trust me, I have heard plenty of people share their gripes about Perfect Game, and I have heard that high school teams aren't always thrilled with showcase organizations and traveling teams. However, those complaints never come from the scouts or the recruiters, who, whether you want to believe it or not, use the resources at Perfect Game as much as they can, some teams more than others.

 

And just so you know, there are similar complaints from the scouting community directed towards the high school teams and coaches and how they hurt their individual player's chances by encouraging them not to travel to play with and against the best players in the nation. I have heard this complaint in relationship to legion ball as well. Usually when coaches don't want their players traveling their are selfish intentions involved, as the focus isn't on what is best for the player.

 

Perfect Game was started to help players get recognized, from the biggest names in the nation to the smallest. Their #1 priority is the players themselves, helping them not only get recognized by big-league clubs, but by colleges big and small. Their partnership with Rawnlings has no effect on how they rank or assess players. Baseball America has plenty of similar partnerships, yet it doesn't seem to tarnish their image.

 

I'll tell you what, why don't you tell me specifically the problems you have against Perfect Game and the supposed short-cuts they take and I will be sure to share those with Jerry Ford.

[TooLiveBrew]

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I am willing to leave this be as a difference in opinion between someone who is in the game, and someone who enjoys it. And niether persons opinion is more important than the other.

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Wow, I know you tried to soften the blow with your second sentence, but geez. What an ****** thing to say.

 

You may not be an ******, or you may be one, but that is simply an ****** thing to say. Sorry for jumping in like that, but sheesh!

[splitterpfj]

Bradyo, I don't know if you chose your words poorly, or if you really are having a problem...but that may be the rudest thing I've ever read on this site.

 

I don't know you, and I don't know colbyjack personally either, but I assure you, that man is "in" the game.

 

What's your deal?

[mothershipconnection]

I am willing to leave this be as a difference in opinion between someone who is in the game, and someone who enjoys it.

 

Your arrogance truly knows no bounds.

I used to be a boxer and could have beaten up Max Kellerman, but that doesn't mean I know more about boxing than he does. In fact, I've gotten out of touch and couldn't even name all but the major title holders. Having done something doesn't make you an expert by any means. In my case, I was a big strong kid with a very strong neck and solid head - that doesn't mean I know anything.

[Never Outhustled]

I am willing to leave this be as a difference in opinion between someone who is in the game, and someone who enjoys it.

 

Can I ask, do you have any success in the game? Your posts have been sloppy and filled with mis-used information, those aren't usually qualities that lead to success. Your baseball views are kind of 1970ish, no offense. and not in line with what statistics suggest is true. I think it would add something to your viewpoint if we knew more of your backround.

[Blazer25]

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I do not know if you are aware of this or not, but within the community of amateur baseball, there is an ongoing argument regarding the issue of all star teams/tournaments, travelling teams and their place in the game of baseball vs traditional high school baseball teams.

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Wow dude...nothing like being completely wrong.

 

I'm in the "community of amateur baseball" as you put it and most people I know recognize that PG is the top at what they do.

 

When the scouting directors of most MLB clubs as well as college coaches of all major D1 schools use your information and praise your efforts, you must be doing something right. Perfect Game is doing something right.

 

Baseball America is made up of writers that like baseball and generally have zero scouting experience.

 

Perfect Game is made up of former (and current) pro and college scouts, players, and coaches.

 

Which one is more credible again?

 

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The latter of which I am, and members of my family, are a part of believe that people involved in PG are taking huge short cuts and we are not very fond of them

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A lot of scouts and college coaches that I know won't even involve the HS or Legion coach in the recruiting process anymore. They have come to recognize most of these guys for what they are...ego stroking wannabes who end up hurting the kid more than helping them so they can break their own arm patting themselves on the back at how much they did for "player X".

 

Not all coaches are like this but a number of them seem to think they know more than anyone on Earth when it comes to what's best for kids. They're usually 99% wrong and do a disservice to their players.

 

The good coaches get it...the bad ones rip organizations like Perfect Game because it questions their shaky credibility as an "authority".

[homer]

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Having done something doesn't make you an expert by any means.

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I agree. Sal Bando was a terrific third baseman......and we know what kind of a general manager he turned out to be.

[battlekow]

Kevin Goldstein thinks that Moustakas is the Brewers' target:

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An even more interesting name has been bandied about in Milwaukee. Scouts visiting Chatsworth High in southern California to see sure-fire first round pick Matt Dominguez have walked away even more impressed, at least offensively, with the bat of Mike Moustakas, who is on pace to rewrite parts of the California prep record book with an enormous power surge. Seen by most as a mid first-round pick like his teammate, Milwaukee is reportedly trying to figure out what the bonus expectations will be for Moustakas, who is being advised by "family friend" Scott Boras. By going seventh, Milwaukee is hoping that with a slot price roughly in the $2.25 million range would be enough to get it done.

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[colbyjack]

Thanks for sharing that battlekow, as that appears to be a subscriber based story. That's the first time I've seen the Brewers connected to Moustakas.\

 

EDIT: I meant to add before that if the Brewers are seriously looking at Moustakas, I'm curious if they intend to move him behind the plate. Many scouts have commented in the past that they feel he could succeed there, but I haven't heard that talk this spring.

 

Jim Callis recently picked prep lefty Madison Bumgarner to be the Brewers pick at #7 in his column in the print edition of BA.

[Blazer25]

I hope we take Jarrod Parker, although I doubt he'll be there when we pick.

 

There are HS pitchers that scare me, but this kid isn't one of them.

 

I'd also love it if the Brewers took Yasmani Grandal but he'd be a little bit of a reach at 7.

 

He is IMO the best C prospect avaibable. (not named Matt Wieters)

[colbyjack]

Blazer, do you reallly think Parker will go somewhere 1-6? I know he's shooting up charts this spring (a la Mark Rogers), but I never thought that the Brewers wouldn't even have a chance to draft this kid even if they wanted to.

[fewgoodcards]

you might think i'm crazy, but one of detwiler or moskos is going to be there and would be a very solid pick for the brewers. if scherzer re-enters the draft i will guarantee that one of them will be there.

[colbyjack]

You're not crazy at all, as both Moskos and Detwiler have been tossed around these parts. I agree that if Scherzer re-enters the draft it increases the likelihood of one of those two guys falling to the Brewers pick.

[geothite]

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7 Brewers-J.P. Arencibia, C, Tennessee

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There is no way the Brewers take J.P. Arencibia with the 7th pick.

I think they are going to take a impact bat with the pick.

[Big Reed]

i realize most teams shy away from Scott boras draft prospects. But i thought the brewers have dealt with him in the past on a pretty reasonable basis. I'm curious, have the brewers ever drafted and signed a scott boras client? or have they just dealt with him with players who were already at the major league level?

[foamboy1]

I think that without a second round pick, they may take a shot at a Boras client this season if someone falls to them.

[SoCalBrewfan]

Moustakas is sure intriguing, though BA says he's rocketing up people's boards...is there a question whether he will be there for the Brewers?

 

Without a second rounder they should have spare money in the budget...except that they might spend it all on DFEs as they've got a great crop this year.

[Never Outhustled]

except that they might spend it all on DFEs as they've got a great crop this year.

 

While this years crop is better than most, these guys are still only considered to be roughly 5th round caliber guys, which isn't that expensive. The Brewers sign numerous DFEs every year, and that hasn't effected drafts that did include 2nd rounders.

 

Also, I think Moustakas is nuts to turn down #7 slot money. In case he hasn't realized, the slot money shrinks every year.

He'd really be taking a big gamble by waiting 3 years in hopes that he can get more, despite having less leverage.

[colbyjack]

While this years crop is better than most, these guys are still only considered to be roughly 5th round caliber guys, which isn't that expensive. The Brewers sign numerous DFEs every year, and that hasn't effected drafts that did include 2nd rounders.

 

Haydel could be a supplemental first rounder, which could mean upper six figures. Bryson and Robinson could go in the third to fourth rounds, which could mean an additional million dollar between the two of them. Its not crazy to think that the three of them combined would get roughly $1.5 M, which is a hefty chunk of change.

[Tedaldtada]

Moustakas is sick. Can someone maybe post his season stats for this year? He would be the impact bat the crew could be looking for. In the end though, I want more pitching.

[statman0007]

Count me in the take Wieters and pay the man group. I love catchers that can hit, and I think he's going to be a good one.

[deeswan]

I don't see it due to his reported contract demands, but I would love to see Wieters in a Brewer uniform. BA is projecting Moustakos now. Is it just me or is this draft extremely deep? There seems to be 100 guys who can hit or throw 95 mph, or both.

[GagneCY03]

Moustakas' stats: .549 batting average, 20 HR, 49 RBI in 82 at bats.