Should Khris Davis be traded?

[Austin Tatious]

Davis himself wasn't a high rated prospect I horrid system. Peaked at maybe #8?

 

So to have trade value we must ignore MLB production and worry about how he was rated as a prospect? I have never heard, after 1,000 MLB plate appearances, a players trade value be effected by his prospect ranking. Unless of course you are a big time prospect that still has potential to grow. But to have your prospect ranking negatively effect you well into your MLB career? That just seems unreal.

 

This is a great pet peeve. I am a partner in an international law firm based out of Chicago. We may hire from the top schools but some of these guys are under the severe misunderstanding that their "prospect status" matters after they get in the door. We've got guys from the likes of Northwestern and University of Chicago in their 3rd and 4th year who need a complete kick in the ass and lack ability and need significant improvement. They are in make or break mode but seem to think they made it based on their schooling, which is obviously completely false. As an example, we had a high end Harvard kid who left right before he was going to be fired. Doing well in school only means you did well the first third or quarter of your life. Now, it's the second quarter, guys.

 

It's like prospects. You can be Matt Dominguez and be the number 12 prospect in all of baseball and think that somehow matters in your life and never actually amount to anything. Or Mat Gamel. Or The Olt kid. We can do this all day. The road side is littered with prospects that didn't amount to a hill of beans. It's about production.

[danzig6767]

Yeah, I think this whole premise just kind of falls flat. First, it is kind of silly to argue if you would trade a player you have for another player you already have at the big league level.

Yea, what a bizarre thread for someone to start. Why didn't the original poster just post this in the already active Davis thread vs starting this goofy one with a title talking about trading players we own in both instances?

[brewcrewdue80]

Yeah, I think this whole premise just kind of falls flat. First, it is kind of silly to argue if you would trade a player you have for another player you already have at the big league level.

Yea, what a bizarre thread for someone to start. Why didn't the original poster just post this in the already active Davis thread vs starting this goofy one with a title talking about trading players we own in both instances?

 

 

 

Who would you have connections to? By making it an already Brewers prospects and you're buying with them. I felt opinions would be more harsh. If you're arguing Santana/Hader side. Vs me finding a prospect like Tampa's Daniel Robertson and saying Tampa offers him and former 1st rd pick Mikie Mahtook up for Davis.

 

It becomes easy to fight for Davis because those look like garbage prospects, a top 100 SS prospect that Milwaukee doesn't need. No Pitching.

 

And Tampa considering money and who's playing LF could actually be a decent Khris Davis landing place.

 

That is Tampa's #5 and #15 prospect while Santana and Hader are Brewers #4 and #15 prospects.

 

We're Brewer fans and Tampa's offer is just not enough...I'm sure TPlush wants Blake Snell at minimum. Truth is Tampa's offer is very close to equal to the Santana/Hader package. Partly because that Pedigree type prospect talk. Both of Tampa's selections were end of 1st round picks. Just need a little time/grooming maybe to reach their 1st rd talent potential?

 

But I'm guessing ranking the packages would go Santana/Hader, Davis, and then Robertson/Mahtook and that package isn't even close for Davis while Santana/Hader are an overpay. Both include 1 top 100 prospect for Davis.

[danzig6767]

Yeah, I think this whole premise just kind of falls flat. First, it is kind of silly to argue if you would trade a player you have for another player you already have at the big league level.

Yea, what a bizarre thread for someone to start. Why didn't the original poster just post this in the already active Davis thread vs starting this goofy one with a title talking about trading players we own in both instances?

 

Who would you have connections to? By making it an already Brewers prospects and you're buying with them. I felt opinions would be more harsh. If you're arguing Santana/Hader side. Vs me finding a prospect like Tampa's Daniel Robertson and saying Tampa offers him and former 1st rd pick Mikie Mahtook up for Davis.

 

It becomes easy to fight for Davis because those look like garbage prospects, a top 100 SS prospect that Milwaukee doesn't need. No Pitching.

 

And Tampa considering money and who's playing LF could actually be a decent Khris Davis landing place.

 

That is Tampa's #5 and #15 prospect while Santana and Hader are Brewers #4 and #15 prospects.

 

We're Brewer fans and Tampa's offer is just not enough...I'm sure TPlush wants Blake Snell at minimum. Truth is Tampa's offer is very close to equal to the Santana/Hader package. Partly because that Pedigree type prospect talk. Both of Tampa's selections were end of 1st round picks. Just need a little time/grooming maybe to reach their 1st rd talent potential?

 

But I'm guessing ranking the packages would go Santana/Hader, Davis, and then Robertson/Mahtook and that package isn't even close for Davis while Santana/Hader are an overpay. Both include 1 top 100 prospect for Davis.

Why start a new thread vs just posting this in the Davis thread instead?

 

As for what Davis is truly worth, it's impossible to know unless one of us were actually a real GM and shopped Davis around the league for prospects. You think he's worth less than others here do. That happens with all kinds of players.

 

Every team would place their own value in Davis and if some were interested, the amount they'd offer in return would not only vary, what the Brewers thought of players offered could easily differ from what the team offering thought of those prospects.

 

That's why for as much fun as it is for fans to try and come up with pretend trades for players, the reality is that we don't really know how exactly other teams view the value of our players. Everyone is purely guessing and nothing more.

[clancyphile]

TEX gets:

OF Khris Davis (from MIL)

LHP Cameron Booser (from MIN)

 

MIL gets:

OF/3B/SS Ryan Cordell (from TEX)

OF/1B Max Kepler (from MIN)

C Jose Trevino (from TEX)

 

MIN gets:

SS Jake Gatewood (from MIL)

LHP Neal Cotts (from MIL)

 

Thoughts?

[MrTPlush]

That is not very good value for Khris Davis...and that is before considering you are throwing Gatewood away too.

[TheCrew07]

Why does MIN want Gatewood? They already have an improving Nick Gordon.

[trwi7]

Doubt Minnesota gives up Kepler for a reliever and a prospect that's miles away.

[adambr2]

How is Davis even clearing waivers? 29 teams aren't going to just let a minimum salary .800 OPS corner outfielder just pass through.

[brewmann04]

so we are giving up Gatwood a year after he was drafted.

[foamboy1]

No way Davis would clear waivers with his age and contract situation.

 

But given the glut of OF'ers in our system that will be part of the future rebuild, I would expect Davis to be dealt as early as this offseason - or perhaps the following offseason.

[igor67]

I'm on record of not being opposed to trading Davis, but we should all be prepared for him to blow up where ever he goes. He added the walks back to his game throughout the year and has started to get back in the grove hitting the HRs as well. It's not difficult to imagine him putting together some really good years, a classic short peak kind of player.

[clancyphile]

so we are giving up Gatwood a year after he was drafted.

 

Between Arcia, Lara, Rivera, and Iskenderian, why not deal Gatewood? The Brewers are still getting a SS/3B in return (Cordell), and if Gatewood and some package (Cotts? K-Rod?) nets Kepler... that gives the Brewers a first baseman and left-handed bat.

[MrTPlush]

so we are giving up Gatwood a year after he was drafted.

 

Between Arcia, Lara, Rivera, and Iskenderian, why not deal Gatewood? The Brewers are still getting a SS/3B in return (Cordell), and if Gatewood and some package (Cotts? K-Rod?) nets Kepler... that gives the Brewers a first baseman and left-handed bat.

 

Because out of all those players Gatewood is one of the better possibilities at 3B. Lara could be a possibility too, but he has to add power which is a total mystery at this point...could come and might never materialize. We don't have a big logjam at SS like many tend to think. Rivera is not a starter while Iskenderian is a college hitter doing well in rookie ball as would be expected. The other two are likely to end up at 3B so I would say we are balanced not to mention a lot of these guys are in the low minors. Why rush to trade away depth? Why not wait to see if Arcia is actually good and if these guys can actually stick at SS?

 

EDIT: Just saw Iskenderian is a 2B so add that to another reason why this doesn't sound like a good idea. Iskenderian is the only one with a future at 2B(Rivera could...but he doesn't seem like a future starter).

[JohnBriggs12]

Have the Brewers given any thought to trying Davis in CF? Seems to me he's got good enough speed and instincts in the OF to play there. My gosh Peterson is no gazelle and he's playing there now. He's got a weak arm sure, but it's not like there have never been guys who played CF that didn't throw it well, and if you surrounded him in the corners with Braun and Santana, then at least 2/3 of the OF would have plus arms. Plus Davis at least throws it to the right place most of the time. Having an OF of Braun, Davis, and Santana is pretty appealing offensively if you keep Lind around for another season or at least until next year's deadline to keep some LH punch in the lineup. Then after 2016, they can move Braun to 1B, open up CF to the lefty hitting Phillips, and Davis back to LF? Of course you can always still trade him too if you want/need to find a place for Roache, Taylor or Reed.

 

Davis trade idea: Davis, Maldonado, and an arm to Phils for Cody Asche (who the Brewers would move back to 3B) and switch hitting catcher Andrew Knapp?

[MrTPlush]

First of all Shane Peterson should not really be playing CF. Not saying he is bad or anything, but probably not a good example. He would be at a corner position if he could get ABs there.

 

Let's remember LF is 344ft. while CF is 400ft. That is a BIG difference. You can pretty much hide Davis' arm in LF, but in CF anything over his head and to the wall will score anyone from 1st. His poor arm would be very noticeable in CF.

[MNBrew]

First of all Shane Peterson should not really be playing CF. Not saying he is bad or anything, but probably not a good example. He would be at a corner position if he could get ABs there.

 

Let's remember LF is 344ft. while CF is 400ft. That is a BIG difference. You can pretty much hide Davis' arm in LF, but in CF anything over his head and to the wall will score anyone from 1st. His poor arm would be very noticeable in CF.

^ This is exactly why the Brewers won't even consider him in CF. They already know his arm is SO limited that they moved their best player, Ryan Braun, from LF where he was pretty darn solid to RF to make room for Davis to play the only spot in the OF practical for his defensive limitations. Yeah, he covers ground okay and isn't bad with the glove. But that arm...

[JohnBriggs12]

First of all Shane Peterson should not really be playing CF. Not saying he is bad or anything, but probably not a good example. He would be at a corner position if he could get ABs there.

 

Let's remember LF is 344ft. while CF is 400ft. That is a BIG difference. You can pretty much hide Davis' arm in LF, but in CF anything over his head and to the wall will score anyone from 1st. His poor arm would be very noticeable in CF.

^ This is exactly why the Brewers won't even consider him in CF. They already know his arm is SO limited that they moved their best player, Ryan Braun, from LF where he was pretty darn solid to RF to make room for Davis to play the only spot in the OF practical for his defensive limitations. Yeah, he covers ground okay and isn't bad with the glove. But that arm...

 

Anything hit over any CF's head scores runners from first anyway regardless of arm strength of the CF unless the runner has to hold to see if it will be caught. In that case, with a weaker armed CF, you have the relay man out a bit farther.

 

The Brewers didn't consider him for CF before because they had a gold glove guy there already in Gomez and arm strength is more critical in RF than CF to prevent base runners from going from 1st to 3rd on singles. That decision, Braun to RF, Davis to LF was made on a team that for the most part was complete so it's not really relevant to the situation now. With CF now occupied by a career minor league LF/1B and/or a defensive specialist ala Schafer or Wren, and the closest to ready major league bat, also a corner OF in Santana, it's at least worth considering. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's perfect. But having Braun and Santana, both of whom have RF arms manning the corners, at least the OF as a whole wouldn't slip as much. Peterson in CF and Davis in LF is far from ideal too.

[clancyphile]

First of all Shane Peterson should not really be playing CF. Not saying he is bad or anything, but probably not a good example. He would be at a corner position if he could get ABs there.

 

Let's remember LF is 344ft. while CF is 400ft. That is a BIG difference. You can pretty much hide Davis' arm in LF, but in CF anything over his head and to the wall will score anyone from 1st. His poor arm would be very noticeable in CF.

^ This is exactly why the Brewers won't even consider him in CF. They already know his arm is SO limited that they moved their best player, Ryan Braun, from LF where he was pretty darn solid to RF to make room for Davis to play the only spot in the OF practical for his defensive limitations. Yeah, he covers ground okay and isn't bad with the glove. But that arm...

 

Anything hit over any CF's head scores runners from first anyway regardless of arm strength of the CF unless the runner has to hold to see if it will be caught. In that case, with a weaker armed CF, you have the relay man out a bit farther.

 

The Brewers didn't consider him for CF before because they had a gold glove guy there already in Gomez and arm strength is more critical in RF than CF to prevent base runners from going from 1st to 3rd on singles. That decision, Braun to RF, Davis to LF was made on a team that for the most part was complete so it's not really relevant to the situation now. With CF now occupied by a career minor league LF/1B and/or a defensive specialist ala Schafer or Wren, and the closest to ready major league bat, also a corner OF in Santana, it's at least worth considering. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it's perfect. But having Braun and Santana, both of whom have RF arms manning the corners, at least the OF as a whole wouldn't slip as much. Peterson in CF and Davis in LF is far from ideal too.

 

I'd be okay with trying Davis in center if there weren't options like Michael Reed available. Reed's played some center, and might be a better option there than even Shane Peterson.

[trwi7]

Davis in center would be like Braun at 3rd.

[jerichoholicninja]

Let's put some bad hitting middle infielders at first base while we're at it.

[danzig6767]

Davis in center would be like Braun at 3rd.

Yea, Davis has decent enough range in left, but that's the only position he can play.

 

One rule which i think everyone should follow/agree on is that the two positions which a team should never try moving mediocre defenders into are shortstop and centerfield.

 

Sure, i can get say trying to move a poor range SS to secondbase. See if a good hitting but a clearly below average thirdbaseman can cut it at first. Try and see if a struggling corner infielder can make the move to a corner outfield spot so long as that guy has athletic ability, as happened with Braun.

 

When it comes to center and shortstop though, these are to important of defensive positions to bother even wasting time thinking about moving guys over who lack the athletic gifts and innate instincts needed to avoid being a liability at such key positions. A guy playing either of those two positions who are well below average defensively will have to be nearly elite offensively just to come out around net even overall, but then you'd be wasting that player's hitting gift.

[MNBrew]

Re: Davis in CF, I think it comes to this:

 

The Brewers know far more about this than any of us do, and if they thought there was any chance he might work out in CF, they'd have already put him in there.

 

In other words, there are obviously significant and compelling reasons the only OF position at which they'll play him is LF.

 

Taking it a step further, esp. for those who like to stoke this finally-dying fire (perhaps more BF.net-convincing terms), at least Mark Kotsay had previously played CF and for a time had proven he was actually capable of doing so. . . . Given that, the fact that they absolutely won't put Davis anywhere other than LF tells me all I need to know.

[reillymcshane]

Let's put some bad hitting middle infielders at first base while we're at it.

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[jerichoholicninja]

Let's put some bad hitting middle infielders at first base while we're at it.

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