Should Khris Davis be traded?

[brewcrewdue80]

Moss has 15HRs this season. Davis will be lucky to reach that for a total. This after 25/30 HR seasons. Vs Davis' less 22HRs max to this point. Moss also came with versatility something Davis has none of. Moss also happened to be the best answer for a team who's only reason to acquire him was because of injuries and Moss fills both positions of need. Davis will never have that.

Also Moss can be controlled through 2017 he's not a half season rental.

Lefty bat vs Righty.

 

Doesn't compare. Unless we keep Davis for the rest of this season/all of next season and then trade him in 2017 and Davis hits 20+HRs and finds versatility along the way.

[MrTPlush]

Why do you keep bringing up Davis' HR total like it is some kind of golden ticket? Khris Davis was injured for a large portion of the year...obviously his total HR numbers are going to be lower than a guy who has 130 more at bats. Khris Davis has a higher OPS than Moss...which is probably a better stat to go by. Brandon Moss has been worse than Davis overall this year and is 31...4 years older than Davis. While he is slightly versatile that doesn't make him worth an up and coming Top 100 prospect and Davis worth nothing.

[3and2Fastball]

I'm willing to bet one/two of he, Reed, Phillips, Roache, Coulter, etc, will be ready to play as well or better than Khris by the time this team is winning games again in 17/18.

 

I sure hope they'll be significantly better. We need much more production out of LF (at least an .800 OPS in my opinion) if we are going to be a contending team

 

Khris Davis is not that bad defensively...he has a weak arm, but other than that he plays respectable defense. Everyone thinks he is bad because it is so easy to see a weak arm. However no one seems to care about the pathetic reaction time or routes Braun takes in RF. His defense overall is just as bad or worse as Davis'.

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I agree with that

[adambr2]

Nah. He's worth more to us right now than he's worth in a trade. Right now he's a cheap serviceable corner outfield option for a rebuilding club. If he starts breaking out in a year or two when he's in his arbitration years and Phillips and Santana are ready to be every day players, by all means revisit this.

[brewcrewdue80]

Why do you keep bringing up Davis' HR total like it is some kind of golden ticket? Khris Davis was injured for a large portion of the year...obviously his total HR numbers are going to be lower than a guy who has 130 more at bats. Khris Davis has a higher OPS than Moss...which is probably a better stat to go by. Brandon Moss has been worse than Davis overall this year and is 31...4 years older than Davis. While he is slightly versatile that doesn't make him worth an up and coming Top 100 prospect and Davis worth nothing.

 

Why am I bringing it up? What other redeeming factor does Davis have to go by? Him having 20+ HR potential is it. So I bring it up. Davis' Slg pct is down to a little above .400. Coincides with less HRs. His stats don't cut it for a Corner OF barely achieving .700OPS. Gomez or Lucroy can speak up about defense on their down years. Davis cannot. And comparing Moss' year to Davis as Moss being worse, Moss went .777 last year(above Davis) .859 the year before and .954. There's a longer track record of Moss playing to a better stretch than Davis. The other end is I think StL overpaid for Moss. They did so due to their stressing need to acquire him. He's playing 1b. An area as I mentioned in the Lucroy thread that as a collective the drop off happens quickly. Brandon Belt is 16th in OPS with over 200PAs for 1b at .822. #20 Yonder Alonso at .737

16th in the OF is at .834 20 at .828. Davis? 58th at .734 right where the 20th best 1b is around.

 

Moss simply has more value by the lack of quality at the position he plays. The OPS Davis resides at doesn't separate him from the "Pack"

 

Just explain to me the positives that make Davis worthy of a top 100 prospect.

[MrTPlush]

I already explained the positives. If you failed to read my post before returning to your rant I apologize.

[igor67]

I have no problem as previously stated trading Davis, but it absolutely is worth considering recognizing that one does not dump players after a couple of hundred mediocre ABs. Between a high BABIP and the possibility that with experience he refines his game a bit even in today's environment he could threaten a .900 OPS in a good year, at which point he becomes extremely valuable because he has done enough before in the majors and the minors to support it being development and not just a fluke.

[torts]

2 hrs and 6 rbis??? TRADE HIM!!!!!

[LouisEly]

I don't know if Davis should be traded, but someone needs to be traded. If you go by the list on Miller Park Prospects, of the Brewers top 21 prospects, nine are pitchers and 12 are position players. Of the 12 position players, nine are OF. That is on top of Davis, Peterson, and Braun, and it's unlikely that Braun is going anywhere. As for moving someone to 1B, Davis has the much worse arm between he and Braun, but at 5'10" he won't have the reach to get slightly errant throws. Add this to Braun's thumb/contract and being four years older than Davis, and it's likely Braun is the one ending up at 1B.

 

In a couple of years you are potentially looking at an OF of Phillips/Santana/Reed/Taylor/Roache. With Davis being 28 next season, I think the best thing is for him to go on (continue) a hot streak through the end of the year and then move him. Santana has little left to prove in the minors; set him up for success by occasionally starting Schafer or Wren against tough RHP. That being said, if someone wants to overpay for Santana and give us stud upper-level LH 3B, C, or 1B prospects, I'd be fine with that too.

 

And while I believe in BPA to an extent, given the number of young OF in the system, if the Brewers draft an OF with their #1 pick next year he better be the next Mike Trout, Bryce Harper, or Barry Bonds. They need to invest in a #1 starter or the next Buster Posey.

[Boomer5]

There's still plenty of trading to go. Luc for sure. Possibly Lind them Braun.

 

The system is top 15 for sure now and will be top 10 by June 2016 with the next draft.

[SRB]

There's still plenty of trading to go. Luc for sure. Possibly Lind them Braun.

 

The system is top 15 for sure now and will be top 10 by June 2016 with the next draft.

 

John Manuel suggested we have already moved into the top 5/10 recently. Factor in a top-3 draft pick in 2016, possible trades of Lucroy/Lind/Kh Davis, and breakouts from some of our recent high-risk teenagers (Medeiros, Gatewood, Harrison, Lara), and we could be in the running for best system in baseball in not too long.

[Boomer5]

There's still plenty of trading to go. Luc for sure. Possibly Lind them Braun.

 

The system is top 15 for sure now and will be top 10 by June 2016 with the next draft.

 

John Manuel suggested we have already moved into the top 5/10 recently. Factor in a top-3 draft pick in 2016, possible trades of Lucroy/Lind/Kh Davis, and breakouts from some of our recent high-risk teenagers (Medeiros, Gatewood, Harrison, Lara), and we could be in the running for best system in baseball in not too long.

 

Agreed. The Luc trade plus the 2016 draft pick will go a long towards giving an elite system. I'm really impressed by the 2015 guys both from trades and the draft.

[danzig6767]

I have no problem as previously stated trading Davis, but it absolutely is worth considering recognizing that one does not dump players after a couple of hundred mediocre ABs. Between a high BABIP and the possibility that with experience he refines his game a bit even in today's environment he could threaten a .900 OPS in a good year, at which point he becomes extremely valuable because he has done enough before in the majors and the minors to support it being development and not just a fluke.

Another nice sign is that Davis in only 220 at bats has nearly as many walks already (28) as he had in 500 at bats last year with just 32 walks.

 

With 11 home runs now, he's hitting them at a rate of roughly 25 had he gotten 500 at bats. His .786 OPS is 3rd best on the team and 4th best had Parra not been traded. Some people for whatever reason think he's really only a platoon bat, but his stats over his big league career so far show that he actually hits righties better than lefties.

 

Davis is already 28, so he older than the norm for a player in only his 3rd big league season. That said, he has a career .787 OPS over 271 games, right where his OPS sits this season. Odds are that's right around where he projects going forward, in that .750-.825ish range as can fluctuate from year to year for many players.

 

These next few seasons should be his prime years though and thus if i was another team with a real need for some power in leftfield next year and would prefer a financially cheap guy, i'd view Davis as a reasonably appealing option, depending on what the Brewers asked for in return. He tends to be streaky, but give Davis 500-550 at bats, i'd bet that he finishes around 25 homers, is in that .775-.800 OPS range and maybe a bit higher if he keeps walking at this improved rate. Given he'll be very cheap next season and under team control for three years, there is value in production like that without having to fork out a lot of money so that cash could be spent elsewhere.

[danzig6767]

 

Why? He's such a negative Defensively. His highest HR total is 22 for the full season last year. And sits at 7 now this year. His BA from .244(below ML avg) to .230(even further below) Below Defense. Below BA. What does he provide that is remotely above average? Unless he goes on a HR tear to get above 20HRs again on this season, He's a Below average player. precisely a reason along with Gennett that they weren't top 100 ranked prospects. Why can he command one? Honestly? There isn't one thing of Davis on paper that sticks out that says anything but average at best. If he were a prospect right now in the Brewers Minors where are you ranking him? Probably 23rd ahead of Kyle Wren from what I know. Though 15th-23rd would seem to fit.

Come on man, try being more realistic. Wren will be extremely lucky to ever step foot in a real major league game, much less have a reasonably long MLB career as Davis likely will. Same for most prospects in the range of Wren, so Davis has plenty more value than that.

 

He certainly has his share of flaws, but a guy who can post a career .787 OPS over three seasons and who is currently very cheap, there is value in that for for some big league clubs. The money aspect can't just be ignored given money factors into every decision a team makes and the value a player has in relation to the paycheck. If a team can get roughly league average production out of a player making pocket change, it adds to that player's value.

 

One problem the Brewers obviously could face though if they shopped Davis in the offseason is that he really can only play left because of his arm. That limits potential suitors of teams who may already have a guy in left who shouldn't be moved to right either, as Davis can't be.

 

There easily could be a potential match this offseason if hypothetically the Brewers wanted to give Santana the job in left and also a power needy team with limited funds asked about Davis. A prospect in the 50-100ish range wouldn't be some major overpay for a proven major league player in his likely prime years who will make make table scraps next season and under team control for three seasons.

[MrTPlush]

Khris Davis is also just starting to enter his prime. For a lot of players they hit about 27 years old and that's when they take off. For example Braun/Pujols both had their best years between 27-30. On a more comparable(not elite level) you have Corey Hart who had his two best years at 28-29. So it isn't crazy to think Khris Davis will improve and have better stats as a lot of players will at this time. Trading Khris Davis in his highest production years will net a big haul and I would be all for it. However, I think this franchise has aspirations of competing in 2017 and I don't see them trading away Davis. They would have to be firm believers in Santana to make such a trade.

[JohnBriggs12]

Those expecting a Lucroy trade are going to be disappointed. His trade value is way, way, down. With two more years of cheap control, there's plenty of time for him to re-establish it.

 

As for Davis, power is in more demand than ever and this is a guy with a career .480 slugging percentage who's not even arby eligible for another year. There's plenty of value there, and unlike the case with Lucroy, there's talent ready to replace him.

[MrTPlush]

Those expecting a Lucroy trade are going to be disappointed. His trade value is way, way, down.

 

Way way down? No

Way down? No

Down? Maybe

 

One down year is not going to tank value. Greinke sported a 4.17ERA with drastically worse numbers than his prior year, but yet we still coughed up a package like he was a Cy Young. Also important to note before 2010 Greinke really was not that good. So despite only one stellar year he still garnered that mega deal.

 

Lucroy has a good track record and it won't tank his price like he is a .240 1 WAR hitter. Maybe teams don't think he is a 6 WAR hitter, but he still is a solid 3.5 WAR type guy. Probably better to trade him now before he starts turning in another sub par season.

[Boomer5]

Those expecting a Lucroy trade are going to be disappointed. His trade value is way, way, down.

 

Way way down? No

Way down? No

Down? Maybe

 

One down year is not going to tank value. Greinke sported a 4.17ERA with drastically worse numbers than his prior year, but yet we still coughed up a package like he was a Cy Young. Also important to note before 2010 Greinke really was not that good. So despite only one stellar year he still garnered that mega deal.

 

Lucroy has a good track record and it won't tank his price like he is a .240 1 WAR hitter. Maybe teams don't think he is a 6 WAR hitter, but he still is a solid 3.5 WAR type guy. Probably better to trade him now before he starts turning in another sub par season.

 

Agreed. Its very rare that a catcher of his ability hits the trade market. There will be plenty of offers.

 

Gomez in an off year, brought us Phillips +++

 

Luc would bring a similar package.

[Bnowell4evr]

I would try to shop Khris Davis for a 3rd basemen this offseason. I don't know if the club will have any takers but he seems like the perfect piece to dangle with Domingo Santana ready to play.

[brewcrewdue80]

Are we thrilled with this move? Is the franchise better getting Davis for the next 4seasons giving up Santana and Hader?

 

Mods I suggest keeping this it's own topic to discuss for next week before combining in to Davis thread.

 

 

This is where I'm at in talking Davis is worth a top 100prospect+.

 

So this trade just happened. Brewers win or lose?

Would you honestly be happy giving away that package to acquire Davis?

[mlloyd10]

Umm, what?

[jerichoholicninja]

Um, what are you talking about?

[And That]

If you're saying would we hypothetically trade Khris Davis for Santana and Hader? Yes, absolutely.

[brewcrewdue80]

Sorry if I didn't come away well, probably still wont. In the Davis should be traded thread, I said Davis would net us a Kyle Wren type return. To which I've heard he'd net at least 1 top 100 prospect plus in return.

 

So Hypothetically, since Santana is a #85 prospect in baseball and Josh Hader being a #4 potential.

 

I'm putting that trade then for Khris Davis together and wanting to know now is Khris Davis worth Santana and Hader? The Brewers just traded them to acquire Davis to play LF. Aren't you thrilled over this trade? Or did the Brewers Overpay to acquire Davis' HR bat and Defense in LF?

 

It only cost a #85 prospect and a SP with #4 type regards. Surely the Brewers are better with Davis than parting with these 2?

[MNBrew]

It's an off-topic aside, but to establish context for the statement that follows... I don't get why people think Kyle Wren's anything of a prospect. He doesn't strike me as being a whole lot different than how Logan Schafer or even Lee Haydel profiled 5-6 years ago. I think the only real appeal of Kyle Wren at this point is that he's still new-ish to the organization. If he'd been here all along like Schafer has been or Haydel (at the time) had been, his production & ceiling would've been dissected to the point that few valued him for little beyond sentimental reasons.

 

So to go back to BCD80's original premise, I think Khris Davis is worth a whole lot more than Lee Haydel or Logan Schafer.

 

I think this whole thread would've made much more sense if you'd just laid it out as a "Hypothetical: Would you trade Khris Davis for assets of the value of Santana & Hader?" Everything else about how you're phrasing it is still confusing because you're essentially still advancing a proposal of trading Brewer "property" for other Brewer "properties" . . . and phrased the thread title as if it's actually happened.