Gomez not traded/Flores cries/Alderson angry/Haudricourt confused/Melvin nonplussed/Gomez=Not Injured/Scott Boras MAD/Mets are lying liars

[Patrick425]

LouisEly, are you saying that you don't believe the deal is dead?? Not only did I read it on the internet, but I have seen quotes from both GMs saying that the deal is dead as well as a video of Alderson talking to the press stating that the deal is dead.

[StearnsFTW]

Flores doesn't improve the 2016 team? Nonsense.

 

My guess is you'll be underwhelmed by what they do end up with.

 

So most people on here basically say Segura is 'replacement level' and really not good. Yet Flores improves the team? Only thing it helps is to be a 'replacement level' player at 3B through the next couple crap years instead of whatever else we have. Really could get about the same from Sardinas and not have to give up our best asset.

 

If there is concern on Gomez's hip and not great play this year. Hold him, let him get healthy and/or play well the last couple months and trade him in the offseason. Need to get more back than a TJ pitcher and a middling IF, which we already have a few. If he was a FA this year then yea take what you can get but there is no rush right now.

 

Well, Flores (at 3b or 2b) is likely to be better than Segura. He's just a better hitter. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that a 23 year old player who raked as a too-young-for-his-level minor leaguer could improve is it? He's oozing potential offensively and if he can handle short at all, he should be able to handle 3b adequately.

[Boomer5]

Well, Flores (at 3b or 2b) is likely to be better than Segura. He's just a better hitter. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that a 23 year old player who raked as a too-young-for-his-level minor leaguer could improve is it? He's oozing potential offensively and if he can handle short at all, he should be able to handle 3b adequately

 

Those are guys you take for lesser players than Gomez. Gomez was the guy that was going to help bring the Brewers back a package that would bring us back to elite status.

 

The reality is Flores profiles a whole lot closer to Yuni than Miggy. He would almost certainly become this boards (and correctly so) most frustrating player to watch. Yes, he is 23, and yes he was a top 100 prospect. Yes, he will play in the majors. So ends the positives though.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/florewi01.shtml

 

I get the Wheeler love and I was happy to have him, though he isn't a sure thing due to TJ, rolling control clock, and his walks. Flores was picked because he fills a hole at 3B at the major league level, and those are trades that you make if you want to be mediocre.

[FVBrewerFan]

I heard Melvin was supposed to be on WTMJ this morning, did anyone hear the interview?

[StearnsFTW]

Well, Flores (at 3b or 2b) is likely to be better than Segura. He's just a better hitter. And it's not out of the realm of possibility that a 23 year old player who raked as a too-young-for-his-level minor leaguer could improve is it? He's oozing potential offensively and if he can handle short at all, he should be able to handle 3b adequately

 

Those are guys you take for lesser players than Gomez. Gomez was the guy that was going to help bring the Brewers back a package that would bring us back to elite status.

 

The reality is Flores profiles a whole lot closer to Yuni than Miggy. He would almost certainly become this boards (and correctly so) most frustrating player to watch. Yes, he is 23, and yes he was a top 100 prospect. Yes, he will play in the majors. So ends the positives though.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/florewi01.shtml

 

I get the Wheeler love and I was happy to have him, though he isn't a sure thing due to TJ, rolling control clock, and his walks. Flores was picked because he fills a hole at 3B at the major league level, and those are trades that you make if you want to be mediocre.

 

Lol. He profiles closer to Yuni than Miggy huh? Wow. Way to go out on a limb.

 

His power potential makes him an intriguing 3b candidate. This was an excellent trade and I'm sorry it fell through. Wheeler obviously being the bigger part of it.

[LouisEly]

LouisEly, are you saying that you don't believe the deal is dead?? Not only did I read it on the internet, but I have seen quotes from both GMs saying that the deal is dead as well as a video of Alderson talking to the press stating that the deal is dead.

Other way around. People thought there was a deal just because it was reported by someone on the web/social media, and not announced.

[tmwiese55]

So he has potential and Segura doesn't? they're one year apart in age. He's better now? he has a .281 obp, worse than the main thing Segura gets ripped for. The guy has been up for 2.5 years and never an OBP over .285. The only difference is power potential, most people rip on our management for getting so many power guys with low contact/obp guys, that's what he looks like. I didn't look at his K rate but he looks like low obp but some power for an infielder, and he's probably more capable of playing 3B than Segura. I guess if I was doing a straight up trade of the two I'd probably take a flyer on Flores over Segura the chance that he can improve his avg/obp, whereas Segura probably is what he is at this point. But it's pretty debatable and in this trade we'd be giving up one of the best players baseball the last two years. Gotta have more than a so/so IF prospect back and pitcher on TJ.

[BillScottCanRake]

Mets will now offer Flores and bonilla's remain contract.

 

There were many great comments, but I particularly enjoyed this one. Well done.

[Patrick425]

LouisEly, are you saying that you don't believe the deal is dead?? Not only did I read it on the internet, but I have seen quotes from both GMs saying that the deal is dead as well as a video of Alderson talking to the press stating that the deal is dead.

Other way around. People thought there was a deal just because it was reported by someone on the web/social media, and not announced.

 

Ahhh, I get it. Yeah, ok, I'm a little slow sometimes.

[brwrsfan]

Anyone else starting to get concerned that we waited too long, particularly on Parra? Other teams are filling holes, my teams are now selling and yet we're still sitting here having done nothing other than trade Ramirez.

 

I'll wait to judge until after the deadline, but to this point, DM sure seems to be blowing this.

[clancyphile]

So he has potential and Segura doesn't? they're one year apart in age. He's better now? he has a .281 obp, worse than the main thing Segura gets ripped for. The guy has been up for 2.5 years and never an OBP over .285. The only difference is power potential, most people rip on our management for getting so many power guys with low contact/obp guys, that's what he looks like. I didn't look at his K rate but he looks like low obp but some power for an infielder, and he's probably more capable of playing 3B than Segura. I guess if I was doing a straight up trade of the two I'd probably take a flyer on Flores over Segura the chance that he can improve his avg/obp, whereas Segura probably is what he is at this point. But it's pretty debatable and in this trade we'd be giving up one of the best players baseball the last two years. Gotta have more than a so/so IF prospect back and pitcher on TJ.

 

Flores, I didn't mind... but Wheeler would have made the deal a no-go.

 

I'd have wanted Michael Fulmer and Gabriel Ynoa instead.

[BrewCrewForever]

I was kind of excited to get Wheeler. Dude has ace stuff, of course after TJ surgery no guarantee but seems these days most guys come back fine from it.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Anyone else starting to get concerned that we waited too long, particularly on Parra? Other teams are filling holes, my teams are now selling and yet we're still sitting here having done nothing other than trade Ramirez.

 

I'll wait to judge until after the deadline, but to this point, DM sure seems to be blowing this.

 

 

I think .. yeah, that a lot of people get the sense that Melvin is (and always has) been the type of guy to wait, and wait, and wait, and wait to try to get the best deal possible when he's dealing talent for prospects. It's probably bitten him in the ass many times.

[MrTPlush]

Doug Melvin confident nothing wrong with the hip on Carlos Gomez. MRI weeks back wasn't even of his hip.

[Boomer5]

Joel Sherman's tweets say Melvin confirms it was the Mets that backed out. Says there is nothing wrong with his hip but Mets were cautious due to money.

 

Melvin said #Brewers will "regroup" tmrw to see if they can find another trade for Gomez, or decide to just keep him

[MrTPlush]

Mets wanted us to eat money on a absolute bargain contract? Wow talk about being cheap.

 

I think the Mets doctors are idiots(very possible) or the Mets got cold feet.

 

I truly believe there is nothing serious enough to make you overly concerned with Gomez.

[Point Beer Is Best]

Joel Sherman's tweets say Melvin confirms it was the Mets that backed out. Says there is nothing wrong with his hip but Mets were cautious due to money.

 

Melvin said #Brewers will "regroup" tmrw to see if they can find another trade for Gomez, or decide to just keep him

 

Yeah, they wanted the Brewers to eat some of Gomez's contract and/or take Lagares back (who's owed some $$) instead of Flores. That's probably where the rumors of Melvin wanting one of the "Big Four" came from, I would guess. Melvin said the MRI the Mets looked at weren't even up of his hip.

 

So ultimately they realized what their budget for OF was going to look like in '16 and pulled some crap about having a medical issue. Which is a crappy way to get out of an agreed-upon deal, but also it poisons the perceived value of Gomez.

[Boomer5]

Tom ‏@Haudricourt 55s55 seconds ago

The more details I get on nixed Gomez trade, the more it sounds as if it became more financial matter than medical matter. Anyone surprised?

[jjfanec]

Joel Sherman's tweets say Melvin confirms it was the Mets that backed out. Says there is nothing wrong with his hip but Mets were cautious due to money.

 

Melvin said #Brewers will "regroup" tmrw to see if they can find another trade for Gomez, or decide to just keep him

 

Yeah, they wanted the Brewers to eat some of Gomez's contract and/or take Lagares back (who's owed some $$) instead of Flores. That's probably where the rumors of Melvin wanting one of the "Big Four" came from, I would guess. Melvin said the MRI the Mets looked at weren't even up of his hip.

 

So ultimately they realized what their budget for OF was going to look like in '16 and pulled some crap about having a medical issue. Which is a crappy way to get out of an agreed-upon deal, but also it poisons the perceived value of Gomez.

 

The Mets are still paying Bobby Bonilla and they are asking the Brewers to pay some of a bargain contract for Gomez? Thanks but no thanks

[Boomer5]

Joel Sherman's tweets say Melvin confirms it was the Mets that backed out. Says there is nothing wrong with his hip but Mets were cautious due to money.

 

Melvin said #Brewers will "regroup" tmrw to see if they can find another trade for Gomez, or decide to just keep him

 

Yeah, they wanted the Brewers to eat some of Gomez's contract and/or take Lagares back (who's owed some $$) instead of Flores. That's probably where the rumors of Melvin wanting one of the "Big Four" came from, I would guess. Melvin said the MRI the Mets looked at weren't even up of his hip.

 

So ultimately they realized what their budget for OF was going to look like in '16 and pulled some crap about having a medical issue. Which is a crappy way to get out of an agreed-upon deal, but also it poisons the perceived value of Gomez.

 

I have a feeling the Mets are widely known as buffoons so we should be ok. Call the Indians and get Kaminsky and Carrasco and one of their prized OF's and move on.

[Bombers]

What sucks is this diminishes value of Gomez - whether the medical issue is true or isn't

[jjfanec]

What sucks is this diminishes value of Gomez - whether the medical issue is true or isn't

 

No it really doesnt. Other teams are not stupid. If they want Gomez they are not going to let a pr stunt keep them from going after him. It only diminishes his value to the general sports fans. GMs may try to use it as leverage but if more than one team is involved that leverage gets tossed out the window

[MrTPlush]

I bet Alderson felt pressure to get a big bat and got it despite the money. Once the owner got wind he said no way we are not doing that so they came up with BS medical complaints.

 

It is crazy, but right now it sounds very real.

[fondybrewfan]

If the Mets are that dead broke that they can't afford a good player like Gomez on a reasonable contract then they are a complete mess. Sooner or later it will come out that Wilpon killed the deal. That might explain why the GM sounded so pissed; he got the rug pulled out from under him. Somehow the Mets think they are going to find a good offensive player that costs even less than Gomez that won't cost them any good players. Good luck with that

[dacrew101]

Well we still have Parra / Lind / Gomez / K Rod / Cotts / etc on this team and a day and a half to make me happy and trade em all... Its gonna be depressing when we only trade one of em