Gomez not traded/Flores cries/Alderson angry/Haudricourt confused/Melvin nonplussed/Gomez=Not Injured/Scott Boras MAD/Mets are lying liars

[brwrsfan]

So Cleveland...with this Mets deal in place, what would a comparable deal be from the Indians?

 

How would you feel if you were a Mets fan? They need a bat, have a trade to get one in place, and it gets nixed. Then Gomez gets traded a day or two later?

 

I still don't buy any injury at all to Gomez. Certainly not one that you'd nix a trade like this over.

[bill hAll Star]

I would have rather taken back any of their top prospects other than Gabriel Ynoa.

 

I agree with your whole post, this one just sounded a bit fun.

 

"I don't want their moderately ranked infielder...but I'd have take any of their top prospects instead."

 

Not what you meant, I know...but still good.

 

Back to Flores, I agree. I liked the value in principle, but it did feel like Melvin wanting to get an MLB guy, and they were playing this "fill the position game" during an assumed rebuild, which shouldn't matter.

 

"Well who is our 3B for the next few years?!?!?" Of course, it shouldn't matter during a rebuild, but some teams will take less value to make sure they have a guy that they perceive as worth plugging in at each position, even if he's not good enough to be a long-term piece or won't be there when you compete again as opposed to receiving somebody that does fit that bill.

[Boomer5]

I would have loved Wheeler but why Wilmer Flores? He's slow and doesn't have a defensive home, was he supposed to be the be 3B of the future? I really don't get the obsession with MLB ready talent this organization seems to have. Why does every big trade have to include a sub-par SS coming back?

 

I would have rather taken back any of their top prospects other than Gabriel Ynoa.

 

I guess it doesn't matter now that there is no deal but I was pretty pissed about Flores being in the trade when I was watching the Rattlers this evening, it wasn't logical outside of filling the 3B hole, but he stinks and I never liked him as prospect so I admit to bias.

 

When I read Wheeler and I nearly jumped out of my seat and then when I got to Flores I wanted to throw my phone... but this deal would have fit a Melvin trade to a T.

 

Exactly. This was a Herb Kohl move. Don't really rebuild, bring in guys to fill roles but not really get better. Flores has a lot of holes in his swing and Wheeler is a year away from being a solid 3/4 guy with perhaps 2 upside.

 

Not enough for Gomez, who was our key piece in bringing back the next big thing to Milwaukee.

 

A dime for two nickels.

[brwrsfan]

Scott Boras: “Carlos Gomez has never seen a hip doctor and has never had a hip issue in his playing career. Anyone who suggests that is ……inaccurate and baldly misrepresenting the truth of the player’s condition.”

 

Sure seems pretty strong there. I guess he has no choice, but I'd highly doubt Boras would just flat out lie about it. And if the Mets had hip concerns, they'd had to have seen some sort of medical diagnosis or MRI's or something - as they clearly never got to an actual physical. Doesn't seem like those MRI's ever even took place so......something doesn't make sense here....hmmm....

[Boomer5]

So Cleveland...with this Mets deal in place, what would a comparable deal be from the Indians?

 

How would you feel if you were a Mets fan? They need a bat, have a trade to get one in place, and it gets nixed. Then Gomez gets traded a day or two later?

 

I still don't buy any injury at all to Gomez. Certainly not one that you'd nix a trade like this over.

 

This hurts the Mets. No Gomez and Wheeler can no longer be dealt for much.

[MrTPlush]

What were they doing looking at month old MRIs from that minor hip issue? I don't get it.

[narwhalattack]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

[Boomer5]

Scott Boras: “Carlos Gomez has never seen a hip doctor and has never had a hip issue in his playing career. Anyone who suggests that is ……inaccurate and baldly misrepresenting the truth of the player’s condition.”

 

Sure seems pretty strong there. I guess he has no choice, but I'd highly doubt Boras would just flat out lie about it. And if the Mets had hip concerns, they'd had to have seen some sort of medical diagnosis or MRI's or something - as they clearly never got to an actual physical. Doesn't seem like those MRI's ever even took place so......something doesn't make sense here....hmmm....

 

The Mets picked the wrong agent to mess with.

[brewcrewdue80]

Wow, please tell me this deal remains OFF! I guess Melvin operates on the knowledge he can't afford a QO? So nevermind asking for that player in return+ when trading Gomez? Flores who's got a weak future is an easy to be bettered on with a top 35 draft pick after 2016. So QO~Flores and Gomez~Wheeler? Nothing else? Nothing? You mean to tell me that, is your best offer on the table for Gomez? Then do the smart thing and trade him in the offseason! What a fricken dope! Again, Wow.

[bill hAll Star]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

 

I'm not privy to the scouting report on Anderson, but he fell short of 7 Ks/9 in the minors. He just got shelled, so maybe he's over the "book not out on him" stage in the majors. I'm not that interested, though again, maybe he is an incredible sinker guy or something that I don't know.

[brwrsfan]

This just keeps getting stranger and stranger. The truth is in here somewhere...it sure seems to me that someone (the Mets) got cold feet or something. As the hip stuff makes absolutely no sense given Boras comments and they didn't obviously see Gomez in person.

 

 

Tom ‏@Haudricourt · 54s54 seconds ago

People I trust tell me Mets did have concern with Gomez's hips, as @Ken_Rosenthal first reported. But was told it shouldn't have nixed deal.

[narwhalattack]

 

Seems like Mets had concerns with Gomez's hip to begin with, but if it wasn't a big concern, it sounds like the Brewers had issues with Wheeler's elbow first and then the Mets started to whine afterwards.

[narwhalattack]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

 

I'm not privy to the scouting report on Anderson, but he fell short of 7 Ks/9 in the minors. He just got shelled, so maybe he's over the "book not out on him" stage in the majors. I'm not that interested, though again, maybe he is an incredible sinker guy or something that I don't know.

 

The main pieces would be Zimmer and Frazier. I suggested Anderson for the sake of adding a pitcher.

[Duckpondbrew]

SO, Sportscenter (I know reliable source- sarcasm) is going with the Gomez is hurt side. Not really surprised. New York is the major market, Milwaukee is the smallest sports market. It would be better to show favor to them for the potential viewers. Regardless, it irks me that they pick a side. As sports reporters, no matter how unprofessional, inept, or uneducated, their job is to be unbiased and factual. Unfortunately, that's just a problem that is growing in today's journalism. Anyways I'll just end the minor rant by saying it was a bloody mess of epic proportions that as both entertaining and frustrating. Thanks to all of you for keeping the information going smoothly.

[Eye Black]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

 

I'm not privy to the scouting report on Anderson, but he fell short of 7 Ks/9 in the minors. He just got shelled, so maybe he's over the "book not out on him" stage in the majors. I'm not that interested, though again, maybe he is an incredible sinker guy or something that I don't know.

 

Here is Kiley McDaniel's preseason report on Anderson...

 

13. Cody Anderson, RHP: Anderson was a late-blooming kid from Idaho that the Tribe signed out of a California junior college for $250,000 in the 14th round in 2011. He was a multi-sport kid who had just starting relieving when he got drafted, so he got most of his pitching experience in pro ball. There’s still some fastball command issues, so he may end up in relief, but the 6’4/235 righty will be developed as a starter. The arm action and delivery are both good and he normally sits 91-93 with some sink, hitting 95 mph, but can sit in the mid-90’s in short stints. His slider is above average, the curveball is average but inconsistent and the changeup is fringy but flashes average sometimes. Anderson will head back to the upper levels as a 24-year-old this year and could become a #3/4 starter with some command improvements or a set-up guy if that doesn’t work

 

Honestly, he is more the type of pitcher I have been expecting the Brewers to get back, which is why I was pleasantly surprised to see Melvin go after such a high upside arm like Wheeler tonight (albeit an injured one). I really hope they can find another impact arm in one of their deadline trades, but I am guessing at this point it would have to be someone further away from the majors which makes me worry that the Brewers would indeed settle for a lower ceiling, major league ready arm.

 

EDIT: I realize Anderson (or a pitcher similar to him) wouldn't be the primary piece in a trade for Gomez, my point is more that I would rather not get a pitcher at all in the trade than including a lower ceiling close to the majors pitcher that was likely to be a back of the rotation or possible reliever type.

[bill hAll Star]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

 

I'm not privy to the scouting report on Anderson, but he fell short of 7 Ks/9 in the minors. He just got shelled, so maybe he's over the "book not out on him" stage in the majors. I'm not that interested, though again, maybe he is an incredible sinker guy or something that I don't know.

 

The main pieces would be Zimmer and Frazier. I suggested Anderson for the sake of adding a pitcher.

 

Fair...I didn't really even look at the other two names, so makes sense.

[DHonks]

Boras has his minions prepping a 73-page document that explains why:

-Gomez's hips are not only healthy, but function better than 98.3% of other MLB ballplayers

-his hip quality suggests teams would be getting a bargain by acquiring him, as they alone are worth $8 million per year

-the Mets are idiots

[danzig6767]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

Cleveland is 8 games under .500 and thus very unlikely to make the playoffs, so why would they be aggressive in going after Gomez now, even with him being under contract for next season?

[narwhalattack]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

Cleveland is 8 games under .500 and thus very unlikely to make the playoffs, so why would they be aggressive in going after Gomez now, even with him being under contract for next season?

 

Well there were reports that the Indians were very interested in Gomez. It's not as if they can get him for a bag of peanuts.

[MNBrew]

^^ It's been reported that both contending (for his skills/production) and non-contending teams (ditto plus his 2016 contract situation) have been pursuing Gomez, so CLE's interest isn't surprising.

 

Boras has his minions prepping a 73-page document that explains why:

-Gomez's hips are not only healthy, but function better than 98.3% of other MLB ballplayers

-his hip quality suggests teams would be getting a bargain by acquiring him, as they alone are worth $8 million per year

-the Mets are idiots

 

All these things would seem to be true (only partly sarcastic), but it can't hurt that it's the Mets rather than the Brewers who put themselves in Boras' crosshairs.

[1992casey]

Great topic title, Toby.

[stoutdude04]

Just over a month ago Gomez did complain about his hips, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there was indeed concern on the Mets part. This is why I'm hoping we can trade Gomez. He appears to be slowing down, but that's just me.

[Boomer5]

I'm getting dizzy reading all the tweets from so many different angles. The quotes from both sides are compelling.

 

Maybe Gomez's hip really is an issue and that was the reason Doug jumped at such a poor return? We will know more about the hip if Gomez is traded by Friday.

[Boomer5]

Just over a month ago Gomez did complain about his hips, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that there was indeed concern on the Mets part. This is why I'm hoping we can trade Gomez. He appears to be slowing down, but that's just me.

 

There's a 6 week old quote out there where Gomez is complaining about his hammy and his hip. Looks more like frustrating day to day stuff rather than deal breaker though.

[danzig6767]

Gomez to Cleveland for Zimmer, Frazier, and Anderson?

Cleveland is 8 games under .500 and thus very unlikely to make the playoffs, so why would they be aggressive in going after Gomez now, even with him being under contract for next season?

Well there were reports that the Indians were very interested in Gomez. It's not as if they can get him for a bag of peanuts.

I was only wondering out loud why Cleveland would give up a lot for Gomez. It just seems odd to me.