Taylor Jungmann Thread

[LouisEly]

He had to make a lot of adjustments to his delivery, how he threw his curveball, and learning a changeup. They said on the broadcast that they have had him working on his changeup a lot since his callup. Today his fastball topped out at 95 (sat at 92 the last 2-3 innings but threw at least four 94/95 in the 3rd inning), his changeup at about 84/85, and his curve 74/75. To have a 17-20 mph difference between your pitches - if you can throw the change and curve for strikes - is extremely tough on hitters and keeps them off balance.

 

Like Fiers - his fastball tops out at 91/92, his change at 82, and his curve as slow as 69/70. Keeps hitters off-balance because of the 20 mph differential. On the contrary, Broxton was throwing his fastball at 95/96 and was overthrowing his slider at 90/91 - not enough differential to keep hitters off balance (and too hard to generate much movement or command), thus the bad results. In Broxton's last few outings his slider has been more like 87, and he's had better results.

[MrTPlush]

I wonder if Taylor Jungmann could be a Jacob deGrom type guy. deGrom never really lit the world on fire in the minors for the most part, but has clearly figured it out at the MLB level. Now I don't think Jungmann will ever be that good because quite frankly deGrom has better stuff, but deGrom also had control issues in the minors that limitted his results much like Jungmann. Maybe Jungmann can be a lower 3 ERA guy despite never having the results prior to warrant it.

 

Jungmamm should be a very interesting story line the longer he keeps this up. I have enjoyed watching him keep hitters off balance. Give Lucroy some credit too, he has been calling very good games for Jungmann.

[brewmann04]

Love to see Jungmann continue to pitch well and keeps his team winning. I agree he seems to keep his other teams off balance. Like they talked about they could be working on things in the minors. He Needs to stay in the rotation no matter what the arm paying Lohse or Garza.

[clancyphile]

I wonder if Taylor Jungmann could be a Jacob deGrom type guy. deGrom never really lit the world on fire in the minors for the most part, but has clearly figured it out at the MLB level. Now I don't think Jungmann will ever be that good because quite frankly deGrom has better stuff, but deGrom also had control issues in the minors that limitted his results much like Jungmann. Maybe Jungmann can be a lower 3 ERA guy despite never having the results prior to warrant it.

 

Jungmamm should be a very interesting story line the longer he keeps this up. I have enjoyed watching him keep hitters off balance. Give Lucroy some credit too, he has been calling very good games for Jungmann.

 

Which now makes the question of Lucroy even harder to answer...

 

Do you insist on trading him if he keeps getting the most out of the pitchers? Can Maldonado, Centeno, or Weisenburger do as good or better?

[MrTPlush]

I wonder if Taylor Jungmann could be a Jacob deGrom type guy. deGrom never really lit the world on fire in the minors for the most part, but has clearly figured it out at the MLB level. Now I don't think Jungmann will ever be that good because quite frankly deGrom has better stuff, but deGrom also had control issues in the minors that limitted his results much like Jungmann. Maybe Jungmann can be a lower 3 ERA guy despite never having the results prior to warrant it.

 

Jungmamm should be a very interesting story line the longer he keeps this up. I have enjoyed watching him keep hitters off balance. Give Lucroy some credit too, he has been calling very good games for Jungmann.

 

Which now makes the question of Lucroy even harder to answer...

 

Do you insist on trading him if he keeps getting the most out of the pitchers? Can Maldonado, Centeno, or Weisenburger do as good or better?

 

I personally would probably sign a veteran off the FA market to handle duties. No one flashy just a cheap vet to help the pitchers out.

[clancyphile]

Which now makes the question of Lucroy even harder to answer...

 

Do you insist on trading him if he keeps getting the most out of the pitchers? Can Maldonado, Centeno, or Weisenburger do as good or better?

 

I personally would probably sign a veteran off the FA market to handle duties. No one flashy just a cheap vet to help the pitchers out.

 

Could a veteran do as well as Lucroy, who's caught some of these guys for years? An open question.

 

If Jungmann is a #1/#2 starter (which is looking more and more likely, given his consistent performances to date), and Peralta and Nelson come back to form, then the Brewers are arguably more in need of some re-tooling versus a full rebuild, given the presence of Fiers, and a load of young pitchers coming up (Cravy, Suter, Johnson, Wagner for the fifth spot this year, with Lopez, Ortega, and Meideros further down the ladder). The team could go to Lucroy, try to get an extension, and that's one less position to worry about - plus, if he is getting more out of Jungmann, especially early on, then it may be worth it to the Brewers to keep him behind the plate as opposed to looking on the free-agent market, which can be... iffy.

[markedman5]

MLB Network listed the best Brewer pitchers after their first 8 starts measured by ERA .

 

Jungmann is the best followed by Fiers

 

After that

 

Bill Parsons and some other guys I don't remember or didn't recognize.

 

No Ben Sheets, or Gallardo

 

Obviously what Jungmann has showed so far is great but I think it is way too early to think we have a stud just because he has had a hot start to his career.

[paul253]

I agree that we need to temper expectations on Jungmann. A month and a half ago we were considering him an inning eating #5. I love what he's done but he needs to do it over the course of a year or more to truly be considered a 1 or 2.

 

That being said. If he keeps up this pace...maybe finishes the year with an ERA under 2.50 and 10+ wins any chance he wins ROY? I don't pay much attention to that race so I don't know who is all in consideration but he'd have to be a candidate with those numbers.

[CheezWizHed]

If you meant an inning eating #5 for his initial call-up, I could agree with that. If you thought he would max at that, I think you are underselling him greatly.

 

Honestly, I don't care if he maxes as a #1 or #4. He is doing well right now. Many people mention "the second time around" for teams to see him. That might have some effect, but I tend to think its far more related to his control (on whether he is a #1 or #4). And the "second time around" started yesterday with the Pirates.

 

TheCrew07, any comments on Jungmann's curveball now vs when drafted? I'm curious if you think that pitch has developed into a plus or average MLB pitch from the below-average ranking you gave him when he was drafted.

[paul253]

Yes I thought he'd max as a #5. I'll admit it. His numbers throughout his entire minor league career were very pedestrian. His velocity sat in the low 90s. He walked too many hitters. Wasn't striking out very many. I'm not claiming anyone is doing this but I'm not going to come on here saying "oh I told you so". Quite honestly I don't think anyone considered him much more than a back end of the rotation pitcher.

[splitterpfj]

When the Brewers took him, I liked the pick at the time, more than most here seemed to. I thought Taylor would make it, and be a good MLB pitcher then, but his minor leagues numbers were so erratic, I had come to believe he wouldn't reach the potential I'd thought was there.

 

Even at that, I don't think I ever believed he would look like he has to this point in the major leagues. I expect some regression, but they've already gotten more out of him than I had expected when he was called up.

[Boomer5]

When the Brewers took him, I liked the pick at the time, more than most here seemed to. I thought Taylor would make it, and be a good MLB pitcher then, but his minor leagues numbers were so erratic, I had come to believe he wouldn't reach the potential I'd thought was there.

 

Even at that, I don't think I ever believed he would look like he has to this point in the major leagues. I expect some regression, but they've already gotten more out of him than I had expected when he was called up.

 

I agree on all fronts. I didn't hate his selection either but I saw him as being a "nice" pitcher in the #3 ceiling range.

 

This is a completely different pitcher than we thought we had since we drafted him. He is as good as any RH starting pitcher that we have ever had even factoring in advanced scouting and second time through vs a hot team.

 

This makes me seriously question what we are looking at down on the farm, going back to Thornburg pitching well after being 0-9 down in AAA.

[MrTPlush]

I agree that we need to temper expectations on Jungmann. A month and a half ago we were considering him an inning eating #5. I love what he's done but he needs to do it over the course of a year or more to truly be considered a 1 or 2.

 

That being said. If he keeps up this pace...maybe finishes the year with an ERA under 2.50 and 10+ wins any chance he wins ROY? I don't pay much attention to that race so I don't know who is all in consideration but he'd have to be a candidate with those numbers.

 

No chance he wins the ROY. Bryant or Pederson will win that...after that he could slide in depending on how he finishes.

[FVBrewerFan]

Nothing has changed in my mind. Couldn't be more excited by every performance likes this he has, but we still have no idea he can do this for an entire season- much less 4-6 seasons and beyond. But at least there is one more guy "out of the blue" that has shown there's a chance he can be a top of the rotation type arm.

[homer]

I could be wrong but I don't remember a rookie starter for the Brewers having this kind of extended success since Cal Eldred.

[FVBrewerFan]

Mike Fiers

[JohnBriggs12]

I wonder if Taylor Jungmann could be a Jacob deGrom type guy. deGrom never really lit the world on fire in the minors for the most part, but has clearly figured it out at the MLB level. Now I don't think Jungmann will ever be that good because quite frankly deGrom has better stuff, but deGrom also had control issues in the minors that limitted his results much like Jungmann. Maybe Jungmann can be a lower 3 ERA guy despite never having the results prior to warrant it.

 

Jungmamm should be a very interesting story line the longer he keeps this up. I have enjoyed watching him keep hitters off balance. Give Lucroy some credit too, he has been calling very good games for Jungmann.

 

Well deGrom's stuff is overpowering, but a point well taken nevertheless. I believe deGrom was a SS in college, so he was learning his craft in the minors. Jungmann was a first rounder out of a big profile college program. His numbers in Huntsville/Nashville in 2014 were really pretty good. Getting him out of Colorado Springs has done wonders. It might be it's just his time at age 25.