Orlando Arcia listed by BA as #8 prospect in baseball

[MrTPlush]

Can we bring up Arcia just to watch him play defense? I heard it is quite the treat.

[JohnBriggs12]

Orlando Arcia is not going to be in the MLB this year(in my opinion) and I would be surprised if he is called up before September next year. Why rush, what is now considered an elite prospect, to the MLB when our team is garbage? He is 20 years old and there isn't much reason to push him.

 

On another note I would be shocked if he is rated this high on the annual Top 100 lists...but still he is finally getting the credit he deserves. He has the hitting ability, plate discipline, and defense to be an amazing SS for a long time.

 

 

Glad you have a crystal ball and know what this team will look like a year from now. What, you're going to wait until the team is contending to bring him up? He might be stuck in minors until he's 30. Elite talent needs to play against the best to reach their full potential. Facing the type of pitching guys face in AAA doesn't test elite players. Just look at how the Brewers battered the Phillies AAA pitching staff last week. Fun to watch, but probably doesn't make them any better against better major league staffs. I suspect he'll be brought up around June 1st next year. Segura will go in a deal this winter, and they'll use a stopgap be it Sardinas, Perez (who could also be at 3B) or Gomez for a couple months. All young players need some time to adjust to major league pitching. The idea is that in a year or two, when Arcia is reaching his full potential, he'll be able to help make this team into a contender.

 

What are you talking about a crystal ball? All I did was state my opinion on what I think the Brewers will do and partially what I think they should do. I'm sorry but if you can't handle someone's opinion a forum is not for you.

 

I did nothing different than what you just said yourself. Actually it gave me a good laugh. I am glad your crystal ball is working too!

 

You stated that "our team is garbage" in reference to a season that's a year away. That's as a definitive statement as can be and wasn't expressed as an opinion but as a fact. My opinion is that you must know something I don't. We have no idea of what the 2016 roster will look like now. At least I don't. So I guess I'm challenging that statement. Apparently you don't like your statements being challenged. Mine get challenged all the time. You are right, it comes with the territory.

[BrewCrewForever]

Great notes from Jon Heyman today on the a multiple of Brewers fronts. But some really nice, specific things on Arcia. See below.

 

"The Brewers are willing to trade not only star center fielder Carlos Gomez but even young shortstop Jean Segura, according to one person familiar with their thinking, who suggested it's somewhat likely they move both players. Gomez's possible move is born of pragmatism, as the person mentioned how there's no way the Brewers would be able to afford to keep Gomez long-term considering Jacoby Ellsbury's $153-million deal (Gomez is a free agent after 2016). The source also suspected Segura could easily be traded due to the extraordinary rise of shortstop prospect Orlando Arcia, who is beloved by just about all of baseball, the Brewers included. In fact, Arcia may be drawing more trade interest than Segura at present (the Padres, linked to Segura, are one of many to call on Arcia). "He's the best player I saw in the minor leagues this year," one NL executive said. Another, noting that Arcia was ranked 90th on some prospect list, said he should have been ninth, "or higher." Yet another NL executive said Arcia is comparable to the much more heralded Francisco Lindor, "only better." Arcia is only 20, but the Brewers have yet another shortstop prospect in Luis Sardinas, making it logical that Segura could go somewhere. Though Segura's value isn't at its peak ("He looks a little thick," one scout said) ... The Mets, for one, don't seem to love Segura due to his free-swinging style ... In addition to Segura and Gomez, the Brewers may find new homes for Adam Lind, Gerardo Parra, Kyle Lohse, K-Rod, Jonathan Broxton, Aramis Ramirez and Neal Cotts ... K-Rod would prefer to remain in Milwaukee. "Hopefully, I can stay -- this year, and next year, too," Rodriguez said. His contract is also backloaded, which limits his trade value. K-Rod incidentally isn't surprised to have been back to being an All-Star closer after briefly falling to set-up status. "What you learned right, you never forget." ... Donny Everett, the first-round talent the Brewers took on a flyer in the 29th round, will indeed be going to Vanderbilt to pitch. He was the hardest thrower in the draft at 99 mph and sought $2.5 million or more to give up school as he is a student ... Nathan Kirby, left-handed pitcher from the University of Virginia, is expected to sign Friday with the Brewers. He was the No. 40 overall pick and a national champion with the Cavaliers."

[brewcrewdue80]

I put that a fantasy writer believes Arcia will play this season and boom I start a fickle posters fight over it. I just wanted to leave off the impression that people believe he can play at the ML today, and at the same time that a knock on Segura was given why it will happen before season's end. Just think, We are closing in on getting 2.5seasons of Segura, 0 on Pena, and .1 or whatever on Hellweg for the trade of Greinke. What was a massive win in trade, is looking like a massive loss.

 

Anyway, The fact Arcia is still in AA, to me shows he's being held back as long as possible to not give enough stats at AAA that he's ready for a ML promotion til small market Super 2 status ends. I just wonder can Milw keep him down for almost one more year to reach that.

Think about it, if the Brewers promoted Arcia to AAA by now or at any moment. Why wouldn't you put him in the ML team when September comes and give him experience? Super 2 is why. The longer the team keeps him at AA, the easier it will be to not promote him in Sept. And then of course you run him out in AAA until Super 2 passes next season.

 

Hernan Perez' waiver pick up, I believe ensures Arcia wont see action this season. But had he not been added, Arcia's numbers were going to make it hard not to promote him. At some point with this top 10 ranking, Arcia's agent will begin the whispers of how much minor league baseball does he need to play to prove he's ML ready? What does Milwaukee want him to improve on as a player? And truthfully, it's about Super 2 money/status. Baseball would be maybe fixed some if they took the bottom 8 markets and granted them immunity from Super 2.

[Fear The Chorizo]

he's 20. Even for a prospect with as much pub as he's gotten recently, Super 2 isn't the sole reason he's still in the minors.

 

at the start of next season he'll still be younger than Kris Bryant was when he was drafted, and he wasn't the 2nd coming as a 17 yr old the way Bryce Harper was. There's no way the Brewers are going to rush him, and they have absolutely no need to. I actually wouldn't be shocked if he spent the first full half + of next year in AA/AAA before seeing Milwaukee after the trade deadline or September callups.

[Outlander]

If they have the patience to wait until next September to call him up they really shouldn't call him up at all next year and delay free agency until 2024.

[clancyphile]

I'd prefer to see Arcia spend all of 2016 at Colorado Springs... maybe it'll give him taste for some power numbers.

 

Segura's still valuable as a middle-infield backup. Maybe move Gennett and ride with a combo of Sardinas and Segura for 2016.

[reillymcshane]

If they have the patience to wait until next September to call him up they really shouldn't call him up at all next year and delay free agency until 2024.

You can really do this at the mid-season point of next year. Just say July 1 for simplicity sake. At that point, you can call up Orlando and he won't accrue a year of service for 2016, and won't be eligible for Arby 2. This way he gets 1/2 a season more of experience in the big leagues.

[FVBrewerFan]

No rush. If you haven't noticed, he's been slumping. Rivera had a great OPS when he was promoted, and has really struggled in AAA. Arcia is very talented, but he is not ready for MLB.

[MrTPlush]

I'd prefer to see Arcia spend all of 2016 at Colorado Springs... maybe it'll give him taste for some power numbers.

 

Segura's still valuable as a middle-infield backup. Maybe move Gennett and ride with a combo of Sardinas and Segura for 2016.

 

Just what we need, Arcia getting a taste for power numbers. Then he will swing for power and not average. No thank you. We better have a good hitting coach in place so he stays the way he is.

[reillymcshane]

Arcia came in at #8 on Fangraphs updated top 25 list:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-post-trade-deadline-prospect-update/