Peralta comes back, Jungmann goes...???

[CheezWizHed]

So Peralta is finally on his way back. Who leaves?

 

Personally, I'd prefer Jungmann remains. Nelson has struggled a bit, but I don't think going to AAA is going to help him.

 

I think we all would hope a trade of Garza or Lohse are traded to open it up.

 

But if not, does Jungmann go back?

[tmwiese55]

Put Jungman in the bullpen as a long guy until you can hopefully trade one of Garza/Lohse, someone else gets hurt or just release Lohse after the deadline? These guys get rocked often enough that Jungman would still get plenty of opportunities to pick up innings and it would keep his total innings count down. Just an idea.

[JohnBriggs12]

Lets see. Lohse is 4-9 with a 6.28 ERA. He's got negative trade value at this point and even a couple decent starts before the All Star game isn't likely to change that.

 

Why not just release Lohse? Some team will no doubt take a chance on him for minimum salary, and the Brewers can use that minimal savings to pay Jungmann.

 

Knowing the Brewers, they'll send down Jungmann in the hopes Lohse has a run of good starts leading to the deadline and somebody will take him if the Brewers pick up half of his remaining salary and accept a low level minor league non-prospect. If not, Lohse will be released in August just as Wolf was in 2012.

[Thurston Fluff]

I don't think it's a bad idea to send Jungman back down. He has some things to work on and can do that there as well as here. We are not necessarily trying to win games and he can digest what he learned here a little to help him come in stronger his next time up. To me it would almost be like having an off season to reflect on what he did and what he needs to do in the future. I don't think we'll have to worry though. Even though Lohse hasn't cooperated so far I think he will still be traded. Some team will take a shot on him due to his track record if they don't have too pay much. It would be better for us to trade him even if we had to pick up his salary just to get something back in return. Even if it is nothing more than minor league fodder.

[wildcat2237]

I don't think it's a bad idea to send Jungman back down. He has some things to work on and can do that there as well as here. We are not necessarily trying to win games and he can digest what he learned here a little to help him come in stronger his next time up. To me it would almost be like having an off season to reflect on what he did and what he needs to do in the future. I don't think we'll have to worry though. Even though Lohse hasn't cooperated so far I think he will still be traded. Some team will take a shot on him due to his track record if they don't have too pay much. It would be better for us to trade him even if we had to pick up his salary just to get something back in return. Even if it is nothing more than minor league fodder.

 

I disagree. The guy has put up an ERA of 2.79 over 5 starts. Obviously the league will adjust to him the second time around. But it would be nice to see if we have a #2, a #3, a #4, or a #5 type guy in Jungmann before next year. The only way to do that is to let him pitch at the MLB level.

 

Lohse on the other hand has been terrible and does not have future with the team. Trade him for a bag of ballls of release him.

 

Nelson has also looked bad, with the exception of 3 or 4 starts sprinkled throughout. I would not be opposed to sending him to AAA for a month if a Lohse or Garza trade is in the works.

[brewmann04]

HOPEFULLY THEY SHIP EITHER LOHSE OR GARZA TO THE ASTROS

[brewmann04]

Wildcat got blasted for suggesting sending Nelson down

[tmwiese55]

I want Jimmy up to work through it at MLB. I'd prefer to keep Jungman up too. You have to remember that AAA is in Colorado Springs, terrible for pitchers and could hurt them more than help. You have to let guys learn and trust that they'll improve. Not everyone comes up and dominates. Even Kershaw sucked when first came up too, yea he was 19 but it just shows you have to let them figure it out.

 

This is from CBS Power Rankings today:

In 2013, Dallas Keuchel had a 5.15 ERA and 1.54 WHIP. In 2015, he should be the AL starter in the All-Star Game.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I don't like the idea of sending Jungmann back down for the simple sake of it being Colorado. Leave him up. Keep him in the rotation or make him the long man, but let's see how he does when the league starts seeing him a 2nd time.

 

It's not really a HUGE surprise that he's successful his first time around. Lots of marginal guys can do that (Mike Fiers, I'm looking at you). What is the more telling tale is how he does his 2nd or 3rd time through the league. And I'm just not interested in seeing him burn up any more development time in a league and atmosphere that's not conducive to pitching.

[jerichoholicninja]

5.5 man rotation until something happens with Lohse or Garza. Save some innings on Nelson, Jungman, and Peralta. No reason to burn those guys up this year.

[1992casey]

I don't necessarily advocate it, but Lohse in the bullpen would be an option if he isn't traded or released.

[monkeyman343434]

I want Jimmy up to work through it at MLB. I'd prefer to keep Jungman up too. You have to remember that AAA is in Colorado Springs, terrible for pitchers and could hurt them more than help. You have to let guys learn and trust that they'll improve. Not everyone comes up and dominates. Even Kershaw sucked when first came up too, yea he was 19 but it just shows you have to let them figure it out.

 

This is from CBS Power Rankings today:

In 2013, Dallas Keuchel had a 5.15 ERA and 1.54 WHIP. In 2015, he should be the AL starter in the All-Star Game.

 

I completely agree with this 100%, for the most part, guys don't come up and dominate right away, it usually takes them a bit of time to figure out the league.

[JohnBriggs12]

Nelson is the one starter that on any given day can go out and dominate an opponent. He's done it 4-5 times already. I consider him to be the number 1 starter on this staff right now. That's not saying a lot and he needs to find a lot more consistency but you certainly don't send him down.

[Thurston Fluff]

I don't necessarily advocate it, but Lohse in the bullpen would be an option if he isn't traded or released.

 

If you have to pay him anyway and can't get anything for him why not? He can be the mop up guy. Considering how quick a hook Counsell has having a guy like him in the pen isn't a bad idea.

[bork]

The other wrinkle is all the off days this month with the all star break, 1 day off before and 1 day off after. If they were to send Jungman down, they could do it after his next start and not need a 5th starter until the 25th.

[CheezWizHed]

I don't necessarily advocate it, but Lohse in the bullpen would be an option if he isn't traded or released.

 

If you have to pay him anyway and can't get anything for him why not? He can be the mop up guy. Considering how quick a hook Counsell has having a guy like him in the pen isn't a bad idea.

 

+1 Yeah, I hadn't thought of it, but its probably the best solution if they can't trade him. Better than sending anyone down.

[Pugger]

HOPEFULLY THEY SHIP EITHER LOHSE OR GARZA TO THE ASTROS

 

That wouldn't be a charitable thing to do to the Astros.

[reillymcshane]

I'm all for letting Jungmann hang around, but I don't think it happens. The team needs to move Lohse (Garza as well, but I don't think that happens this season).

 

We'll try and trade Lohse, but he's got to put together a little run of success for someone to show any interest. That means we have to keep giving Lohse the ball every fifth day until someone is willing to give us something. That something may be as little as an A ball reliever or half a million dollars in salary cap relief. It could be more if Lohse strings together some good starts. Remember, we can hold on to him until Aug. 31. The trade deadline may be the end of July, but Lohse is a classic type of guy who will simply clear waivers. No one will claim him and be held responsible for upwards of $3-4M (if someone does, good for us). This the point where Jungmann or another starter will get into the rotation.

 

Again, I'd rather have Jungmann just stay up, but unless we can find a taker for Lohse, I bet the club waits.

 

As for Garza, he's even more hard to deal because of the long term contract he has. We have to hope he turns things around, then we can deal him this off season or during next season (if he still pitches okay). Right now, we'd have to include a lot of money to trade Garza. I think Milwaukee keeps him and hope he rebuilds his value next season.

[wildcat2237]

5.5 man rotation until something happens with Lohse or Garza. Save some innings on Nelson, Jungman, and Peralta. No reason to burn those guys up this year.

 

Brilliant Idea.

[MrTPlush]

Well in a perfect world Jungmann stays up...but the world isn't perfect. I'm not even sure how badly they need him with all the off days. More than possible Lohse/Garza get shipped out before Peralta is back.

[LouisEly]

I want Jimmy up to work through it at MLB. I'd prefer to keep Jungman up too. You have to remember that AAA is in Colorado Springs, terrible for pitchers and could hurt them more than help.

It's terrible for their numbers, but does it teach them how to pitch better? Adverse conditions teach people to be more focused because they know that the slightest mistakes can hurt them. Does pitching in that environment teach pitchers to be more focused and work on perfecting their mechanics? I don't know, I'm just asking the question.

 

Think about the opposite - if AAA was a pitcher's haven, would it do a good job of teaching pitchers how to pitch, or would it allow pitchers to get lazy because they could get away with their mistakes more easily?

 

I don't expect Jungmann to continue at this pace, but I do think there is something to pitching in adverse conditions and that teaching you to be more focused and technically sound. I don't think his good performance so far is just luck.

[tmwiese55]

I see your point that dealing with adversity is usually something that builds character.

 

My understanding of pitching up there is that it's virtually impossible to throw breaking pitches consistently. So it's tough to improve them or know if what you're doing is working and whether it will translate to normal conditions. So you could be getting hit hard and you don't know if it's because the guy isn't any good or if the conditions are hurting him.

[Roderick]

Why not just release Lohse? Some team will no doubt take a chance on him for minimum salary, and the Brewers can use that minimal savings to pay Jungmann.

 

Knowing the Brewers, they'll send down Jungmann in the hopes Lohse has a run of good starts leading to the deadline and somebody will take him if the Brewers pick up half of his remaining salary and accept a low level minor league non-prospect. If not, Lohse will be released in August just as Wolf was in 2012.

 

Well if you can save $2M by seeing if Lohse gets a few more decent starts under his belt, that is nothing to sneeze at (for the Brewers). Plus it isn't like they want to push the innings count on Jungmann anyways, so a few weeks in the pen/Colorado won't hurt.

[Polish Falcons]

6 man rotation seems like the best idea all things considered.

[Jenkins5]

Lohse or Garza gone by then, open spot waiting for Wily!