College Basketball Thread 2015-16

[DuWayne Steurer]

Can't find the 1993 NCAA tournament box score, but Santa Clara's Randy Winn played on the basketball team (knocked off #2 seeded Arizona), however, given that he played only 5 games that year, I'll bet he didn't get into the upset win.

 

 

He did not appear in the box score

 

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/1993-03-18-arizona.html

[homer]

Kenny Lofton?

[Funketown]

Well, that Marcus Paige shot was about as close to the basketball-equivalent of Rodgers' playoff Hail Mary as you can get. Hopefully somebody gives him a look in the 2nd round of the draft.

 

What a great game though, I'd hazard a guess that both teams played one of their best 3-4 games of the season. Villanova should be a title contender next year, and UNC will be a solid top-10 team if everybody returns. Unfortunately, Kryzewski has assembled himself quite an impressive group of talent in Durham...

[DHonks]

Funketown, I'd take Duke as a top program any day over UNC and their dirty program. Duke runs a clean ship, produces great players. I may be open in my dislike of the Badgers, but my most-hated program is UNC. I get tired of Duke occasionally being so good, but I'll take them over Kentucky and UNC any day.

[fondybrewfan]

I just can't like Duke because of the tripper and Coach K just seems like a smug arrogant jerk. UNC sooner or later is going to get hit with some major penalties; I just don't see how it can be avoided given everything that happened. Duke = Kentucky now since they both clearly now are the epicenters for one and done recruiting. Coack K is not the tool and Calipari is but the programs are essentially the same now. The minor leagues for the NBA.

 

Make no mistake though Duke is going to be very good next year. Allen is returning and they bring in like 3 Top 10 guys. That certainly doesn't guaranty anything though; just look at Kentucky this year. Skal was a Top 3 recruit and was pretty much terrible and they also had some other very high recruits but had only a so-so year.

 

Cool to see Joe K come back to the Badgers an assistant. Obviously a young guy with not much of a track record but it probably is a good idea to get a younger guy on the bench that can relate to recruits and kids a little better. Smart guy so hopefully he can turn out to be a nice recruiter; I doubt he will contribute much to game day for a while yet.

[Baldkin]

Kenny Lofton?

 

Dave Winfield?

[MrTPlush]

You know I understand we have powerhouse programs(as a Kansas fan totally fine with that), but wow is it depressing when Kentucky/Duke get a ridiculous amount of the top recruits. Duke got the #1, #2, and the #11 recruits while Kentucky got the #4, #7, #8, #15, #27 recruits.

 

Going into the season you can pretty much bet at least one of those teams is getting to the championship game, one probably wins it, and it wouldn't be shocking if both make the final four. It is a lot better when the recruiting class is more spread out like it was last year.

[fondybrewfan]

I mean who do #11, #15, and #27 even want to go to Duke/Kentucky when they playing 2nd fiddle to the more highly touted guys that were recruited and already on the bench. They are going to be role players most likely on really good teams. If it were me and I was ranked that high I would go somewhere where I would start and possibly be THE guy. I guess the allure of playing one year at Kentucky or Duke is very appealing to those guys.

[rwa12]

The national attention/competition that comes from playing at Duke or Kentucky outweighs the benefit of being the MAN on a NC St or Georgia Tech. A lot of these guys play together in AAU, and like the idea of continuing on in college (Oden/Conley). Oddly, the pressure can be less at a Duke where there are other superstars.

[QuevedosTongue]

So, Bill Johnson, the long-time play-by-play announcer for UW-Milwaukee quit in an epic rant against the athletic department. It was pretty funny in it's way. One of the things that was referenced in the response from the athletic department was Johnson's suspension for a game this season for a racially insensitive remark. Does anyone remember what that was about?

[stoutdude04]

Nigel has declared for the draft but didn't hire an agent.

[CheezWizHed]

Nigel is probably testing the water temps, but I can't imagine there is going to be much interest. He shot poorly this season, especially in the tournament. He has little to lose in returning and a lot to gain.

[nate82]

Anyone else feel that neither Ellenson or Stone are ready for the NBA? I thought Ellenson needed at least one more year at Marquette before going pro and Stone looked like he needs to stay for another 3-years.

[DHonks]

nate, it depends. They could get better and dominate, and be top 5 talent next year. But the argument is that they are better served practicing against NBA players and playing 5-10 minutes per game rather than dominating college ball. I'd rather see them stay in college, but I'm not them. Of course, my basis is past MU guys--Wade stayed 3 years, Butler and Crowder came out of JuCo and finished their eligibility at Marquette, etc

[MrTPlush]

From what I have heard next year is a very very VERY deep draft and players that are borderline 1st rounders or even 2nd rounders should go into this draft. Unless you think you can greatly improve next year waiting is going to do you no good.

[nate82]

I just don't see Stone getting that much playing time in the NBA he may get the Dekker treatment and only appear in 2 games for the whole season.

 

I believe he needed to stay in college linger he is not NBA ready. Neither Ellenson or Stone are borderline 1st rounders so if either stayed one more year they would still be top 15 talents I just don't see either being ready for the NBA yet.

 

Ellenson will probably get more playing time than Stone will.

[fondybrewfan]

Both are probably going to be Top 20 picks; hard to fault them for leaving if they aren't necessarily ready. They would be best served going to a veteran team and be allowed to sit and develop for a year or two. But of course if you are going Top 20 your 1st round pick is generally expected to contribute right away

[QuevedosTongue]

I've see a lot of mock drafts that have Ellenson as a top 7 pick and Stone as a sure first-rounder. I think both could actually play their first seasons. It seems like the thing that holds back some big guys is a lack of offensive polish. Those 2 can at least shoot and pass. Both will need to adjust to the speed, athleticism, and physicality of the pro game. Ellenson will likely go earlier, so he has a better chance to play minutes.

[Baldkin]

I've see a lot of mock drafts that have Ellenson as a top 7 pick and Stone as a sure first-rounder. I think both could actually play their first seasons. It seems like the thing that holds back some big guys is a lack of offensive polish. Those 2 can at least shoot and pass. Both will need to adjust to the speed, athleticism, and physicality of the pro game. Ellenson will likely go earlier, so he has a better chance to play minutes.

 

It's defense. It's always defense that holds young guys back. Actions, counter actions and counter-counter actions just leave most guys who grew up playing AAU where the most complicated action was a pick 'n roll completely lost.

 

Watching Jabari this season showed just that.

[FVBrewerFan]

Anyone else feel that neither Ellenson or Stone are ready for the NBA? I thought Ellenson needed at least one more year at Marquette before going pro and Stone looked like he needs to stay for another 3-years.

 

The one and done guys are almost never ready. But if you had the choice of getting a check for millions of dollars, or go back for Philosophy 101 and risk getting injured, what would you do?

[FVBrewerFan]

So, Bill Johnson, the long-time play-by-play announcer for UW-Milwaukee quit in an epic rant against the athletic department. It was pretty funny in it's way. One of the things that was referenced in the response from the athletic department was Johnson's suspension for a game this season for a racially insensitive remark. Does anyone remember what that was about?

 

You can judge for yourself, but I don't think it was anything worthy of suspension:

 

http://mediamilwaukee.com/uncategorized/bill-johnson-uwm-suspension-audio-happened

[QuevedosTongue]

So, Bill Johnson, the long-time play-by-play announcer for UW-Milwaukee quit in an epic rant against the athletic department. It was pretty funny in it's way. One of the things that was referenced in the response from the athletic department was Johnson's suspension for a game this season for a racially insensitive remark. Does anyone remember what that was about?

 

You can judge for yourself, but I don't think it was anything worthy of suspension:

 

http://mediamilwaukee.com/uncategorized/bill-johnson-uwm-suspension-audio-happened

 

 

Thanks for the link. Those comments wouldn't be worthy of a suspension in my mind, although things related to university life are much different than the rest of society. And comments that stereotype any ethnicity (or anything else for that matter) are very poor choices.

[fondybrewfan]

Wally Ellenson got creaned by Marquette. Now that Henry moved on apparently Wojo has no use for his brother anymore. It looks like a pretty sad situation with Marquette looking bad and the Ellenson family looking a little weird as well. It would look worse if Wally wasn't getting a track & field scholarship. Regardless it was pretty obvious Wojo used the Wally scholarship to get Henry and Wally simply wasn't a good enough player. All of this and the team didn't even translate it to a NCAA tourney bid. If you pull carp like that you better win; Wojo better start showing some progress in the next couple of years.

[stoutdude04]

So, Bill Johnson, the long-time play-by-play announcer for UW-Milwaukee quit in an epic rant against the athletic department. It was pretty funny in it's way. One of the things that was referenced in the response from the athletic department was Johnson's suspension for a game this season for a racially insensitive remark. Does anyone remember what that was about?

 

You can judge for yourself, but I don't think it was anything worthy of suspension:

 

http://mediamilwaukee.com/uncategorized/bill-johnson-uwm-suspension-audio-happened

 

 

Thanks for the link. Those comments wouldn't be worthy of a suspension in my mind, although things related to university life are much different than the rest of society. And comments that stereotype any ethnicity (or anything else for that matter) are very poor choices.

 

We are in the midst of a pretty PC society. This looks to be like one group of people trying to get out in front, while the other is simply making an observation based on personal experience. Seems to happen often these days.

[stoutdude04]

Wally Ellenson got creaned by Marquette. Now that Henry moved on apparently Wojo has no use for his brother anymore. It looks like a pretty sad situation with Marquette looking bad and the Ellenson family looking a little weird as well. It would look worse if Wally wasn't getting a track & field scholarship. Regardless it was pretty obvious Wojo used the Wally scholarship to get Henry and Wally simply wasn't a good enough player. All of this and the team didn't even translate it to a NCAA tourney bid. If you pull carp like that you better win; Wojo better start showing some progress in the next couple of years.

 

I was listening to it on the radio and they made is seem like Wally chose to focus on TnF. I have none of the details so I have no idea what is what, but that's what the radio said this morning.