Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[FVBrewerFan]

I read somewhere the roster was at 14, not sure if that's correct. Either way, it's not about roster reduction. There are other guys on the roster like Ennis that could have easily been cut. The trade was to free up cap space, which tells me there's another potential trade of FA signing coming. I believe after Vaughn is signed they'll have around $6MM under the cap.

 

In fact, unless they do bring in another big the move is puzzling. You have only Monroe and Henson as true big men, Plumley if you want to count him. (I see Parker taking over the role/minutes of Irsan.)

 

As others have said, I think they're going to miss Dudley and Zaza. They offered stability, veteran presence, all the intangibles that I think had a lot to do with their rise last year.

[patrickgpe]

I read somewhere the roster was at 14, not sure if that's correct. Either way, it's not about roster reduction. There are other guys on the roster like Ennis that could have easily been cut. The trade was to free up cap space, which tells me there's another potential trade of FA signing coming. I believe after Vaughn is signed they'll have around $6MM under the cap.

 

In fact, unless they do bring in another big the move is puzzling. You have only Monroe and Henson as true big men, Plumley if you want to count him. (I see Parker taking over the role/minutes of Irsan.)

 

As others have said, I think they're going to miss Dudley and Zaza. They offered stability, veteran presence, all the intangibles that I think had a lot to do with their rise last year.

there is no cap space, because the bucks signed Middleton (with his bird rights) before this trade, they went way over the salary cap. This was only to cut costs.

 

bucks were 22 million under the cap after the Ersan trade, traded for Vasquez for 6.5 million, signed middleton for 14 million, signed monroe for 16.7, saved 5.2 million for zaza, saved 4.3 million for Dudley = -4.5 million over the cap before signing Vaughn.

[tmwiese55]

This is purely to save money since they just spent so much. Yes, he'd be nice to have for depth but with Monroe, Henson, Plumlee it's an area you can save. Might try to bring in more of stretch 4/wing type if they're not confident in that Inglis guy or Johnny Obryant.

 

And 2nd round picks do matter more than people realize. Just this year in FA second rounders signed to monster deals:Middleton, Marc Gasol, Dragic, Millsap, Mathews(not even drafted), Danny Green, Jordan, Draymon Green, Ellis, and a few others, plus guys right at the end of the first like Jimmy Butler. These guys probably signed for more than the GDP of most countries. And besides that they're valuable as sweeteners to pull off other deals.

[FVBrewerFan]

there is no cap space, because the bucks signed Middleton (with his bird rights) before this trade, they went way over the salary cap. This was only to cut costs.

 

Ok, thanks, that makes more sense then. Would have liked to move Bayless instead of ZaZa or Dudley, but I'm guessing his cap number isn't big enough to make any difference.

[tmwiese55]

Right, Bayless is about 3 mil and each of those was over 5. Think I'd rather have Dudley than one of Vasquez or Bayless though, even for 2 mil extra. The only backups at the 3/4 are Obryant and Inglis. There might be some kind of move to bring in a guy like Perry Jones from OKC, or that type of player. Heck, with the current roster setup it would be nice to have Dekker instead of Vaughn as he'd be the backup to Giannis and Jabari.

[patrickgpe]

i agree that if they were just looking to dump bodies it makes more sense to dump Bayless and Plumlee rather than Dudley and Zaza. I do understand that the new owners would not want to pay any of the luxury tax, with the organization in flux right now.

[tmwiese55]

Yea it hurts to have lost two good veteran leaders that I think contributed greatly to their chemistry and play hard at all times attitude they had last year. Both guys were gone after this year anyway though so probably good moves overall. Clear 10mil and pick up two 2nd rounders. Plumlee only has 1 year left too as far as I can tell but he's probably restricted and can be brought back cheaply. I think he could be an ok backup big to have around. Keep in mind Henson will be gone soon too unless they're willing to pay way too much money.

[patrickgpe]

according to brewhoop my math wasn't correct, they have some cap space now but not much. I still would have rather just kept Zaza around then, since they were far below the tax threshold.

 

[tmwiese55]

Considering they're still below the luxury tax mark I guess i would have probably kept him. But they pick up that 2nd rounder and the trade exception for the future. For years we've been complaining about the win now moves that lead to mediocrity, I guess we should accept a move like this that is clearly about the future instead. Have to think they'll bring someone in with some experience to backup Giannis/Jabari. They can't be this confident in Inglis and O'bryant.

[CheezWizHed]

I guess we should accept a move like this that is clearly about the future instead.

 

Seems more about the money than the future. Getting a second back is pretty minimal. ZaZa was really their only "thumper" center. This seems to really limit their flexibility. Would be nice to rest Monroe and have the option to go small (Hansen) or big (Zaza) depending on who they are playing.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Teams don' carry 4 centers typically do they?

[superfly]

Bayless or Mayo are probably on their way out too. Logjam in the backcourt with guys that need minutes (Vasquez, MCW, Mids, Vaughn who should have minutes). Wouldn't surprise me to see Mayo offloaded for minimum return either, which would be a good thing money wise.

[BrewBalls]

according to brewhoop my math wasn't correct, they have some cap space now but not much. I still would have rather just kept Zaza around then, since they were far below the tax threshold.

 

 

The numbers for middleton are slightly off. He will make $14.7MM this season which just puts them over the cap. We have the Room Exception ($2.814MM) to sign free agent(s) with and both TPEs created by the Dudley ($4.25MM) and Zaza ($5.2MM) trades. We should be targeting players teams are trying to dump like Trevor Booker, Kostas Papanikolaou, Perry Jones III, Danny Granger and Nick Collison and/or free agents like Darrell Arthur and KJ McDaniels who can play either SF or PF. Booker and Jones would be my ideal choices.

 

MCW, GV, Ennis, Bayless

Midds, OJ, Vaughn

Giannis, Inglis, Jones

Parker, Booker

Monroe, Henson, Plumlee

 

Giannis, Inglis, Monroe and Henson can all play PF for additional depth.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Man am I glad we didn't end up with Embiid......

 

I know Parker blew his knee and missed 2/3rds of a season, but Embiid may never play a game in the NBA.

[superfly]

KJ McDaniels is a FA? Man we should pick him up...defensive beast.

[patrickgpe]

KJ McDaniels is a FA? Man we should pick him up...defensive beast.

Agreed, i really wanted him drafted at 31 last season. They just don't have a roster spot for him right now.

[superfly]

KJ McDaniels is a FA? Man we should pick him up...defensive beast.

Agreed, i really wanted him drafted at 31 last season. They just don't have a roster spot for him right now.

 

If Johnny O'Bryant and Jorge Gutierrez are still on our roster that's a good place to start...

[greeg35]

Stein says we are working on an extension with Henson. Hopefully less than 9 per.

[FVBrewerFan]

I DVRd and watched the first two summer league games. (Well, TRIED to watch the entire games...but too brutal.) Inglis is clearly not in basketball shape, just no way to tell what kind of player he is. Vaughn showed flashes, which is good, but was hoping he was a better pure shooter than he has shown. But we're talking about extremely small sample size, of course.

 

The rest of the roster is a joke, Eric is the only guy that's intriguing- only because he is big. Kilpatrick, the kid from Cincy, is interesting, but is the very definition of a tweener. No PG skills, and way too small to play the 2- especially for the Bucks.

[tmwiese55]

Seems more about the money than the future. Getting a second back is pretty minimal. ZaZa was really their only "thumper" center. This seems to really limit their flexibility. Would be nice to rest Monroe and have the option to go small (Hansen) or big (Zaza) depending on who they are playing.

 

True, but money is about the future. Again, second rounders aren't as useless as everyone thinks but in this case I believe both picks are protected making them even worse. I wanna say we only get them if they're in the bottom 5 or 10 of the draft. So pure salary dumps along with the Trade Exceptions on both, which actually are valuable to the future. These trades save the team 10mil which they can spend on something else (think how much they've spent on re-branding, new court etc., then throw in new contracts they just inked) and freed up minutes for young guys to see how they look for the future since they can't win it all this year anyway. That being said, it's a little worrisome to go into the year with Inglis and O'Bryant as key backups but they're not looking at this year, it's all about 2018 and beyond.

 

Another hidden thing is 'taking care' of good guy veterans like Zaza and Dudley, since we want to play younger guys instead of them the trades put them in a situation to play more and earn themselves a good new contract after next year. Players talk and when a team makes a classy move like that it gives them a good reputation out there (opposite of Sacramento/Philly).

[homer]

Lots of buzz that there's gonna be a vote tomorrow. Apparently they've taken out the county debt thingy and replaced it with a ticket surcharge.

[davego]

Excellent!

[patrickgpe]

saw on twitter that the senate deal is done and will pass tomorrow according to Lena Taylor.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2516192-milwaukee-bucks-new-arena-latest-news-rumors-speculation-on-potential-deal

 

EDIT: ADDED LINK

[FVBrewerFan]

Reminder, this is just the first of four steps that need to happen. And Lena Taylor can say deal is done, but this is so close one vote will sway it either way, so in no way am I comfortable the Senate is a done deal.

 

If/when the Senate approves, it still needs to be passed by the state legislature, then the county board, and the city counsel. None of those are rubber stamps. Although there will be more pressure on the county and city to get it done if the state approves.

[patrickgpe]

I do not believe that the country board needs to approve. I would think that the common counsel will be the hardest to get through, but the bucks have the advantage that each member is representing the city of Milwaukee which stands to gain the most from this development.