Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[DuWayne Steurer]

Call it whatever you want, even his own peers think he's a dirty jerk-bag.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/cavs-matthew-dellavedova-voted-nbas-dirtiest-player-in-recent-poll/

 

And nobody has even posted the gif where he swats Iguodola in the twig and berries (and wasn't even CLOSE to going for the ball). Well. actually he did hit a ball..... I guess.

[molitor fan]

Steven Adams was voted 2nd dirtiest in the pool....boy I would sure hate to have him on the Bucks...(not even sure what color I should put that in)

 

Think back to when duckhead Dunleavy bullied us in that playoff game year before last and pushed Giannis to the point he took himself out of the game with a frustration play....that will not occur this year

[superfly]

I didn't like the deal on Dellavadova, but after seeing Jon Leuer get 4/42 (he's still in the league?!?!?!?) and Solomon Hill get 50 mil, I am 100% all for the 4/38 we gave him, and the 3/30 we gave to Teletovic too. Seems we stole both of them in my book.

[nate82]

Durant to the Warriors.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kevin-durant-leaving-thunder-to-join-steph-curry-warriors-things-to-know/

 

Ummm yeah so right now it looks like the Warriors are the best team in the league by far.

 

If the Bucks sign Wade you would have to expect MCW is gone as their just isn't enough room for him on the roster if Wade is signed by the Bucks. Right now with the two signings I don't see much playing time for him especially the way Ennis played towards the end of the season. I think Ennis is going to be the starting PG for the Bucks.

[QuevedosTongue]

If Wade is a reality (I don't) I just hope they don't throw money at him. He's on the decline and I don't really expect him to hold up physically. It could be the kind of stupid move a team makes to think it helps them compete, but then sets them back a few years in the process.

[Austin Tatious]

Many people here are way too young to remember the amazing playoff series' the Bucks had against the Celtics in the 80's, But Dellavadova reminds me tremendously of a way less dirty version of Danny Ainge. Those who remember those games vs the Celtics may recall Ainge doing 8 or 9 of the things from that Delly "dirty" mix tape in a single series....like Delly, Ainge just outworked people....love the defensive tenacity

 

Great post. Very true. I like the Delly signing. It was a nice identification of a void we had. His skill set and attitude were two huge needs. We needed a bit of nasty.

[Austin Tatious]

After the last 2 days, Montoe is essentially being paid like a second unit player now, might as well hang onto him. Wow! Some contracts these guys are getting.

 

The guy I'd keep is MCW. Sure, he's been a disappointment. But his salary is so low and he can be an ok guard with length while playing less minutes. My premise is I don't think the Bucks will get squat for him, so I'd keep him unless there is some compelling trade situation perhaps as a sweetener to something else. I sure wouldn't take a lower first round pick for him or some nonsensical garbage player.

[superfly]

Durant to the Warriors.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kevin-durant-leaving-thunder-to-join-steph-curry-warriors-things-to-know/

 

Ummm yeah so right now it looks like the Warriors are the best team in the league by far.

 

If the Bucks sign Wade you would have to expect MCW is gone as their just isn't enough room for him on the roster if Wade is signed by the Bucks. Right now with the two signings I don't see much playing time for him especially the way Ennis played towards the end of the season. I think Ennis is going to be the starting PG for the Bucks.

 

Except they have NO bench. They will get worked because of it...IMO if the Bucks could get an anchor down low like a Deandre Jordan they'd feast on em with the wingspan they have.

[rwa12]

Agreed on MCW, Austin. I don't think he's terrible, he's just not "the guy". He fits our defensive scheme, and can be somewhat useful as a spark off the bench. You don't give him away. I'm torn on Monroe. He's not bad to have around, because there are teams that you need that big body to match up, or can use his size to exploit a mismatch. It's just the amount he is paid, and the need to get him minutes that makes it difficult.

[patrickgpe]

Wade cancelled his meeting with the bucks tomorrow, which is fine. i didn't see the fit for 20 million a year.

[brwrsfan]

Wade was never really coming here IMO - he was just using the Bucks as leverage. Even if he leaves Miami, doesn't seem like the Bucks would have been in play anyways.

[BillScottCanRake]

I think both parties got exactly what they wanted out of the Milwaukee's interest in Wade.

 

Wade needed some teams to be interested in his services so he could get as much as he could from Miami (which is where he wanted to be) and Milwaukee helped him with that. I'm not sure that Wade would have been the best fit in Milwaukee, but having the Bucks linked to an elite player in July kept them in the news when they otherwise may not have been.

 

I think it worked out for both of them.

[CheezWizHed]

Wade was never really coming here IMO - he was just using the Bucks as leverage. Even if he leaves Miami, doesn't seem like the Bucks would have been in play anyways.

 

We never were his first choice. But if Miami remained at $10M and the Bucks were above that, I don't doubt he would've followed the money.

[LouisEly]

I didn't like the deal on Dellavadova, but after seeing Jon Leuer get 4/42 (he's still in the league?!?!?!?) and Solomon Hill get 50 mil, I am 100% all for the 4/38 we gave him, and the 3/30 we gave to Teletovic too. Seems we stole both of them in my book.

I think the point is that between Della, Tele, and Henson the Bucks have $30M tied up with Giannis approaching restricted free agency. I know the cap is going up, but I want to make sure that the money is there for him along with one other star player. Henson is a sunk cost, but between Della and Tele that's $19M/year that could have gone to a better player.

[Baldkin]

I didn't like the deal on Dellavadova, but after seeing Jon Leuer get 4/42 (he's still in the league?!?!?!?) and Solomon Hill get 50 mil, I am 100% all for the 4/38 we gave him, and the 3/30 we gave to Teletovic too. Seems we stole both of them in my book.

I think the point is that between Della, Tele, and Henson the Bucks have $30M tied up with Giannis approaching restricted free agency. I know the cap is going up, but I want to make sure that the money is there for him along with one other star player. Henson is a sunk cost, but between Della and Tele that's $19M/year that could have gone to a better player.

 

They will be approximately 25% of the salary cap next season. That's nothing to worry about. Giannis will get maxed, and be making less than all 3 of them combined.

[QuevedosTongue]

I assume Giannis will be signing with Golden State, right?

[tmwiese55]

Mirza was one of the best deals signed in the frenzy, very good price for him considering a guy like Ryan Anderson got 20 mil, he's half that much. i'm not a huge Delly guy but considering he got under 10 mil I don't think we can complain. That is below the going rate for fringe starters or early guys off the bench like they'll be. I went into this worried we'd pay a guy like Bazemore 18mil or Dwight/Noah 20+ mil. So I'm content with the discount type guys they got as they shouldn't impede anything going forward for when we're true contenders and might need to make other moves.

[patrickgpe]

I assume Giannis will be signing with Golden State, right?

rumors are that he will sign a 5 year / 145 million extension tomorrow

https://sconniesportstalk.com/2016/07/03/greek-report-giannis-to-sign-five-year-extension-worth-145-million/

[Boomer5]

After a disastrous draft, the Buck have had a smart FA period. Delly and Telly fit roles we really needed at what is now considered bargain prices.

 

Im curious what they will do with MCW and Moose though.

[patrickgpe]

After a disastrous draft, the Buck have had a smart FA period. Delly and Telly fit roles we really needed at what is now considered bargain prices.

 

little early to call the draft disasterous since Maker has yet to even play a summer league game.

 

I also wouldn't call Delly a "bargain" they are still paying 9.5 million for a guy who played about 12 minutes a game in the finals. He does fit a need though and that is the going rate I guess.

[Boomer5]

After a disastrous draft, the Buck have had a smart FA period. Delly and Telly fit roles we really needed at what is now considered bargain prices.

 

little early to call the draft disasterous since Maker has yet to even play a summer league game.

 

I also wouldn't call Delly a "bargain" they are still paying 9.5 million for a guy who played about 12 minutes a game in the finals. He does fit a need though and that is the going rate I guess.

 

Im comfortable with that term until proven otherwise. The guy was a 2nd round pick that we picked 10th. No way there wasnt a trade down available. Unless he is Kevin Garnett lite, we really reached on the guy. A 23 year old (??) 7 footer playing better - at times - than a bunch of Canadian teens is only slightly more impressive than Yi posting up a chair. Regardless of what people think of his potential, he really doesn't project to be anything this year and likely next. If you have seen better reports, Id be happy to look at them.

 

Can you remember a lottery pick being this universally panned that turned out to be a steal?

 

We sold a draft pick for money which does nothing. Only teams with full quality rosters should pull that move.

 

As for Delly, we needed a scrappy PG who would do anything for the good of the team. He fills a huge role at what is now a bargain price. Yes $9.5M is insane, I agree completely, but in 2016 FA that is cheap.

[patrickgpe]

i would have preferred that they took Sabonis or Ellenson if they wanted a young big man with upside. There would be alot less questions and concern. I also don't like the idea of selling a pick with NBA free agency is so crazy since 2nd round draft picks are cheap players with no risk on short term deals.

 

for the most part, hammond has done OK with the draft so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

[tmwiese55]

Selling the pick was just a stupid move, nothing to demand someone's firing over but just stupid. If they wanted to swing for the fences on that pick they should have just went with Skal, similar upside but you at least know how old he is. My preferred route was to draft a shooter like Baldwin, then gamble on two bigs with the 2nds. With Skal and Davis from MSU falling so far you could have traded up to get one at the end of the first, or just sat where you were and hoped for them or Thon to fall to you.

 

I'm not a big Delly guy or anything, but the narrative that he was benched in the playoffs isn't fully accurate as he was injured. That said, my biggest fear with him is that he'll perpetually be injured due to his physical playing style.

[Boomer5]

i would have preferred that they took Sabonis or Ellenson if they wanted a young big man with upside. There would be alot less questions and concern. I also don't like the idea of selling a pick with NBA free agency is so crazy since 2nd round draft picks are cheap players with no risk on short term deals.

 

for the most part, hammond has done OK with the draft so I will give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

 

I had Maker as one of our 2nd round picks, so its not like I didn't want him at all. This team really needed a rebounder and rim protector (and shooter) now so that's why he isn't the 10th pick in the draft material for this team.

 

Obviously Summer League will be well watched to see what we have in this guy as he has never played any meaningful competition.

[QuevedosTongue]

Per the Bucks blog at JSOnline, the meeting is back on with Wade and will take place this afternoon. Bucks can't realistically do anything right now, but if they commit to a 3 year deal he will either sign with the Bucks after the Bucks do some restructuring (likely moving Monroe), or use it as leverage to get the 3 year deal he wants elsewhere. It sounds like right now Miami has offered 2 years, $40 million and Denver 2 years, $50 million. So the Bucks would almost certainly have to go 3 years and at least $50 million to get this done.

 

I really hope this doesn't happen. If it does, what's the over/under of games played over 3 seasons for Wade? I put it at 100 (out of 246).