Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[Katuluu]

Absolutely ****** draft for the Bucks. Brogdon looks like he runs with his feet in cement, way too slow for the NBA. Won't be able to keep up with the 1st step on 95% of the NBA guards. I liked the McCaw pick and then they just give him away to the Warriors. This franchise looked like they were going to shake off the Kohl years, but they appear to think they are smarter than everyone else, except they aren't. Hated the trade for Greivas Vasquez last year and look what happened... he was absolute ****. Maker has a huge upside and they better take the ******* money they got from the warriors and hire a coach just for Maker to work with him 24/7.... bunch of bs....

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[patrickgpe]

this pick reminds me of the brewers taking J.M. Gold years back. He dominated inferior competition and never put it together in the minors and had injury issues.

 

Not saying that the Maker won't have success.

 

The fact is that, anyone that called sports talk radio and praised or bashed the pick, has no basis to do so. Nobody has seen him play in person. If he played college for a year, i think we would have a better guess on his future.

 

I didn't know that as a High School sophomore he was the #1 college recruit in the nation, which tells me that there could be something there. The things that i like is that he is very well spoken and sounds very intelligent, likes the idea of playing in Milwaukee and judging from team workout, he is a very hard worker, all of this is to his advantage to start his professional career.

 

It would have been nice for Milwaukee to have their own D-League team this season and get a lot of in game action, and let him develop there, but it sounds like he is going to be up with the bucks all season.

[nate82]

My problem with the Bucks pick is not the player they took but who they didn't take. The Bucks didn't get an outside shooter that they desperately needed. I see what the Bucks are trying to do they are trying to get an athletic team that has the height advantage. If the Bucks are going more with a run and gun style of offense then this pick makes sense.

 

The Bucks really needed to get a player who can shoot the three and they didn't get that in the draft. Maybe the Bucks tried to trade down in the draft but couldn't find a taker the Celtics had a difficult time finding someone to take the #3 spot. With only the 76ers giving them a serious offer and it looks like that offer wasn't enough for them to trade the #3 spot.

 

I don't think the Bucks are going to be able to trade Monroe and he is going to be someone who comes off the bench or is a rotation piece when Parker and Giannis are not playing. I like Monroe but his offensive skills slows the team down which means you need a 3pt shooter which the Bucks do not have currently. The Bucks needed a 3pt shooter if they are going to continue with the run and gun offense with Monroe in it. Since the Bucks did not get a 3pt shooter I am not sure where Monroe fits on the roster anymore. Is he a bench guy that comes in when Parker and Giannis and if he is then the Bucks need that 3pt shooter and I am not sure the Bucks have that player on their roster right now.

[Baldkin]

My problem with the Bucks pick is not the player they took but who they didn't take. The Bucks didn't get an outside shooter that they desperately needed. I see what the Bucks are trying to do they are trying to get an athletic team that has the height advantage. If the Bucks are going more with a run and gun style of offense then this pick makes sense.

 

The Bucks really needed to get a player who can shoot the three and they didn't get that in the draft. Maybe the Bucks tried to trade down in the draft but couldn't find a taker the Celtics had a difficult time finding someone to take the #3 spot. With only the 76ers giving them a serious offer and it looks like that offer wasn't enough for them to trade the #3 spot.

 

I don't think the Bucks are going to be able to trade Monroe and he is going to be someone who comes off the bench or is a rotation piece when Parker and Giannis are not playing. I like Monroe but his offensive skills slows the team down which means you need a 3pt shooter which the Bucks do not have currently. The Bucks needed a 3pt shooter if they are going to continue with the run and gun offense with Monroe in it. Since the Bucks did not get a 3pt shooter I am not sure where Monroe fits on the roster anymore. Is he a bench guy that comes in when Parker and Giannis and if he is then the Bucks need that 3pt shooter and I am not sure the Bucks have that player on their roster right now.

 

They should be getting two new players shooting the three this year: Jabari and Giannis.

 

If they don't, nothing else really matters.

[patrickgpe]

My problem with the Bucks pick is not the player they took but who they didn't take. The Bucks didn't get an outside shooter that they desperately needed. /quote]

 

#1 - who would have you taken, besides Valentine, there were not many shooters around at 10. I would have been fine with him as the pick. Heild or Murray would have looked great in a bucks uniform, but they were not able to move up to get them.

 

#2 - Hammond would say that the bucks drafted their shooter last season, he was the youngest player in the draft, and could develop into that shooter off the bench that you wanted.

[CheezWizHed]

I have to say that I was pretty surprised with Makes at #10 like most people. And I was upset at the thought that we won't get any better next year.

 

But I looked at what came after us in the draft. After Poetl was gone, there wasn't really any one left that I liked much. Sure, there will be some surprises. And plenty of guys that will help next year. But this is a league that is won by superstars. And frankly, I think its worth the chance.

 

Some of the video, Makes looks like a short Manute Bol. All arms and legs. But at the same time he handles the ball and moves decently. If he can put on some muscle and progress in is instincts, he could be a very interesting player.

 

People talk a lot about how the league is a small ball league. But the players we are accumulating (except Monroe) are long, lean, quick type players. Specifically, players built for defense. That seems to be this team's MO.

 

I also think that Vaughn will become that 3 point shooter everyone is looking for. He struggled his rookie year, but he started coming on late too.

[nate82]

 

#1 - who would have you taken, besides Valentine, there were not many shooters around at 10. I would have been fine with him as the pick. Heild or Murray would have looked great in a bucks uniform, but they were not able to move up to get them.

 

#2 - Hammond would say that the bucks drafted their shooter last season, he was the youngest player in the draft, and could develop into that shooter off the bench that you wanted.

 

I would have liked to have gotten Furkan Korkmaz he has a fairly decent 3pt shot. If the Bucks could have traded up to get him that would have been best but I don't think that was an option. I would have tried to trade with the Celtics for 16 and 23. Taking Either Furkan Korkmaz or Malik Beasley at 16 and then at 23 taking Zizic.

 

While I like Vaughn I am not sure he becomes the 3pt threat everyone thinks he is going to become. I hope I am wrong but I just don't see him becoming that 3pt threat that the Bucks need.

[danzig6767]

My problem with the Bucks pick is not the player they took but who they didn't take. The Bucks didn't get an outside shooter that they desperately needed. I see what the Bucks are trying to do they are trying to get an athletic team that has the height advantage. If the Bucks are going more with a run and gun style of offense then this pick makes sense.

 

The Bucks really needed to get a player who can shoot the three and they didn't get that in the draft. Maybe the Bucks tried to trade down in the draft but couldn't find a taker the Celtics had a difficult time finding someone to take the #3 spot. With only the 76ers giving them a serious offer and it looks like that offer wasn't enough for them to trade the #3 spot.

 

I don't think the Bucks are going to be able to trade Monroe and he is going to be someone who comes off the bench or is a rotation piece when Parker and Giannis are not playing. I like Monroe but his offensive skills slows the team down which means you need a 3pt shooter which the Bucks do not have currently. The Bucks needed a 3pt shooter if they are going to continue with the run and gun offense with Monroe in it. Since the Bucks did not get a 3pt shooter I am not sure where Monroe fits on the roster anymore. Is he a bench guy that comes in when Parker and Giannis and if he is then the Bucks need that 3pt shooter and I am not sure the Bucks have that player on their roster right now.

They should be getting two new players shooting the three this year: Jabari and Giannis.

 

If they don't, nothing else really matters.

I highly doubt that Jabari and Giannis will be ready to be consistent jump and three point shooters by next season, but i'll be happy if they simply show some progress in that area.

 

Clearly shooting is a need for this team, but it's not just about next season. The Bucks aren't good enough yet to be spending lottery picks on a need. To me, all that matters is that Maker eventually develops into a quality player. Plus, the best shooters were gone before we picked.

 

The Bucks are still in a building mode. Any Brewers fan should know better that in a time like that, the main key is trying to acquire higher end talent at any position and then hopefully in 2-3 years when Jabari and Giannis are hitting their primes, proper role fitting talents can surround them to where the Bucks are chasing a top 3 seed in the East, not a 7th or 8th seed.

[homer]

I don't think you can really be disappointed the Bucks didn't get a "shooter" until free agency/trades are over and done with. Other ways to find players.

[nate82]

 

The Bucks are still in a building mode. Any Brewers fan should know better that in a time like that, the main key is trying to acquire higher end talent at any position and then hopefully in 2-3 years when Jabari and Giannis are hitting their primes, proper role fitting talents can surround them to where the Bucks are chasing a top 3 seed in the East, not a 7th or 8th seed.

 

Yes and the Bucks didn't need to select Maker they could have went with either Furkan Korkmaz or Timothe Luwawu both who are 6-7. Kormaz is more refined in shooting the 3 but both are as much of a project as Maker is. Both Korkmaz and Luwawu are players that would fit into what the Bucks are trying to do.

[GAME05]

Apparently the Bucks are going to be putting in a solid FA offer for Joakim Noah. The former DPOY has had injury issues, is on the other side of the age slope, and looks to be regressing. But maybe some of it is also from playing on the Bulls, who I've read can be rough on injured/battered players. A short-term deal would be awesome, and a one-year + option seems to be what everyone wants with this cap boost coming up.

 

All in all I'm satisfied with Maker. Everyone available at 10 had some big negatives, and Thon certainly has his. But his ceiling is probably highest, and at that coveted stretch 4 position. Maker also fits that Bucks mold of being gangly and taller than his position typically calls for. If Maker pans out, the Bucks would have to bring the oddest matchup issues of any team in the League.

[MrTPlush]

Below is how I view the pick of Maker. It just is not a very good pick as it appears right now. They don't have their own D-League team to truly prepare him how they want him and even then that is not a great way to prepare NBA draft talent(MAY change soon).He is raw...very raw. Like still on a newborn steer. Still need to eat right, grow, slaughtered, packaged, and then cooked right. I mean sure he has a lot of potential, but he hasn't even tapped into it at all. The odds of him actually being great is probably way lower than one would want. I wish the Bucks the best of luck though. They could look brilliant someday.

 

I think this is a prime example of a team falling in love with a player too much.

 

Sam Vecenie of CBSSports.com: Maker -- D. "This is just not great value. Maker is the rawest player in this draft, and is still two years away from legitimately playing in an NBA game due to his lack of strength and limited basketball instincts. To make matters worse, Maker likely won't be able to get time on the floor to improve because the team does not have a D-League affiliate to stick him with. It's hard for me to see how this one works out well for them."

[superfly]

 

I think this is a prime example of a team falling in love with a player too much.

 

Sam Vecenie of CBSSports.com: Maker -- D. "This is just not great value. Maker is the rawest player in this draft, and is still two years away from legitimately playing in an NBA game due to his lack of strength and limited basketball instincts. To make matters worse, Maker likely won't be able to get time on the floor to improve because the team does not have a D-League affiliate to stick him with. It's hard for me to see how this one works out well for them."

 

To be fair to Sam, that sounds what people said about Giannis when we took him...turned out he was able to/good enough to get valuable playing time as the season wore on that undoubtedly accelerated his curve. Who knows, maybe we can get Maker 5-10 minutes a game, and then by the end 10-15. Being around this team helps more than the D League does in my mind....he'll learn how to be a pro.

[GAME05]

it's not like we're so loaded with depth we can't fit him at the end of the bench and improve his skills through practices. We pretty much did that with Vaughn last season. If we're not bound for the playoffs, which seems like a 50/50 proposition, then he gets some time on the court later in the season just like Vaughn got.

 

If he takes the roster spot of JOB is anyone going to notice?

[zurch1818]

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[Boomer5]

Young is young whether he is 19 or 23. I really don't think that matters at all. The bucks saw an athletically gifted 7 footer who can shoot and run the floor. Why does it matter what age the kid is.

the videos of him in high school are much more impressive if he is the same age as those other kids instead of 4 years older. I think because he never played college ball, people are freaking out because there is so many questions on him. This pick will either be the best one in the draft or a complete disaster.

 

That's the issue, his tape. If he is 23 and dominating HS kids, big deal. If he is the same age you have something interesting.

 

Either way he is is still a reach at 10. Seems they could have traded down and picked him up later in the draft.

[Boomer5]

If they sign Noah to a max contract I may never watch the Bucks again. I am hoping that is just his agent using us as leverage.

[patrickgpe]

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I think I post this somewhere after every packer, brewer and buck draft, there is no point in bashing or praising any pick that is made, you just don't know. Personally I think there are red flags on Simmons and Ingram but I could be wrong. Someone like Simmons who couldn't get his team into the NCAA tourney and wasn't eligible for the wooden award because he didn't have a 2.0 GPA and Ingram is right now too thin to play in the league.

 

I always give the benefit of the doubt to the GMs who have watched countless hours of tape and personal workouts over what the talking heads on TV say about picks, plus if they are wrong, there are no consequences. If Hammond and Kidd are wrong that could be their job.

[zurch1818]

Haha. I totally fell asleep while reading this thread last night. I'd delete it but it is to awesome not to. I wonder why I typed an F.

 

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[CheezWizHed]

I don't quite get why "the Bucks don't have a D-league team" is such a problem. They have placed players on other D-league teams before. Maybe they aren't coaching him directly, but certainly the coaches on his team will be working with him on the same goals the Bucks have for him. And as others have said, maybe just playing in practice with the big-boys is what he needs.

 

As for the trade down concept... If we couldn't find a player that was clearly a good pick at #10, why in the world is anyone else going to want to trade UP with us? Boston giving up two picks for one pick, when all three picks are of similar quality is a stretch at best. Flip it around: Would you give up their two picks for our one? In this draft, I wouldn't. And my guess is that the Bucks tried and found no takers. So they picked their favorite player right at #10.

 

Haha. I totally fell asleep while reading this thread last night. I'd delete it but it is to awesome not to. I wonder why I typed an F.

 

Some people pocket dial. Some people pocket post...

[fondybrewfan]

Noah would be a trainwreck for this team. He is a shell of his former self and the numbers thrown around for his contract are mega stupid.

 

I am not sure who the FA targets are going to be; but a 3 PT shooter has to be included to replace Bayless / Mayo. I just don't see them signing some big name guy but what do I know; maybe the young core is intriguing to other players. It is probably just best to hang onto Monroe until the dust of FA settles because you know there probably will be a team that strikes out in FA and is desperate for a big man. Maybe get a 1st due in the next couple of years.

[CheezWizHed]

Same on Noah... Pass. I didn't like him when he wouldn't work out for the Bucks; I didn't like him when he played dirty against the Bucks; I don't like him now.

[rwa12]

The two targets I have heard linked to the Bucks are Noah and Dellevedova. I don't understand the logic. Neither of those 2 fit what we are doing. Delly because Vasquez wasn't bad enough? Noah is a better fit than Monroe, but I've just never been a fan.

[FVBrewerFan]

Yea, Noah bugs me. I would think that's true for almost everyone. But he could provide defense and rebounding and a little scoring, so I could get over it. He would be a fit with what they're doing, but nowhere near a max deal. That's crazy talk.

 

But they would need to move Monroe first even if they did find a way to sign Noah to a reasonable deal.

 

I haven't weighed in on the draft yet. Maker sure sounds like a reach, but as others have said not much to choose form at 10 anyhow, so may as well take a chance on an athletic 7'1" guy. If he can even be a Larry Sander-light, that would be fine.

 

Also, why are people questioning Maker's age when Brogdon is the one who looks like he's 47.

[Baldkin]

I don't quite get why "the Bucks don't have a D-league team" is such a problem. They have placed players on other D-league teams before. Maybe they aren't coaching him directly, but certainly the coaches on his team will be working with him on the same goals the Bucks have for him. And as others have said, maybe just playing in practice with the big-boys is what he needs.

 

Well, it's pretty simple. The difference is they will have their own hand picked coaches with limited time working with their young guys... or they'll have TeamB's hand picked coaches with limited time working with.... oh yeah, TeamB's players.