Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[rwa12]

I don't think Monroe has that much value. He's very good at what he does, but the league is largely going away from what he does. He's a big name, but even the teams that chased him last summer have no interest in him now. I don't think he's ever going to bring much in trade, teams aren't clamoring for a non-D big man with his skill set. If he stays, he hurts the team, you can't play him with your core. 17.5M is a lot to pay a second team Center. There are teams that could use him, but they're not going to overpay to bring him in. I think a lottery pick is an overpay for him.

[rwa12]

Thon can shoot at least, and presents an interesting skill set. I don't know if he'll ever put it together, odds are he won't. This is a lousy draft for talent. In those kind of drafts you go for lottery tickets.

[nate82]

This will probably one of the more crazier drafts, there are so many players bunched from 8-20, teams will be OK with trading picks. I have no idea where the bucks will go, they obviously have more than 1 need. They need to get a big, a shooter (since the jury is out on Vaughn), and a point.

 

I'll officially predict that they take Poeltl

 

I don't think the Bucks need a PG as I believe Ennis is the PG that the Bucks are looking for. While he may not be the best defender in the league at PG I believe he is a definite match with what the Bucks have been trying to do on offense. Not to mention he wasn't that bad of a shooter in college.

 

It also looks like Stone has fallen a lot. There is also talk of him not even being drafted in the 1st round he maybe a 2nd round pick. If Stone falls to the 20's do you trade one of the 2nd round picks to take him? There has been concerns with his interviews along with some background issues that are scaring some teams away. Valentine is another player who has been falling due to an issue with his knee. He is another player that could be had in the later part of the draft around the 18-25 range.

 

I am not sure Poeltl will be there when the Bucks pick at 10. From what I have gathered it will be either Poeltl or Ellenson available at #10. If Poeltl and Ellenson are not available at 10 who are the Bucks going to pick? I wonder if the Celtics would trade their 2 first round picks plus a player to even out the salary for Monroe, #10, and both of the 2nd round picks?

 

If the Bucks could do that Jamal Murray would have to be the pick at #3 and then Stone at 16?

[Jenkins5]

In theory Monroe was a great sign that everyone loved. Finally gave the Bucks a center who can provide offense. In reality, he just isn't a fit for what this team needs. As I said all last season, we need that DeAndre Jordan type athletic, defensive center who can run floor & finish at rim. Plumlee fits good as that but could still land someone better. D. Davis reminds me of Henson so no need to draft him... Already paying him 11million.

 

You can not be a successful defense if in this scheme if your bigs can't switch and guard. Monroe can't.

[rwa12]

Agreed, YG, I think we had this talk last year. I was hopeful for the Monroe signing, it just didn't work out. Not only that, it proved that he wasn't a different player when separated from Drummond. He is what he is. The ideal C for this team is Larry Sanders, it's a shame that didn't work out.

[LouisEly]

Nate with the first mention of Ellenson in the last couple of pages of the thread. Wonder what people's thoughts are of him. Obviously he needs to improve on his outside shooting, but he was just a freshman. Poor man's Kevin Love? Love certainly had better stats as a Freshman at UCLA.

 

For their 2nd round, a guy I have liked for a while is Josh Scott of Colorado. Doesn't have the outside range, but he is a big body who wasn't afraid to rebound and can make his free throws. I think he can be a good PF off the bench. Joel Bolomboy has more of an outside game and certainly wasn't afraid to rebound; didn't play the level of competition that Scott played in the Pac-12 though.

 

WalterFootball.com has Oregon State's Gary Payton II going to the Bucks at #38. Oh the irony of Gary Payton having to go to Milwaukee to watch his son play...

[Boomer5]

Apparently George Hill was worth the 12th pick in the draft right now, so Id say Monroe is certainly worth more than a late round draft pick.

[fondybrewfan]

Bull traded Derrick Rose; maybe not unexpected but still incredible how far he has fallen.

 

Giannis wasn't playing a ton of really good competition when the Bucks drafted him either; but it was better than Canadian kids.

 

If Poeltl or Davis is the Pick at #10 I would love to trade Monroe for a pick next year and then somehow trade into the bottom 1/2 of Round #1 this year for a guy like Denzel Valentine, Demetrious Jackson, or Malik Beasley.

 

NBA draftexpress has the Bucks taking Ellenson at #10, Maker #36, and Onuako at #38. I don't really want any part of Ellenson at #10 (Maybe if they trade back) but getting Maker in the 2nd round would be pretty great.

[monkeyman343434]

Just curious why you guys think the Bucks should/will draft Poeltl? I feel like he's a worse/non-established version of Monroe (back to the basket or face up from about 12 feet from the bucket, true Center type) and everyone seems like they want to get rid of Monroe. I don't think he's athletic enough to be a rim protector in the NBA, but if he is, then I guess I'd be on board.

 

I really like Monroe's fit on this current team, but I agree with many who have posted before, in that you really have to limit the minutes he and Jabari are on the floor at the same time. I thought towards the end of last season, it was a great fit with Monroe coming in off of the bench and giving that scoring punch, the dude just knows how to score, and the Bucks don't have many types of guys like that. It's nice to have a guy you can throw the ball to in the post and slow things down and get you a bucket when the other team is on somewhat of a run.

 

I really like a starting frontcourt of Jabari and Plumlee or Henson, with Middleton and Giannis. I think the big thing is to figure out the 5th starter to go along with that group. Do you go with more of a point guard, or are they sold on Giannis being the point? I'd really like a "3 and D" type of wing to go with that starting group, no matter if they're 6' or 6'6''. Then you can bring in Monroe with whoever doesn't start between Henson and Plumlee off the bench, depending on game flow. Excited to see Ennis and Vaughn keep growing and improving.

 

With that all being said, I really hope they go with Timothe Luwawu. He's like 6'6 with a 6'11 wingspan, plays really good D and can hit the 3. Feel like he's the perfect type of gamble to take at #10 in this draft. If not him, I guess I can get on the Poeltl bandwagon as long as his D is actually good, just as good as Plumlee and Henson, and a better offensive game than those two, and if they deal Monroe, otherwise they're back to having too many bigs again, in a league that's trending towards small ball.

 

I believe they still have the #36 and #38 picks in the second round. A few guys I'd like to see them take fliers on would be Malcolm Brogdon, Ben Bentil, Kat Barber, Caris LeVert, Isaiah Whiteside, or a few other foreign players (maybe they'd stay in Europe another year or two) Rade Zagorac or Georgios Papagiannis.

[Jenkins5]

Ellenson would not be a good match for this team. It'd be great to have a big stretch the court the way he could HOWEVER once again, we need bigs who can defend the basket. Poeltl is pegged to be a guy who has ability to defend the basket. He also has offensive potential.

 

I'm all for Wade Baldwin Jr. Think he is a solid combo guard to replace MCW ( WBJr can actually shot). Trade to get extra 1st to take the upside/ceiling of Thon Maker

[LouisEly]

Thought I heard that next year's draft is supposed to be a lot better than this year's. Might want to get all the picks you can next year.

 

That being said, the Hawks are said to be shopping both #12 and #21 this year in order to get cap room to resign Horford and Bazemore. MCW is a RFA after next season; could he get #12? Not sure if Inglis or O'Bryant plus a 2nd rounder could get #21, but they are cheap and they do want to get rid of the guaranteed contracts that come with the picks.

[superfly]

If we can get out of tomorrow night with Deyonta Davis, Payton II, and Hammons/Bentil (assuming we stay put) I would be extremely elated. I'm more intrigued by Payton than I am some of the lottery picks...he's precisely what we need at the very least as a backup PG. MOAR tuffniss!

 

I'd like to see Monroe (and/or Henson) moved though. Get 3-4 good upside swings out of the draft and fill whatever need is created through FA. Pay Whiteside what he needs, if not take a stab on Noah and hope you can get a couple decent years out of him (and make sure we're protected behind him if he gets hurt). Jordan Clarkson if we want a guard with some upside.

[fondybrewfan]

I am not really in love with either David or Poeltl. I don't think Poeltl's game is going to translate very well and when watching MSU last year it seemed like Davis got lost in the shuffle a lot and disappeared. Poeltl could play right away but I don't think their is much upside there. Davis probably couldn't play right away and I would be fine with Plumlee / Henson. I would much rather get some guard help and if you can't get that trade back.

 

I could get behind Wade Baldwin. Shot over 40% from 3; between him and Vaughn I hope one of them one turn into that 3 point specialist / defense guy the team really needs

[rwa12]

I've read that the knock on Baldwin is that people don't like him. The leadership angle. Coaches and teammates at Vanderbilt were not impressed. I guess it's a concern, given that he is a PG, but not sure how much stock I put into it.

 

I really dislike all options at 10. Move up, move back, I just don't see much value at 10.

[nate82]

How about trading with the Celtics for 16 and 23 or 31 and then taking Furkan Korkmaz and Diamond Stone (at 23) or Stephen Zimmerman (at 31)?

 

That gives the Bucks a big who can run but will need to work on his defense he wouldn't be a bad player coming off of the bench as he learns to play defense. I think Korkmaz could be a Giannis type where he becomes better as he matures. He already has a good 3pt shot all he needs to learn now is how to drive to the basket another player who you could team up with Vaughn. He could also play the point as he is a very good passer but he needs to add weight if he is going to be a starter at SG.

[patrickgpe]

i think the 2 players that should be around 10 that i would like is Davis from MSU and Baldwin, either one would fill a need. Davis would bring a Larry Sanders like defensive minded player and Baldwin would be another shooter to add to the mix.

[abqbrewer]

Any chance we can trade up for Hield?

[brwrsfan]

Any chance we can trade up for Hield?

 

I'd love for this to happen, I've thought he'd be a great fit for months now but I just don't see it happening. There's quite a few teams in front of us that would want him and we don't really have that much ammo to use without giving up either a core young player or next year's first round pick (which I don't think would happen).

[patrickgpe]

i heard a rumor on WSSP (probably fan generated though) of 6 / contract for 10 / Monroe, this would allow the bucks to most likely get Held or Murray.

[fondybrewfan]

I would rather trade up for Jamal Murray if you want a guard. But you would probably need to get into the top 5 or maybe #3 to make that happen.

 

Theoretically if you could trade Middleton and Monroe to the Celtics for #3 and #16 plus maybe a player. You could get Murray at #3, Poeltl at #10, and Valentine at #16 and you would have a boatload of cap space to make a run at someone like Hassan Whiteside, Damar DeRozan, Dwight Howard, Etc.

 

End up with a lineup of

 

Giannis

Jamal Murray

Jabari Parker

Hassan Whiteside

?

 

With the Middleton rumors floating around I am having difficulties envisioning the Bucks getting better by trading him unless they nab a really high FA due to the cap space. Turning Middleton and Monroe into say DeRozan, Murray, Poeltl and someone from the Celtics sounds kind of appealing though.

[nate82]

The Bucks see Middleton as an untouchable player along with Parker and Giannis. The Bucks have already turned down a first round pick for Middleton from Boston. Not sure if it was #3 or one of their many first round picks but the Bucks have told the Celtics Middleton is not available along with Parker and Giannis. The Celtics also asked for Parker I think that would have been the #3 pick going to the Bucks then.

[Boomer5]

I would not trade Middleton unless it was Number 3 and Brooklyns 2017.

 

He is pretty much untouchable as the Bucks need more guys like him not less.

[nate82]

Not really thrilled with this pick.

 

Hopefully the Bucks can trade up into the 20's and get a guard.

[rwa12]

I like it. No difference makers available, so swing away. He's the Riley Pint of this draft, IMO

[DuWayne Steurer]

Feels like they're trying to get another giannis. Time will tell.