Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[superfly]

college basketball has been ruined by this. The stars are only around for 1 season, so by the time people know who they are they are gone. Shooting in the NCAA is bad because the best players are gone after 1 season.

 

What has it ruined? Did you not watch the title game this year? There have been some GREAT, even historic games recently, and the Badgers have even been part of a couple. I do agree it may have ruined the college education or joe schmo recognizing the Tyler Hansbroughs of the world, but the quality of the games being put out has been awesome.

[tmwiese55]

ESPN reports the 76ers are considering trading Okafor or Noel. I think Noel would be a good fit for the Bucks (although pretty much every team could use a center who is athletic and a plus defender with offensive potential). Do you think the Bucks could make a play? #10 pick packaged with Monroe? #10 pick with MCW and Vaughn?

 

Yea I'd love to find a way to get Noel from them. Seems to be the type of C i think fits well with this core. Maybe Vaughn and our #10. Anything involving Monroe/MCW would need to involve a 3rd team IMO. They won't want MCW back and Monroe is an overlap with Okafor.

[CheezWizHed]

While I don't consider Vaughn a core piece, I'd rather not trade him off either. I think he has some good potential as a 3pt shooter. And those are in great need by the Bucks...

[FVBrewerFan]

ESPN reports the 76ers are considering trading Okafor or Noel. I think Noel would be a good fit for the Bucks (although pretty much every team could use a center who is athletic and a plus defender with offensive potential). Do you think the Bucks could make a play? #10 pick packaged with Monroe? #10 pick with MCW and Vaughn?

 

Yea I'd love to find a way to get Noel from them. Seems to be the type of C i think fits well with this core. Maybe Vaughn and our #10. Anything involving Monroe/MCW would need to involve a 3rd team IMO. They won't want MCW back and Monroe is an overlap with Okafor.

 

I agree, this would be the type of deal that could work, but would require a 3rd team. That's real common in NBA trades though, so it is realistic.

[BrewBalls]

Noel might be to expensive for the Bucks to acquire. I would just prefer drafting a C (Poeltl or Davis) and letting Plumlee/Henson share minutes until our draftee is ready to contend for PT. We can still trade Monroe for the best package available.

 

My guess is Noel will be traded to the T-Wolves for Rubio and Thibs will be drafting Dunn as his replacement. Dunn, Lavine, Wiggins, KAT, Noel is a pretty scary young core.

[rwa12]

I agree that we probably don't want to give up the pieces it will take to get Noel. I actually enjoy Plumlee, and think he's not that far off from the center we need. I think you get the best package you can for Monroe, maybe a first round pick in the mid/late part of round, and a 3 and D guy. I'd be happy with that return. Use the first on Poetl, who I'm not a huge fan of, but may develop. Use the Monroe pick on a draft and stash, or a lottery ticket like Thon Maker.

[superfly]

News out that JKidd has received a 3 year, 18 mil extension. I like Kidd and the direction we're headed, but anyone want to clue me in on what he did to earn that after this year's underperformance? Not looking to fire the guy or anything, but if I underperform at my job I sure don't get a raise? lol

[DuWayne Steurer]

News out that JKidd has received a 3 year, 18 mil extension. I like Kidd and the direction we're headed, but anyone want to clue me in on what he did to earn that after this year's underperformance? Not looking to fire the guy or anything, but if I underperform at my job I sure don't get a raise? lol

 

 

Couple thoughts on that.....

 

While the team didn't take a step forward like we hoped they would, the important core players (Giannis, Middleton, and Parker) did take steps forward with their game. The Monroe experience turned out to be a downfall, and hopefully they'll move on from that.

 

The young guys seem to not only like playing for Kidd, but they learn and grow under him.

 

Secondly, Kidd seems to want to be here, and that matters. Milwaukee isn't exactly a "destination" job, so having a coach that not only CAN coach, but views the job as desirable, it matters. Having that continuity for this young group of players we hope is the core of our next contender is important (IMO).

[homer]

I don't have a huge problem with him as coach. I do, however, have a huge problem with him being involved in the draft and player acquisitions.

[BrewBalls]

I don't have a huge problem with him as coach. I do, however, have a huge problem with him being involved in the draft and player acquisitions.

I'm in the same boat. As a coach he gives the Bucks organization some clout with quality free agents and incoming prospects. Giannis, Jabari and Khris all seem to like him which is important and I think LED has squashed the notion of Kidd every being the GM since we have already hired Hammond's replacement. His overall presence does put Milwaukee back on the map and coaching continuity is always a plus when dealing with a young team.

[nate82]

I don't have a huge problem with him as coach. I do, however, have a huge problem with him being involved in the draft and player acquisitions.

 

I think the coach needs to be involved with the draft and player acquisitions it is the coach who is coaching the team so they do need to have some input on the players being acquired. Jason Kidd has had a little bit too much of an influence on who they are targeting though. I would agree with Kidd needing less of an input but he does need to be involved on who is being added to the team. Ultimately though the GM needs to be the one making the final decision on who the team acquires.

[Menotti80]

Met Jabari Parker tonight. Very nice guy, got a picture with him. As a huge Duke and Bucks fan, it was extra sweet!!!

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't have a huge problem with him as coach. I do, however, have a huge problem with him being involved in the draft and player acquisitions.

 

I think the coach needs to be involved with the draft and player acquisitions it is the coach who is coaching the team so they do need to have some input on the players being acquired. Jason Kidd has had a little bit too much of an influence on who they are targeting though. I would agree with Kidd needing less of an input but he does need to be involved on who is being added to the team. Ultimately though the GM needs to be the one making the final decision on who the team acquires.

 

Kidd's involvement in building the roster should be limited to letting front office know what type of players he wants/needs. For example, we need a 3 and D guy off the bench. We need a defense first Center who can run the floor. That sort of thing. He knows best what he needs from players to build the team, but let the talent evaluators make the calls on who those players are.

[tmwiese55]

Yes, any coach should be asked for input. But Kidd shouldn't be pulling the strings as defacto GM the way he supposedly has been. He had one a full year at it and did the MCW trade, Monroe signing, traded a 1st rd pick for Vasquez, traded Zaza and Dudley for literally nothing (fine to trade them but at least get a legit 2nd rounder back), attempted to trade some of the young core at the deadline for Howard until the owners vetoed it. Yes, he is a horrible GM.

[davego]

Little off-topic, but good for Cleveland and LeBron. Fun series.

[BrewBalls]

Most years its never a good idea to trade back in the 1st since quality trumps quantity in the NBA. But this season there is a significant drop off past the top 8 players and then it remains pretty level into the early 20s. Thus said, I want the Bucks to trade #10 to Denver for #15 and #19. Draft Baldwin/Jackson at #15 and Zizic at #19. We now have our PG and C of the future to go along with our Giannis, Jabari and Khris. We can add some depth in the second round (Brodgon and Cornelie). Then resign Plumlee, offer Dudley a contract to return and trade Monroe to Portland for Ed Davis.

 

PG - Baldwin/Jackson, MCW, Ennis

SG - Middleton, Brogdon, Vaughn

SF - Parker, Dudley, Inglis

PF - Giannis, Davis, Cornelie

C - Plumlee, Henson, Zizic

[patrickgpe]

yeah i rarely remember having so many different players in various mocks, will make for an interesting thursday. i also would like the bucks to try to trade back into the end of the 1st with their 2 2nd round picks if a team is looking to get out of a guaranteed contract.

[statman0007]

I agree that there is a drop-off at the top 8. My preference would be to try to trade up a couple picks and then package the two 2nd round picks to get into the late 1st. I wonder if Sacramento would consider #8 for #10 and MCW. If Rondo leaves they have an opening at PG. Perhaps they would have less of a problem with MCW's shortcomings as they are similar to what Rondo's are. My dream is that this would happen and then Murray would drop to 8 (unlikely but not impossible).

[RobDeer 45]

Bucks are shopping Greg Monroe hard right now, is the word on the street.

[Boomer5]

I have no idea why the Bucks cant find a use for Monroe. 16/9 and meh D is exactly what he was when they signed him.

 

I have seen anywhere from 31 and 51 from the Celtics (puke) to 16 from the Celtics. Id rather keep him than trade him for that. Give us the 3 or Brooklyn's 2017 pick if they want him so bad.

 

Henson to Center then? The guy that no coach seemed to ever want to start?

 

The other rumor is they are going hard for Delly. If it is a buy low after his horrible play offs that I guess, but I have a feeling it will be some 4/54 type deal.

 

I will never get the Bucks franchise and direction.

[Baldkin]

Monroe doesn't fit with the current team. You simply cannot play two horrible defenders at the same time and hope to win in the NBA, and both Jabari and Monroe are horrible.

 

They thought he would grow, would try, and would become a better player when freed from playing next to Drummond.

 

None of that happened. All he did was yell "AND ONE" every time he missed and not get back on defense.

[patrickgpe]

This will probably one of the more crazier drafts, there are so many players bunched from 8-20, teams will be OK with trading picks. I have no idea where the bucks will go, they obviously have more than 1 need. They need to get a big, a shooter (since the jury is out on Vaughn), and a point.

 

I'll officially predict that they take Poeltl

[rwa12]

I think Poetl makes some sense for what they are doing, but I don't think he is that much different than Henson, and at the risk of repeating myself, I think Plumlee is the best fit at Center. I think we can get away with using him and Henson at the 5. I want shooting in this draft, and a PG that play defense and run an offense (a younger Bayless is fine with me). I would give Monroe away for a late 1, a 3 and D packaged with a 2nd, just about anything. The guy just doesn't work on this team. There are teams that could use him, earn some player cred by moving him to one of those teams. Out of this draft, I'd like the Turkish guy. I'd also be intrigued by Thon Maker. He's got some boom or bust, but so did Giannis. I'd love to get Kris Dunn, but just can't see that happening. I'll be surprised if we stay at 10, I think we either try to move up or back, hopefully packaging Monroe in some way. I'd love to get out from under Vazquez, but not sure who in their right mind would take him.

[Boomer5]

I think Poetl makes some sense for what they are doing, but I don't think he is that much different than Henson, and at the risk of repeating myself, I think Plumlee is the best fit at Center. I think we can get away with using him and Henson at the 5. I want shooting in this draft, and a PG that play defense and run an offense (a younger Bayless is fine with me). I would give Monroe away for a late 1, a 3 and D packaged with a 2nd, just about anything. The guy just doesn't work on this team. There are teams that could use him, earn some player cred by moving him to one of those teams. Out of this draft, I'd like the Turkish guy. I'd also be intrigued by Thon Maker. He's got some boom or bust, but so did Giannis. I'd love to get Kris Dunn, but just can't see that happening. I'll be surprised if we stay at 10, I think we either try to move up or back, hopefully packaging Monroe in some way. I'd love to get out from under Vazquez, but not sure who in their right mind would take him.

 

There is a lot of options but I wouldnt just give away Monroe. The lowest I would take is 16 and even that we wouldnt be getting fair value. Just because we cant or wont use him doesnt mean he is worthless. We dont need the cap room and his contract isnt all that bad anyhow.

 

If they stay at 10, I agree the pick should be Poetl.

[Boomer5]

Thon Maker is the Youtube darling. His highlights are insane but it is against a bunch of Canadian hs kids.

 

Is that like when Yi was posting up vs a chair and we drafted him anyhow?