Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[fondybrewfan]

If we are going to have a disgruntled MCW we might as not have him at all. Giannis is the PG and Ennis is basically his backup so there isn't much room for another PG anyways. Especially one that can't shoot.

 

I have seen a lot of Jacob Poetl rumors going to the Bucks. If he turns out nearly as good as the last international big guy we took from Utah I would be happy. Poetl is still pretty raw though.

[paul253]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this because it's just one comment, but I didn't know where else to put it. Anyway, it looks as if the new Bucks arena will include the ability to hold an NHL approved ice rink. That's great news to me. I was pissed at the thought of never having the Frozen Four in Milwaukee again and now I'd say it's likely. I think they'll also shoot for some NHL exhibition games. I'd love to see them bring the Big 10 hockey tournament in as well. And even though I know it's very unlikely, it at least keeps my dream of an NHL franchise alive. I just wonder how well a match an ice rink in a basketball arena will be for hockey. I know the new arena the NY Islanders play in is a pretty bad setup for hockey.

[Baldkin]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this because it's just one comment, but I didn't know where else to put it. Anyway, it looks as if the new Bucks arena will include the ability to hold an NHL approved ice rink. That's great news to me. I was pissed at the thought of never having the Frozen Four in Milwaukee again and now I'd say it's likely. I think they'll also shoot for some NHL exhibition games. I'd love to see them bring the Big 10 hockey tournament in as well. And even though I know it's very unlikely, it at least keeps my dream of an NHL franchise alive. I just wonder how well a match an ice rink in a basketball arena will be for hockey. I know the new arena the NY Islanders play in is a pretty bad setup for hockey.

 

If they do it right, it can be amazing (take the Kohl Center, for an example).

[CheezWizHed]

I would assume that the Milwaukee Admirals would play there also. Its not NHL, but "almost". And I have a lot of friends that really enjoy the games (as did I when I lived in Milwaukee).

[BrewBalls]

1. Trade Monroe, MCW, and #10 to Sacramento for Collision, Casspi, Koufos and #8?

 

2. Trade Henson to Toronto for Ross

 

3. Sign Plumlee (3yrs/$24MM)

 

4. Sign Motiejunas (4yrs/$36MM)

 

5. Draft Luwawu (8), LaVert (36) and Onuaku (38).

 

PG - Giannis, Collison, Ennis

SG - Ross, Vaughn, LaVert

SF - Middleton, Casspi, Luwawu

PF - Parker, Motiejunas, Inglis

C - Plumlee, Koufos, Onuaku

 

This lineup adds more shooting and defense to the starting lineup along with a deeper bench and some high upside guys in the draft who need and have time to develop.

[young guns]

Ive heard the admirals are not going to be playing there. I think they said they will be playing where uwm plays basketball, but i dont remeber.

[paul253]

Admirals are moving into the Panther Arena starting next season. They aren't even finishing out the Bradley Centers time. For sure not playing in the new arena.

[ELCABALLO45]

1. Trade Monroe, MCW, and #10 to Sacramento for Collision, Casspi, Koufos and #8?

 

2. Trade Henson to Toronto for Ross

 

3. Sign Plumlee (3yrs/$24MM)

 

4. Sign Motiejunas (4yrs/$36MM)

 

5. Draft Luwawu (8), LaVert (36) and Onuaku (38).

 

PG - Giannis, Collison, Ennis

SG - Ross, Vaughn, LaVert

SF - Middleton, Casspi, Luwawu

PF - Parker, Motiejunas, Inglis

C - Plumlee, Koufos, Onuaku

 

This lineup adds more shooting and defense to the starting lineup along with a deeper bench and some high upside guys in the draft who need and have time to develop.

 

Just a couple thoughts on this...

 

The Kings wouldn't want Monroe. They have Cousins , and even if you think they are going to trade them they also have Willie Cauley Stein as well.

 

Toronto also has a good center in Jonas Valanciunas , and their back up Bismack Biyombo is a really good defensive player who is playing extremely well with JV out in the playoffs.

 

I do love the idea of trying to get Ross away from Toronto though.

[Jenkins5]

I think Bucks need to trade Monroe, I like him a lot as a player but just doesn't fit what we ned on this team. We need Plumlee / Howard type guys who can play defense/ protect rim, clean up around basket offensively, run floor in transition.

 

MCW I think is a good piece of the bench. Don't care if he is traded or not.

 

Really IMO we need to get one of Murray, Dunn, or Baldwin the 4th. They all have ability to be very good starting PG's but size and shooting to be combo guys. Dunn & Baldwin IV (who is rising fast!) are my top two. Giannis is NOT a PG! He is a Point Forward just like LeBron. He will not guard a PG. James is a Point Forward and has Irving. Giannis can have Dunn or Baldwin. Not that anyone on here really is taking that side that Giannis is our sole PG of future but some are out there. They act like PG isn't a need because we have Giannis and that is 100% false.

 

C Howard (I wouldn't mind, he fits our need of the type of Center we must have)

PF Parker

SF Giannis (Point Forward)

SG Middleton

PG Baldwin IV (was a 40% 3pt shooter in college, best overall, explosive measurables in NBA combine

 

Plumlee, Henson, Vaughn, MCW, Ennis off bench

[rwa12]

I wouldn't touch Howard with a 10 foot pole, the rest I agree with. He's a locker room cancer, injury prone, and on the downside of his career. Not a fan. I think Poetel will be the name everyone talks about, I didn't like watching him get dominated by Sabonis. I would love Dunn, but I can't imagine he drops. I'm good with Baldwin, I don't know much about the overseas guys. Not the best draft for high end talent, this feels like a role player draft.

[patrickgpe]

my initial guesses at 10 are Valentine or Jackson. If they want to go big I'd look at Labissiere.

[Jenkins5]

Labissiere is an extremely raw John Henson. He was benched at UK. It is players like him that make me dislike the NBA draft system so much!He is a guy who needs three years in college to develop. He is going to be drafted, ride the bench and not develop properly because he is too weak, to raw, and can't get the valuable minutes. The team will eventually quit on him and he will because a league journeyman, playing overseas, in the D-League, or out completely.

 

If it was up to me, you would need to play three years of college before entering UNLESS you have a consensus top 10 draft grade. If a kid is a lock like Ingram or Simmons to be a top 5-top 10 pick after freshman year (Maybe even include a top 5 grade for a high school kid) then let them in. They may have a future. For overseas, 20 years of age and two years removed from High School graduation (for the Brandon Jennings type). 20 years old for international players. Remember that is all IF they do not receive a top 10 grade.

 

There is such a rush to get these guys into the league and very raw do they actually amount to much right away. Back in the day, guys came into the NBA with the ability to make an impact, now you know it may be 2-3 years before they ever show much.

 

Diamond Stone, I personally think is nearly undraftable! He is fat, weak, slow, skill set is under developed offensively and defensively. He needed 2-3 more years of college..... now his NBA career is very unbright.

 

Rant over

[patrickgpe]

this is the problem, players now get paid to develop in the NBA rather than college. As a Marquette season ticket holder, it is obvious that Ellenson COULD be a good NBA player but needs 2 years to develop, but still he will be a lottery pick, so he would be dumb to not leave. I agree with your assessment with Labissiere, my thinking is that the bucks could be patient with him . I think Valentine is the most projectable and safest lottery pick, if the bucks just want a solid shooter.

[Baldkin]

If you don't think players can develop faster when basketball is their full time job and they have access to professional coaches who can work with them on incredibly specific things, professional nutritionists and older pro players to gleam wisdom off of.... well... I'm surprised.

 

Game-time minutes are the absolutely last thing players need to develop. #1 is motivation. #2 is time in the gym with a coach.

[tmwiese55]

If you don't think players can develop faster when basketball is their full time job and they have access to professional coaches who can work with them on incredibly specific things, professional nutritionists and older pro players to gleam wisdom off of.... well... I'm surprised.

 

Game-time minutes are the absolutely last thing players need to develop. #1 is motivation. #2 is time in the gym with a coach.

 

Exactly what I was going to say. Yes, Skal after year 3 at Kentucky will be better and more prepared than now, of course. Skal after 1 year at UK and then two years of NBA training though is much better than the Skal with 3 years at Kentucky. There is actually a rule in college that doesn't allow coaches to work with players for more than a small amount of hours each week. And yes of course some guys will got lost in the life and not put in the work or whatever, which could happen just as much later on after more years in college. More importantly this is America and the individual should be able to choose his path and have the right to make money, and frankly I have no idea how these leagues have gotten away with blatant age discrimination like they have.

[davego]

Agreed on the age piece. If an NBA (or any professional team) wants to draft an 18-year-old; so be it.

[patrickgpe]

If you don't think players can develop faster when basketball is their full time job and they have access to professional coaches who can work with them on incredibly specific things, professional nutritionists and older pro players to gleam wisdom off of.... well... I'm surprised.

 

Game-time minutes are the absolutely last thing players need to develop. #1 is motivation. #2 is time in the gym with a coach.

 

Exactly what I was going to say. Yes, Skal after year 3 at Kentucky will be better and more prepared than now, of course. Skal after 1 year at UK and then two years of NBA training though is much better than the Skal with 3 years at Kentucky. There is actually a rule in college that doesn't allow coaches to work with players for more than a small amount of hours each week. And yes of course some guys will got lost in the life and not put in the work or whatever, which could happen just as much later on after more years in college. More importantly this is America and the individual should be able to choose his path and have the right to make money, and frankly I have no idea how these leagues have gotten away with blatant age discrimination like they have.

I agree with you and that wasn't my point. In the nfl if you are a first round pick and don't contribute thats an issue, in the nba as players get younger and younger, there is no expectation to contribute for 2 seasons. They aren't ready.

[patrickgpe]

If you don't think players can develop faster when basketball is their full time job and they have access to professional coaches who can work with them on incredibly specific things, professional nutritionists and older pro players to gleam wisdom off of.... well... I'm surprised.

 

Game-time minutes are the absolutely last thing players need to develop. #1 is motivation. #2 is time in the gym with a coach.

The issue with the NBA draft is that most players are getting drafted 2-3 years before NFL players. In NFL if you are a first round pick and cant contribute on day 1, there is an issue. In the nba players are not ready when they are drafted. I agree with your points that once basketball is their full time job and NCAA rules are no longer applicable with regards to coaching and practice times, you will naturally improve.

 

It is sad that a player who was a great college player in Denzel Valentine actually has a negative listed as being 23 one NBA opening night.

 

I understand that this is how its going to be from now on, and basketball is naturally going the route of baseball with more teams owning their own NBDL teams.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I look at it this way. Would Giannis have matured into the type of player he is by playing two more years in Greece with the coaches he has there? Or by playing sparingly in his first year in the NBA (with NBA coaches) and learning and understanding the NBA game?

 

Sure, the Bucks spent the first 2 years of his rookie contract basically developing him, but the reward is here now, as he's on the verge of becoming one of the top 15 or 20 players in the league (if he's not already there). If he stays in Milwaukee (which appears likely) long term, the risk/reward is absolutely worth it.

[tmwiese55]

If you don't think players can develop faster when basketball is their full time job and they have access to professional coaches who can work with them on incredibly specific things, professional nutritionists and older pro players to gleam wisdom off of.... well... I'm surprised.

 

Game-time minutes are the absolutely last thing players need to develop. #1 is motivation. #2 is time in the gym with a coach.

The issue with the NBA draft is that most players are getting drafted 2-3 years before NFL players. In NFL if you are a first round pick and cant contribute on day 1, there is an issue. In the nba players are not ready when they are drafted. I agree with your points that once basketball is their full time job and NCAA rules are no longer applicable with regards to coaching and practice times, you will naturally improve.

 

It is sad that a player who was a great college player in Denzel Valentine actually has a negative listed as being 23 one NBA opening night.

 

I understand that this is how its going to be from now on, and basketball is naturally going the route of baseball with more teams owning their own NBDL teams.

 

Yea that's not untrue. I just don't see why it's a problem. I guess the argument is it diminishes the overall current roster with a couple spots for development but they can have 15 peopleon the roster so I don't see the issue. If anything I think it's good, football players destroy their body for 3-4 years for free. It's a free market, if there wasn't value in it then teams wouldn't draft them and the kids get to be paid for their work. I think it's the american way.

 

The solution to your issue though isn't demanding guys stay in college because you're just going to see more and more go overseas. The solution is for the NBA to actually pay legit money in the D League so it is truly a minor league for the bigs so they'll want their guys down there playing instead of riding the bench. Yes it will hurt college basketball and I love college basketball, but the NCAA system is just corrupt and really overall unfair to the big time bball and football players.

[patrickgpe]

college basketball has been ruined by this. The stars are only around for 1 season, so by the time people know who they are they are gone. Shooting in the NCAA is bad because the best players are gone after 1 season.

[tmwiese55]

I don't know, kids have been going pro out of HS or after 1 year consistently for 20 years now and NCAAB seems to be doing just fine. I actually think it would be better to let them go pro out of HS to reduce the 1 and done gimmicks the last few years. Plus, you know they're 18 so should be allowed to work for pay.

 

Actually now that I think about a bit a compromise that could really work is what baseball does, you can sign with the NBA out of HS or decline and commit to college for 3 years. Yes, a lot will just declare or play overseas but at least the college game will get back to what it's supposed to be instead of the pro feeder system it is now.

[patrickgpe]

this could be posted here or in the brewers triple A thread, but since its bucks centric, i'll put it here.

 

bucks looking at Oshkosh for an NBDL affliate (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/oshkosh-group-discussing-d-league-affiliate-with-bucks-b99732190z1-380909901.html)

 

I know the NBDL is nowhere near triple A baseball, but its interesting that the bucks are not concerned to put a minor league affiliate 1 1/2 away, when some on this board thought the brewers were concerned about putting their top affiliate in Madison.

[nate82]

this could be posted here or in the brewers triple A thread, but since its bucks centric, i'll put it here.

 

bucks looking at Oshkosh for an NBDL affliate (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/oshkosh-group-discussing-d-league-affiliate-with-bucks-b99732190z1-380909901.html)

 

I know the NBDL is nowhere near triple A baseball, but its interesting that the bucks are not concerned to put a minor league affiliate 1 1/2 away, when some on this board thought the brewers were concerned about putting their top affiliate in Madison.

 

I think the Bucks have specifically stated that they want an NBDL affiliate as close as possible within 90 min of Milwaukee.

[statman0007]

ESPN reports the 76ers are considering trading Okafor or Noel. I think Noel would be a good fit for the Bucks (although pretty much every team could use a center who is athletic and a plus defender with offensive potential). Do you think the Bucks could make a play? #10 pick packaged with Monroe? #10 pick with MCW and Vaughn?