Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[superfly]

23 games under and giving away a lottery pick for MCW can't be explained away. Maybe Knight gets hurt in Milwaukee, maybe not. I'm amazingly frustrated that in 17 months the Bucks can lose 23 more games then they win...and we assume the leadership is actually trying to put together a viable product.

 

 

Not having a stopper on defense at C really hurt this team more than alot of people think. Henson is probably supposed to become that guy, but he was out half the year. Larry Sanders WAS the guy, and he blew up in flames. Monroe, while a good player who has trade value, did not work out for this team...he's a seive on defense.

 

I'm not ready to give up on MCW. Flawed he might be, but last year he was elite on defense. The real elephant in the room is Jabari Parker's defense, because when that is combined with Monroe's nonexistent D it's really hard for us to run the system like we did pre- Larry Sanders debacle. That's why we looked into and almost got Dwight Howard at the deadline.

 

Priority #1 for me this offseason is to trade Greg Monroe and try to sign Al Horford or Hassan Whiteside. Surely Kidd can see the Monroe experiment didn't work.

 

Priority #2 is to keep Giannis / Parker healthy, focused, and developing. Giannis is probably going to be a top 3 player in the league in the near future.

 

Priority #3 is to draft Jamal Murray. Middleton can't do it all, in fact I think he might be best as a 6th man personally. Murray can replace OJ Mayo with the youngster Vaughn continuing to develop.

 

 

I have no idea how it would work financially (if it can), nor if he'd ever leave but if you could pry Conley away from Memphis i'd move away from MCW. It does appear Ennis might have a future with us though, so i'd like to keep him and see if he continues to develop.

[Baldkin]

23 games under and giving away a lottery pick for MCW can't be explained away. Maybe Knight gets hurt in Milwaukee, maybe not. I'm amazingly frustrated that in 17 months the Bucks can lose 23 more games then they win...and we assume the leadership is actually trying to put together a viable product.

 

The Bucks were also a total of 47 games under .500 with Brandon Knight as their starting Point Guard.

 

So, what exactly are you saying?

 

Brandon Knight wasn't the issue, before or after the trade. It was having the best bench in the league for the first half of 2014-2015, then having everyone get hurt, then giving away that depth for nothing in return this off season, plus trading a first and second round pick for a lack of depth in Vasquez.

[fondybrewfan]

Priority #1 - Giannis works on his jump shot

Priority #2 - Parker works on his jump shot

 

Really if both Parker and Giannis develop a solid 3 point game; I don't care if MCW can't shoot or if Monroe isn't the greatest defender in the world. It would be extremely difficult to guard the Bucks if those guys start shooting. In an ideal world I would like a more athletic 5 to take over for Monroe. Bucks will probably be picking around 10 and there likely won't be a sure thing around at that point. I don't think Jamal Murray will be around at that point and I don't think there is a really pure scorer that will go in the 8-12 range based on the mock drafts I have seen. Nbadraft.net has them taking Jaylen Brown from Cal at #9 and Melo Trimble and Wade Baldwin in Round #2. I actually would like those Round 2 picks but Jaylen Brown does nothing for me; volume shooter who shot 43% for the year including 30% from 3 and only 65% from FT.

[FVBrewerFan]

Absolutely, been saying that forever. Giannis and Parker's ceilings are as high as their jump shots will take them. Already saw them both have more confidence in their 3 balls at the end of the season, hopefully that carries over and gets even better.

 

The other encouraging thing is they are both starting to draw more fouls, or better put getting the calls.

 

They really do need to replace Monroe with an athletic center that can get out and challenge 3s, be a rim protector, play help defense, etc. (I would actually love to have TWO more guys like that, but that's asking a lot.)

 

Finally, even if Giannis and Parker improve 3 point shooting, they still need other guys coming off the bench that can shoot. Maybe Vaughn is one, too early to tell. Bayless could be another, they need a couple guys like Bayless. Seems so often the opposing team has 7 or 8 guys that can bury a 3. That differential in 3 point shooting really killed them this year.

 

As for the draft, I looked at several different boards, and the names are all over the place after the first two consensus picks. I still don't think they're at the point to worry about "need." Address need through trades and FA. Take best player/ highest ceiling guy.

[superfly]

Ain't Bucks related, but since there isn't another NBA thread...

 

Kobe Bryant.

[brwrsfan]

I'd really love them to find a way to get Buddy Hield, but I can't see any scenario that happens really barring a trade. He's not going to fall to the 10 range and he's not necessarily going to be a top 3 pick either if we get lucky in the lottery. I think he'd be a great fit for this offense though.

 

And Kobe last night...that was fun. Despite not ever really liking the guy, it's hard not to respect what he did on a basketball court.

[fondybrewfan]

50 shots in one game is quite the accomplishment. I have no problem with it; clearly the guy deserved to go out swinging.

 

Bucks have no shot at Heild I don't think unless they trade up. I don't like a lot of the names around 10 where the Bucks will be picking.

 

Sounds like their might be some kind of shakeup with Hammond and Kidd; something will probably go down there.

[FVBrewerFan]

I don't like a lot of the names around 10 where the Bucks will be picking.

 

I don't either. I wouldn't even mind them taking Stone there. Boom or bust. An athletic 7 footer, not sure about his head, but when I see a few of the names available around 10 they're all meh. So you may as well go for high ceiling.

[patrickgpe]

i should know this, but is there a coin flip to break the 3 way tie to figure out what spot do the bucks get in the lottery, do all 3 teams though have the same % chance to move up then?

[patrickgpe]

I don't like a lot of the names around 10 where the Bucks will be picking.

 

I don't either. I wouldn't even mind them taking Stone there. Boom or bust. An athletic 7 footer, not sure about his head, but when I see a few of the names available around 10 they're all meh. So you may as well go for high ceiling.

 

I'm a homer, but i like Ellenson and Jaylen Brown, the 2 mock drafts that i regularly view (draft express and nbadraft.net have different opinions on who will be around so its hard to figure out what could be available at 8-10.

[Baldkin]

i should know this, but is there a coin flip to break the 3 way tie to figure out what spot do the bucks get in the lottery, do all 3 teams though have the same % chance to move up then?

 

My understanding is that it's a coin flip for who gets the higher pick if no one moves up. However the # of lottery balls will be split among those who are tied for the chance to move up. So if 3 teams are tied, 8,9,10... and normally their odds are 10%, 8% and 6% (for example) they would all end up with an 8% chance to move up.

 

Also, playing guys 40 minutes and beating the 76ers in overtime basically cost the Bucks 10% higher chance at getting a top 3 pick. Sigh.

[GAME05]

If the NBA doesn't like teams tanking for lottery balls, why not establish the draft chances before the end of the season? Most teams won't start tanking if they're still four games off of the #8 seed, and after that day teams like the 76ers and Bucks could still play to win since it wouldn't effect their lottery chances.

 

I'm optimistic about next season, especially for the thought that we could get a decent player back in a trade of Monroe during the offseason.

[FVBrewerFan]

One solution is to seed lottery teams in reverse order of their record. So first team out of the playoffs gets the #1 pick, and so on. Or, probably more doable, just give every non-playoff team an equal number of balls. That seems to be the easiest and fairest solution. Nothing will stop it completely, but that would help.

[Baldkin]

One solution is to seed lottery teams in reverse order of their record. So first team out of the playoffs gets the #1 pick, and so on. Or, probably more doable, just give every non-playoff team an equal number of balls. That seems to be the easiest and fairest solution. Nothing will stop it completely, but that would help.

 

I just don't see how it's a problem. Everyone keeps wanting to say it's a problem, but it isn't.

 

Why is it fair that the Bulls have the same shot at the #1 pick as the 76ers or TWolves or Lakers? Because they dealt with injuries all year and that's the only reason they missed the playoffs?

[Funketown]

I like the idea of a lottery playoff between the worst 4 or 8 teams, something like a best of 3 series.

 

I'm not sure how that would distort incentives, but clearly you wouldn't want to do a 76ers style "process". Mostly though, I think it would be amusing to watch.

[patrickgpe]

I don't understand why the NBA and NFL has different cultures when it comes to tanking. NFL teams try to win every week no matter draft picks, they are righting for jobs next season. In the NBA, the last few weeks are full of teams trying to out tank each other. In the NFL no team would try what the 76ers are doing.

 

I don't think there is any way to fix this. I do not like the lottery because #1 it hasn't shown to minimize tanking, #2 it often puts high picks in teams that don't really need it, thus creating less competitive balance.

[davego]

I think in the NFL game, there is more of the "I'm going to get my brains beat in" if I don't compete. Where in basketball (and I played a lot of basketball) you can soft-petal on defense and not get physically pounded.

[davego]

I'm not advocating for this, but I have seen some ideas where the lottery is just tossed out. Each team gets to draft #1 once every 30 years, then #2 and so on. That would be different...

[Baldkin]

It absolutely happens in the NFL. It doesn't get publicized as much.

 

If you think the Colts signed all the best players possible and thought they'd make the playoffs the year Peyton Manning missed and ended up with the worst record and Andrew Luck.... I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for ya.

 

The players play in the NBA, the difference is by far and away, 1 player makes more of a difference. The best players are gotten by picking in the top 5.

 

The players aren't throwing games in the NBA. Management puts together a young team, rests guys, etc, etc.

 

If you want competitive balance in the NBA, 1 thing needs to happen: Remove the salary ceiling for free agents. The most underpaid players are the top-10 to 20 guys in the league (and the players on their first 4 year contract).

[patrickgpe]

bucks lost all tie breakers and are most likely picking 10th in the draft.

 

http://www.brewhoop.com/2016/4/15/11440232/nba-draft-lottery-tiebreaker-results-bucks-kings-nuggets

 

like i previously posted mock drafts are all over the place, so i have no idea what players to begin wanting the bucks to target.

[davego]

Oh, agreed that front offices and not players tank. I was just stating that football tends to have less of this due to the nature of the game. Tanking seems to be more of an anomaly in the NFL.

[patrickgpe]

Oh, agreed that front offices and not players tank. I was just stating that football tends to have less of this due to the nature of the game. Tanking seems to be more of an anomaly in the NFL.

could also have a lot to do with safety. For example, The Bucs drafted Jameous Winston to be their franchise QB for 10 years, if you do not put together a competent OL, you risk serious injury. If you have a young stud basketball player and put him with 4 scrubs, it really doesn't mean he has a better chance for injury.

[nate82]

Oh, agreed that front offices and not players tank. I was just stating that football tends to have less of this due to the nature of the game. Tanking seems to be more of an anomaly in the NFL.

could also have a lot to do with safety. For example, The Bucs drafted Jameous Winston to be their franchise QB for 10 years, if you do not put together a competent OL, you risk serious injury. If you have a young stud basketball player and put him with 4 scrubs, it really doesn't mean he has a better chance for injury.

 

Good example of this is Tim Couch and David Carr more so Carr than Couch. Neither ever had a chance to suceed in the NFL as QB's. I am not sure if the Browns are an obvious tank job or if their front office is extremely bad at player management.

[CheezWizHed]

i should know this, but is there a coin flip to break the 3 way tie to figure out what spot do the bucks get in the lottery, do all 3 teams though have the same % chance to move up then?

 

My understanding is that it's a coin flip for who gets the higher pick if no one moves up. However the # of lottery balls will be split among those who are tied for the chance to move up. So if 3 teams are tied, 8,9,10... and normally their odds are 10%, 8% and 6% (for example) they would all end up with an 8% chance to move up.

 

Also, playing guys 40 minutes and beating the 76ers in overtime basically cost the Bucks 10% higher chance at getting a top 3 pick. Sigh.

 

The balls didn't divide into three equally, so the Bucks got one ball fewerthan the other two teams. Bucks got 18, Kings and Nuggets got 19 each.

[davego]

So...MCW wants out is the rumor. I wonder what team in China is a good fit for him?