Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[CheezWizHed]

I missed the Suns game, but the Bucks played pretty well on the road against GS. Unfortunately, they went ice-cold at the end and made some dumb turn-overs.

 

Plumlee was shockingly good in that game. I've never seen him so active offensively or defensively.

 

And I have to admit that I like the black jerseys... I'm not crazy about the new buck head logo, but the rest of it looks good.

[FVBrewerFan]

I was watching a GS feed of the game last night and their announcers said the same thing. "If the Bucks can play like this, why are they below .500?"

 

I know what you're saying, but if you look at the stats it's actually amazing the Bucks have won as many games as they have. Near or at the bottom of the league in many important categories.

[CheezWizHed]

There always seem to be certain teams that match-up well or present matchup problems for certain teams. I think our defensive matchups for Cleveland (Giannis on LeBron) and GS (MCW on Curry) are reasons why we tend to play well with those teams. Defensive speed and length matchup well on those two.

[BrewBalls]

There always seem to be certain teams that match-up well or present matchup problems for certain teams. I think our defensive matchups for Cleveland (Giannis on LeBron) and GS (MCW on Curry) are reasons why we tend to play well with those teams. Defensive speed and length matchup well on those two.

Its hard to say MCW matches up well against Curry when he has averaged 27.0pts/8.5reb/7.0ast in their two meeting this season. I understand what we are trying to say but i feel Monroe give GS more of a match up issue than MCW.

[CheezWizHed]

Curry is averaging 31.8 pts, 45.3% on 3ptrs, and 52.0% shooting overall.

Against the Bucks, he is 27.0pts, 26.7% on 3ptrs, and 47.2% shooting overall.

 

Yes, he is getting his points, but he is working harder for them also. From watching the games, he is getting some "easy" rebound/put-back bunnies off other people's misses. But that also means the offense is being instigated by someone else and not Curry. He isn't getting his easy 3ptrs.

 

I'm not sure how to find any stats that show Curry vs. MCW directly, but from watching the game, MCW's length disrupts Curry's deep shooting greatly.

[BrewBalls]

Trade #1: Monroe and Bayless for Rolo, O'Quinn and Galloway

Trade #2: Mayo, Henson and MCW for Teague and Splitter

 

Draft Poeltl (1st) and Hield (2nd)

 

Resign Jared Dudley (3yrs/$21MM)

 

PG - Teague, Galloway, Ennis

SG - Middleton, Vaughn, Hield

SF - Giannis, Dudley, Inglis

PF - Parker, O'Quinn, JOB

C - Rolo, Poeltl, Splitter

[superfly]

Overall this is turning into a fairly disappointing season, but they just don't seem deep enough as a team to hang with the good ones. Rashad Vaughn's playing time is slowly ramping up though, nice to see him progressing.

 

Might be a good time to grab his autographs before he blows up. Lol

[fondybrewfan]

While Monroe has put up some solid stats he is clearly not a very good fit with the rest of the roster. I would see what the trade market for him is. They need a good defensive C that can get up and down the floor, not a plodder in Monroe.

 

Vaughn has shown some nice promise in the last couple of weeks. HE is still very young and hopefully he can turn into a valuable SG. Either through the draft or trade they need to be looking at a PG and a more mobile C. This season is pretty much lost but at least they have put themselves in a position to get another solid player in the draft next year.

 

NBAdraft.net currently has them taking the 7 footer from Utah. I think he is a pretty mobile guy who would fit in pretty nicely. Buddy Heild from OK is having an amazing year; he could definitely be a great addition as a shooter.

 

FWIW that site has Nigel Hayes as a mid-second rounder. I would be curious to see if Hayes would be willing to leave UW for that.

[Baldkin]

Hayes could've been a mid 2nd last year -- doubt he leaves for that.

 

Monroe isn't the problem. The problem is the defensive scheme and playing two guys huge minutes who can't handle the scheme together.

 

Jabari is horrible defensively and Monroe is mediocre.

 

Asking Monroe to blitz pick 'n rolls is asking for trouble, and asking Jabari to do anything more than guard the guy in front of him... leaves him completely lost.

[recte44]

Is Jabari going to be a bust? He certainly hasn't shown much.

[fondybrewfan]

I don't think you can call him a bust yet, but if he doesn't develop that 3 point shot in the near future it will be a disappointment. Plus he is a poor defender.

 

The kid is still coming back from knee surgery so I think this is a feeling out year for him. He needs to take a big leap next year.

[davego]

Jabari is only 20 and really still in his rookie year. He isn't very good on D yet and still pretty average on offense. He simply has to play, but we need to build a defensive scheme (as Baldkin points out) that fits our players. The Packers don't try to play a 4-3 with their defense. This is sort of what Kidd is trying to do.

 

Also...MCW is vastly overvalued as a defender.

[FVBrewerFan]

Is Parker a bust? I guess it depends how you define it. Is he a bust SO FAR for a #2 overall pick? Yes. He will get better, but I am very concerned his ceiling is lower than they thought.

 

When it comes to defense, it's not his knee or experience. He's simply too slow to guard on the perimeter, and not big enough to muscle up on power forwards in the post. He can get better at help defense, closing out on 3s, etc. but he will simply never be a good defensive player. Offensively, nothing has changed- it's all about developing a jumper. Being proficient from 3 would be even better. No idea if that will happen or how long it will take, I don't think even the Bucks know.

 

The 2014 draft is interesting early on. At the time it was seen as this fantastic wealth of talent. Wiggins has been good, but Embiid hasn't played. Gordon is a pretty good player, but sort of turning into a 3 point specialist. Exum, Vonleh, Stauskas, lots of other lottery guys have just been meh. Point being, at least so far, it's not like the Bucks missed out on an All Star or anything.

 

As far as the team goes, what I feared coming into the season has played out. They lose 3 good defenders and replaced them with 2 bad defenders. Result is they can't beat people 89-85 anymore. Now they have to score a lot to win, and they can't out-score most teams on most nights.

[Baldkin]

Is Jabari going to be a bust? He certainly hasn't shown much.

 

He was playing better than Wiggins over his first 2 months of 2014.

 

They say knee injuries take a full 2 years to recover from and the mental aspect is the biggest hurdle. The fact that Jabari suited up before Feb. is just a bonus to me, I didn't think he'd be back until after the ASB this year after he went under the knife.

 

You can see it in his game, it's slowly coming around, he's rebounding better and not avoiding contact as much as he regains his mental confidence in his knee.

 

The defense thing, well, every rookie goes through it. Vaughn is suffering from the same thing this year. Jabari may never be a good defender, but if he can get to average he could become a great player.

[BrewBalls]

Jabari would be looking much better on defense if he had a defensive minded center like Sanders behind him. Monroe has definitely been as advertised (low post threat, good rebounder, decent passer from the elbow, below average defender). If we are truly looking to move on from him I'm all for it.

 

Here would be my ideal moves.

1. Trade Monroe and our 2nd to Boston for Lee plus Celtics and Mavs' 1sts. Use these two picks (currently 19 and 22) to draft Denzel Valentine and Juan Hernangomez. Stash Hernangomez overseas for at least one more year.

2. Trade Bayless for a future 2nd to create more PT for Vaughn.

3. Trade Mayo to Sacramento for Marco Belinelli

3. Draft Jakob Poeltl (1st) Perry Ellis (2nd)

4. Resign Plumlee (3yrs/$10MM)

5. Sign Langston Galloway (4yrs/$44MM) Galloway is actually worth similar money to what Cory Joseph got last season (4yrs/$30MM) but with the cap increase and offering enough to cause the Knicks we would likely need to offer more.

 

PG - Galloway, MCW, Ennis

SG - Middleton, Vaughn, Belinelli

SF - Parker, Valentine, Inglis

PF - Giannis, JOB, Ellis

C - Poeltl, Henson, Plumlee

 

This adds four more shooters to our roster, a young low usage, defensive minded center who can rebound and score in the post and a starting PG who can still switch out on the perimeter (similar to MCW) but is a better ball handler and long range shooter.

[nate82]

I have been thinking about this a lot lately.

 

If the Kings in the off season said we will trade you Cousins for the 2016 1st round pick and Parker/Giannis would you have done that?

 

Remember George Karl had Ray Allen traded for Gary Payton so crazier things have happened!

[BrewBalls]

I have been thinking about this a lot lately.

 

If the Kings in the off season said we will trade you Cousins for the 2016 1st round pick and Parker/Giannis would you have done that?

 

Remember George Karl had Ray Allen traded for Gary Payton so crazier things have happened!

I would do it for Parker plus 2016 1st and our 2018 1st but don't think Vlade bites. He is looking to win now and none of these assets help him do so.

[davego]

I would trade any two players (other than G) and our 1st round pick for Boggie...in a heartbeat!

[FVBrewerFan]

Jabari would be looking much better on defense if he had a defensive minded center like Sanders behind him.

 

Funny you should say that! Sanders is talking about returning to the NBA.

 

I doubt it will be with the Bucks, but I would welcome him back if his mind is right. If the money doesn't matter much to him, maybe he gives the Bucks the 1st chance to sign him after what he pulled. The Bucks should be open about it. Just pay vets minimum with incentives, they're already paying him $1.8MM a year for the next few years. Not much to lose, if he's the old Larry just cut him.

 

To me, that's how they need to build this team around Giannis. Defenders like Henson and Larry, and shooters on offense.

[superfly]

Jabari would be looking much better on defense if he had a defensive minded center like Sanders behind him.

 

Funny you should say that! Sanders is talking about returning to the NBA.

 

I doubt it will be with the Bucks, but I would welcome him back if his mind is right. If the money doesn't matter much to him, maybe he gives the Bucks the 1st chance to sign him after what he pulled. The Bucks should be open about it. Just pay vets minimum with incentives, they're already paying him $1.8MM a year for the next few years. Not much to lose, if he's the old Larry just cut him.

 

To me, that's how they need to build this team around Giannis. Defenders like Henson and Larry, and shooters on offense.

 

Keep that bum out of here. I was all for Larry Sanders for a long time, but you shouldn't get a second chance for what he pulled. My guess is the money is going to run dry and he sees the writing on the wall.

 

Last I checked weed wasn't legalized, so he's screwed.

[nate82]

Nothing to back this up but it feels like the Bucks are having an extremely hard time at putting teams away in the 4th when they are up. No killer instinct at all.

 

After the game last night it feels like they have been doing this all season long.

[FVBrewerFan]

Nothing to back this up but it feels like the Bucks are having an extremely hard time at putting teams away in the 4th when they are up. No killer instinct at all.

 

After the game last night it feels like they have been doing this all season long.

 

It's always one quarter, not necessarily the 4th. For the longest time earlier this year it was the 3rd quarter. That's what mediocre or bad teams do. With that said, that's always been a part of the NBA- in fact sports in general. Teams build up a big lead and often times let the other team back in the game. Just hard to keep the same intensity when you have a big lead.

[rwa12]

Tobias Harris is being traded for Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova. I feel the Bucks should get a 2nd Round pick or something for this.

[fondybrewfan]

Not exactly sure why Orlando did that deal. Harris is the best player traded. Jennings has fallen off the face of the earth and Ersan is just getting old and injured. Must be an expiring contract in there

[davego]

I'm waiting for JJ Redick to also be included.