Milwaukee Bucks 2015 - 2016

[BrewBalls]

I think this years draft lacks elite level players but is stocked with solid role players. I could see the Bucks taking nine different players (Portis, Grant, Jones, Hunter, Looney, Dekker, Harrell, Anderson, Hollis-Jefferson) at 17 with any of them being a solid contributor going forward. I even think you can get a solid bench piece in the early second round (Rozier, Mickey, Christmas, Hernangomez, Brown and Upshaw).

 

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[tmwiese55]

http://www.brewhoop.com/2015/6/23/8831089/2015-nba-draft-milwaukee-bucks-trade-rumors-henson-carter-williams?ref=yfp

 

Not sure who else they'd be moving up for other than WCS. Unless they think they can get to the top 5 which seems really unlikely. I guess I see the logic, can probably survive for a year with Bayless/Ennis and whoever else they pick up as a FA if needed and then worry about a PG next year since they're easier to come across.

[FVBrewerFan]

Well, we know they want a shooter so it could be Booker. I don't like giving up assets to move up and get a slightly better player, if you're going to move up then move way up. I would be perfectly fine with Portis or Looney there.

[GAME05]

One player I kinda forgot about is Kendall Marshall. He was another young quick-riser last year before the injury. Maybe the Bucks are willing to dangle MCW on the thought that a Marshall-Middleton backcourt would be effective. Cauley-Stein would be the obvious target at that point and I've seen him jump all over the place in various mocks.

 

It won't ever happen, but wouldn't it be fun to have both Giannis and Porzingis on the floor at the same time?

[RobDeer 45]

I'd be all for taking Tyus Jones. He just seems to have that "it" factor. I'd like to see him running the team and learning from Kidd.

[tmwiese55]

I like him too but he is short, not sure they want a guy out there who they can't switch with on D. If they're ok with short they could probably get Ty Lawson on the cheap from Denver, he loves drinking and driving so he'd fit in well in WI.

 

I would also be seriously looking at Boogie Cousins. Parker, Henson and a 1st might do it. Maybe have to toss in some salary filler like Mayo or Bayless.

[FVBrewerFan]

Parker, Henson, Mayo, 1st round pick for Cousins? No thanks. Too much to give up for a questionable character guy. After the Sanders debacle, no way I want anyone else that plays when they feel like it.

 

Agree on Tyus Jones, I too have a feeling he is special but doesn't really fit what the Bucks want at PG.

[tmwiese55]

Boogie is a top 10 player who averaged 24 and 12 the last few years in a disaster situation. Put him on a good team with a coach he respects and it could change him around. They've changed GMs and coaches like 8 times since he's been there and he's still only like 24 with a three or four years left on his deal. He didn't cause any problems while on Team USA, and actually if you get away from the media spin and look into him a bit he's pretty well spoken and heavily involved in charity stuff and has never been in any off court trouble that i'm aware of. This is the type of situation a small market like MKE needs to look into. Due to his baggage you can get him cheaper, heck without the baggage he would be untouchable. Of course you need to see what kind of relationship he and Kidd have and if he'd be ok with playing in MKE. If he's set on being in a big market then you can't do it as he'll just pout his way out of town.

 

Parker coming off a torn ACL, a 1st round pick that will be in the late teens or 20s (us or LAC pick) is too much for him? Henson is a backup C and Mayo has one year left and is just filler. The deal is essentially a mid to late first and Parker off a torn ACL. If anything I would expect SAC to walk from that deal since the Lakers will probably give them the #2 and some future firsts or some players they pick up in a 3 way deal. We might have to toss in this years pick and next years.

[Jenkins5]

I wouldn't trade O Bryant for Cousins... Cousins may be the most dysfunctional player in NBA. He can't handle structure, systems, and acts like a child. He offers nothing to the community, to a team locker room or chemistry.

 

Parker is a great player and person. Team first, selfless, and very active on community..... He is coachible, hard working, and dedicated to this team.... Please tell me where Cousins value is, his stats didn't seem to impact Kings success very well

[tmwiese55]

They were winning in the Western Conference last year before canning the coach. then hiring another, then firing him, then hiring another. Now that coach is pushing him out. [sarcasm]Yea I don't see how a great player would be mad about being in the situation while wasting his prime years.[/sarcasm] Sacramento is a joke and I just wouldn't right the guy off before seeing how he does in a descent situation. I know he is responsible for the baby/pouting antics but again the guy is only 24, how would all of us handled this kind of spotlight at age 20-23? If not for this stuff the he wouldn't be available, I'm just saying it could be a great buy low opportunity and hope you hit the lottery. Ignore the media and look into his community type stuff and you'll see there isn't really any issues (no off-court BS so far) there and he actually seems pretty smart and speaks well. Lots of community and kids charity stuff.

 

Actually a good comparison would be Chris Webber, everyone would have said the same about him when Sacto got him, then he grew up and got in a good situation and boom they're title contenders. Of course he could blow up here as Kidd has a brash personality too, basically if Kidd vouches for him they'd be stupid not to look into it. If Kidd doesn't want him, that's it. As a small market team these are situations you have to look into, besides the draft it's the only way to get a superstar player and it's a lot less risky than the draft because at least you know what you're getting. Cousins caused no issues on Team USA or at Kentucky.

 

Keep in mind Jason Kidd is a wife beating multiple time drunk driver, nobody seemed to concerned about trading for him his whole career and then bring him in as coach.

 

Jabari Parker has a torn ACL, you don't know what he'll become.

[molitor fan]

Hearing Rashad Vaughn has a good chance to be the pick tomorrow - very young SG from UNLV...if that is the case, I see Tyson Chandler being a Buck...it seems odd, but the fact that Jeff Schwartz is the agent for MCW, Bayless, Kidd, Vaughn, and Chandler may tie this together somehow.....

[superfly]

I think people are severely underestimating Demarcus Cousins. Too much headline reading...he's really starting to grow up the past 12-24 months and would be an EXCELLENT grab if the Kings were looking to deal him. Have you even watched him play? I would venture not considering who he plays for & they are on the west coast. The kid (he is still a kid) is an absolute monster and HUSTLES his big butt down the court. I wouldn't take another center over him in the league, and that includes Marc Gasol, Andre Drummond, Deandre Jordan, and Tyson Chandler.

 

As for Vaughn, I haven't seen a ton of him but what I did see he looked to have the upside of a good scorer in the league in a few years...I wouldn't mind that pick at all.

[molitor fan]

I dare anyone to read this SI piece on Mudiay and not hope that we can somehow get up to 6 to draft him as our point of the future

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/13135005/top-guard-emmanuel-mudiay-quietly-climbed-draft-charts-playing-china

[tmwiese55]

I know a little about Vaughn and like the idea of gambling for very high upside, similar to what they did with Giannis. I've never really seen him play as I'm curious if he has the ballhandling ability to be a lead guard in the Rose/Westbrook/Harden mold where they're basically the PG and constantly creating/driving or is he more of Bradley Beal /Ray Allen traditional off ball shooting guard?

 

Thanks for some support on Boogie. Sounds like the Lakers is where he wants to be, so us getting him would probably just tick him off and create a situation, so not going to happen. Kings are asking the world from the Lakers though so it could fall through. Could create a fun season of him and Kobe bickering. If he goes there I predict they win a title within 6 years. Sounds like Aldridge might go too and of course Love is a possibility if he doesn't. Cousins and one of those PFs as building blocks, just need to snag a guard/wing to replace Kobe and they're title contenders. Conveniently Westbrook is from LA and FA in two years and will likely demand a trade if KD leaves OKC next year. And he's good friends with Love.

[LouisEly]

I'd be all for taking Tyus Jones. He just seems to have that "it" factor. I'd like to see him running the team and learning from Kidd.

^ This. Chris Paul is 6'0", 175. For a true freshman, Jones looked amazing. 2-3 years from now I think people will be talking about him as the next Chris Paul, and if the Bucks pass on him it will be like passing on Paul for Bogut. That being said, I think he will be gone by the time the Bucks pick.

 

I'll reiterate that I'd love to see Joseph Young in the 2nd round as a scorer. A little short, but he looked ridiculously good against UW in the tourney the last two years and reminds me a lot of a young Monta Ellis (himself a short-ish 2nd round pick) with his quickness and ability to create his own shot. On defense you switch him up against the other team's PG/smaller guard and have MCW guard the SG/taller guard. Tyler Harvey is also regarded by some as being the best pure shooter in the draft.

[tmwiese55]

and CP has never made it past the second round 10 years in. Regardless of that, I don't think any of us on here are saying to write him off for being short. We're just saying it seems to be the opposite of what they're targeting for team construction so it would be surprising if they took someone like him. And if they were ok with it really I think I'd rather give the pick to Denver for Lawson so at least you know you're getting something good.

 

Young is a good idea, could be the replacement for Mayo after next year. If they take a G like Vaughn though I would expect a big in the second. I've seen Vaughn pegged as a late first rounder. Maybe they'll trade next year's pick to move up for him or and use their own on something else.

[patrickgpe]

i think that Rashard Vaughn fits the bucks profile as a draftee. youngest player in the draft with huge upside.

[tmwiese55]

I did some reading on him today and taking him at 17 really seems like a stretch. He's more of a traditional SG, not a ball control type. Good shooter/scorer though which we need but seems like he has a lot of work left before he can get on the floor in the Association. If they traded up for a late first or early 2nd I'd love to have him though.

[FVBrewerFan]

Has anyone heard if Inglis is going to play in the summer league?

[brwrsfan]

I keep seeing things pop up about the Bucks wanting to trade up into the top 10....but nobody seems to really have any idea about WHO we'd actually be targeting. Anyone hearing anything?

 

Also...it says a lot about the NBA draft when you pick 17th and you're hoping to find anyone that can contribute right away, even as a role player. Really shows you how flawed the system is where you can't even find 17 guys that can really come in and make an immediate impact of any kind.

[tmwiese55]

I think it speaks more to how tough the league is and that there isn't a good minor league/feeder system established. It is also because each team only starts 5 guys, not a lot of spots available. NFL needs 22 players and half the league gets injured every year. MLB gets 0 ready players each year. The NBA system would work better if they were required to stick 3 years like the NFL but that's not the case and frankly I don't see how it's legal to not let 18 year olds work. Think of how much harder the NFL draft would be if they had to drive people out of HS if some court said their age discrimination was illegal. They'd probably expand rosters or add like 6 development roles on the roster or something.

[FVBrewerFan]

There are at least 20-25 players who can play right away. However, some teams prefer to take guys who aren't quite ready but have a higher ceiling. It's like in MLB where draft a HS player instead of college. Neither is right/wrong, just depends on what each team is looking for.

 

As far as the trade rumors go, if you look hard enough you would probably find rumors about most teams trading up or trading down. Talking heads need something to talk about. Could be as simple as Reporter: "Are you looking at trading up?" GM: "We're open to that" or "For the right deal, anything is possible" Suddenly that translates into Team X is looking to trade up.

 

In the Bucks case it does makes sense though. They have pick high enough that it still has value, an addl 1st round pick next year, and young assets- all of which can be mixed and matched to move up if they really want a certain player. We all pretend to know who that might be, but we have no idea how confident they are in getting a Center in FA or via trade. Ditto for another shooter. So whatever they do in the draft is partially dependent on what they plan to do in FA.

[craigharmann]

Greivis Vasquez. Interesting pickup.

[patrickgpe]

Greivis Vasquez. Interesting pickup.

he is a free agent after this next season i do not get the trade

[tmwiese55]

I hope they gave the Clippers pick instead of ours since it should be higher. I don't know what they're thinking considering they have good backups in Bayless and Marshall, plus the wild card in Ennis. Only thing I can think of is they're dangling MCW or a sign/trade of Middleton.