Open for business (part 2)

[wildcat2237]

i agree time to really get down and make some moves.

 

I've been thinking this for a month and nothing.

 

I'm guessing to this point teams have been trying to lowball Melvin. As the deadline gets closer teams will have to put their best deal on the table and Melvin will have to choose one.

 

Shame b/c I was hoping it would be fun to watch the MiLB teams. Looks like August is going to be the only fun month.

[wildcat2237]

Yeah, I love me some left-handed bats for platoons so somebody's going to want Parra. I was just noting a few teams that already have 3 guys at the LH spots in the OF and may not want to add another one. Injuries can change that, though.

 

There will absolutely be a taker for Parra.

 

Sure, just wouldn't expect much.

 

I'm hoping they pick up a high ceiling guy in the low minors.

 

Maybe a Marcos Diplan type player.

[brewmann04]

I agree think we should target minor league guys with high potential even if its A ball guys

[monty57]

I've been thinking this for a month and nothing.

 

I'm guessing to this point teams have been trying to lowball Melvin. As the deadline gets closer teams will have to put their best deal on the table and Melvin will have to choose one.

 

I think it's a money issue. They have a team record payroll and with the slow start, they started worrying that they would lose money. They don't want a "rebuild," so they initially put their garbage on the table hoping someone would take it off their hands and save them enough money that they wouldn't have to trade their better players.

 

You can't really "lowball Melvin" on players like Ramirez, Lohse, Broxton and Garza, as they have negative value at this point. If we move them at all, we will either take back another bad contract, or pay most of the salary just to save a couple million.

 

They've made it clear that Lucroy and Segura are not getting traded, but if we cannot shed enough salary through salary dump trades, it becomes possible that Gomez gets dealt. That is the only chance we bring anyone of value back in a trade, while also shedding some salary. Don't get your hopes too high on much else happening, and don't be surprised if we don't just end up salary dumping Lohse and Parra and standing pat with everyone else, gearing up for our "big free agent signings" like Juan Uribe this offseason so we will "be competitive" in 2016.

 

It just depends on how ticket sales look going into the second half and how much salary they think they need to shed in order to break even. It's not about bringing in loads of talent so they'll be better in a couple of years. They're too worried about losing fans to do that.

[brewmann04]

you have to worry how many are going to come with the present team I am sure you all want to see trades being made.

[FVBrewerFan]

Not unusual for no deals to be done yet. It's on the buyer's side, not the sellers. Contending teams don't NEED to make any moves yet. There is time to see if they can work out whatever they need internally before they go to plan B and look at a trade.

 

Yes, we're anxious, but I rather wait a few weeks and get better value. In fact, that's my #1 fear in all this, not that Melvin doesn't want to trade...but that he'll push the button to soon and not get the return back we should with some of these guys.

[brewmann04]

i think alot of fans are going to be shocked @ what the brewers will get back in return .

I even think that we will make less moves than peolple think.

[logan82]

I don't expect much. A few salary dumps for minor leaguers we will DFA in 2 years.

[Pugger]

i think alot of fans are going to be shocked @ what the brewers will get back in return .

I even think that we will make less moves than peolple think.

 

With the way our guys are playing who'd want 'em? Anyone who thinks we're gonna get a bunch of great prospects next month is kidding themselves.

[PrinceEatMeat]

If they want anything of value in return, then they'll look to move someone out of the group of Gomez, Segura, and Lucroy. Lohse, Garza, Lind, Parra, K-Rod, Broxton, Cotts, and Ramirez, the more likely trade candidates, won't net much in return. Lohse, Broxton, Cotts, and Ramirez have been terrible and will likely be salary dumps. Teams won't want Garza's contract, and likely not K-Rod's either. Parra and Lind will get something, but likely lower level, high ceiling guys. Gomez is the only guy who might get traded before July 31 who would bring back an exciting return.

[brewmann04]

Time tolook to move Gomez and maybe Lucroy we need to get players in here to bulid with

[adambr2]

Lohse is worth absolutely nothing. We could release him and someone might pick him up and get us off the hook for the league minimum of about a half million. That's the most we're getting for him.

[3and2Fastball]

I believe that Gomez, Lucroy, Braun, K-Rod & Segura have trade value

[wildcat2237]

Lohse is worth absolutely nothing. We could release him and someone might pick him up and get us off the hook for the league minimum of about a half million. That's the most we're getting for him.

 

Every outing he's looking more and more like he's going the way of Jeff Suppan and Randy Wolf.

 

Three years was one too many. And for the third time Melvin gets burned on being the only GM to give one of these old washups a three year deal.

 

Great chance he's released in July or August if he keeps this up.

 

Would much rather see what Cravy has.

[trwi7]

I believe that Gomez, Lucroy, Braun, K-Rod & Segura have trade value

 

The problem is that out of those 5 we might be willing to move 2 of them.

[brewcrewdue80]

Garza has allowed just 2ERs in his last 18IP. I wouldn't count him out as having no value. He may have figured something out finally and puts a string of quality starts together. Lohse is obviously done. It's too late for him to try to change his value. He has 1 truly quality start in his last 10outings. 6 where he's given up 4runs or more. Dillon Gee was just waived and not looking like he's getting picked up which he has an equal statline to Lohse but is paid less than half as much.

 

I wouldn't trade Lucroy at the moment. His stats are down that he's slowly picking up, but I'm thinking he's not netting as much a return as he would have prior to that start of the season. I'd keep him and consider trading him in the offseason, he shows off that doubles hitting ability again as the season wears on, there's no doubt somebody will part with a huge package for him. His contract makes him available to all 29 other franchises.

 

Segura is who Milw needs to push trading as well as Parra. That's about where it stands. Gomez, you just keep the phone lines open waiting for that epic trade offer. No need to trade him prior to the end of the season unless that happens.

 

Gotta look at it as this. This is going to be a sellers market. Milw, Philly, Oakland, and Boston are the only teams more than 6.5games out of the wildcard spot. Miami happens to be one of the teams 6.5games back and July 2nd they are getting the best player back nobody can get in trade in Jose Fernandez. That is likely +5wins there for that team over who's pitching in his place right there the rest of the season.

 

I'd expect Cincy to join in the sellers but after them there aren't any sellers to look at. The Sox both are more bound to winning than selling this year. They are behind expectations and both divisions aren't the strongest. Oakland has a bulldog w/l mentality. They're not out of it til it really looks bleak, and that division as well isn't filled with the best of pitching staffs. As the Blue Jays just did an 11game winning streak, Oakland certainly can with their staff vs the right opponents and obviously they are right back near the top of their division when they do.

 

That's only 3 teams to me that are selling and 27teams that are contemplating buying. Garza is going to be a trade target under that circumstance for sure. Lind ought to be a decent trade target as he's going to be a DH thought as well.

I expect better returns for Parra and Lind than what Milw gave up for them since that reason. KRod too will be a trade idea for many teams.

 

Segura is 11th currently for all MLB SS in OPS with 145ABs or more. That's a lot of franchises that stand to improve at that position, for some years to come.

 

Those are the 4 I expect decent trades coming up soon before the deadline. Gomez or Lucroy would be Blockbuster deals that I feel are more likely in the offseason. Braun would be that way as well, and I just don't feel he's a trade chip to let go for the franchise.

 

I'd like the team to push Fiers as a trade candidate. But I'm sure like me, with most teams, he's gotta be questioned on his ability come Sept and beyond. I'd think he'd be ready for Dead Arm at any start. But there in lies why I'd try to trade him. Maybe a team makes the mistake of thinking he's a solid #4 with #3 potential for a playoff push/starts if it gets there on the cheap. To me Fiers is the perfect SP candidate to nab the Marcos Diplan type prospect.

Looking at MLB's top 30 international signs of last year: Houston picked up a guy named Franklin Perez #21, Minnesota got a kid named Huascar Ynoa #17 younger brother to Michael Ynoa, Blue Jays got a kid named Juan Meza #11, Boston a kid named Anderson Espinoza #10 another named Christopher Acosta #6

 

All those teams could use a SP like Fiers potentially to be their #4 with #2/3 upside in his runs of great starts. He's dirt cheap with team control through 2020. Give up your #3/4 for a lottery ticket of a TOR but years away SP. I could think of a Drew Hutchinson+Juan Meza for Mike Fiers trade. And Milw could find an NL worthy type of pitcher in Hutchinson vs facing the AL to be a solid addition for the back end of their rotation.

 

That'd be my conversations on offering up Fiers.

[adambr2]

Aa far as I'm concerned there isn't a single untouchable on this roster...or what some people would call untouchable. A young rising star that you want cemented as the cornerstone of your franchise. We don't have one. We really don't even have someone close to resembling one.

[Invader3K]

Aa far as I'm concerned there isn't a single untouchable on this roster...or what some people would call untouchable. A young rising star that you want cemented as the cornerstone of your franchise. We don't have one. We really don't even have someone close to resembling one.

 

I pretty much agree. I would have pretty much every single MLB player on the table. We aren't winning anything in the next couple seasons, so why sit around pretending we're going to "build around" Lucroy/Segura/Peralta/whoever?

[bill hAll Star]

As I had said on the other board - re: Garza getting on a roll - I'd have shuffled the rotation so he avoids Coors this weekend. Lohse as well, but he looks like his value is dead anyways.

[Raw Biz]

I wouldn't trade Lucroy at the moment. His stats are down that he's slowly picking up, but I'm thinking he's not netting as much a return as he would have prior to that start of the season. I'd keep him and consider trading him in the offseason, he shows off that doubles hitting ability again as the season wears on, there's no doubt somebody will part with a huge package for him. His contract makes him available to all 29 other franchises.

 

I don't think Lucroy's stock is much different than it was coming in. He's started off slow but that is likely a combination of the injury and some bad luck. He's still a cost-controlled catcher in his prime who can put up big numbers, and teams know that.

 

That being said, I agree, the time to deal him is likely in the offseason, when there would theoretically be more buyers. However, with this potentially being a seller's market this year, I don't think you automatically make him unavailable. You let teams know that "you're not motivated to move him at this time." In other words, make me an offer I can't refuse.

[BuckyBrewer61]

Aa far as I'm concerned there isn't a single untouchable on this roster...or what some people would call untouchable. A young rising star that you want cemented as the cornerstone of your franchise. We don't have one. We really don't even have someone close to resembling one.

 

This. There is not a single player on this team that will be a part of a World Series Champion Milwaukee Brewers team. And outside of the young ones just coming up and under team control for years at an affordable rate, very few will realistically be a part of a good Brewers team ever again. Seriously, can you picture a way to retool the roster such that Lucroy will ever play on another good Brewers team before his talents inevitably deteriorate? That said, it is this team's management style to hold on to players until they are devoid of most value they once had and get little to nothing in return, so I'm not holding my breath.

[Pugger]

Aa far as I'm concerned there isn't a single untouchable on this roster...or what some people would call untouchable. A young rising star that you want cemented as the cornerstone of your franchise. We don't have one. We really don't even have someone close to resembling one.

 

This. There is not a single player on this team that will be a part of a World Series Champion Milwaukee Brewers team. And outside of the young ones just coming up and under team control for years at an affordable rate, very few will realistically be a part of a good Brewers team ever again. Seriously, can you picture a way to retool the roster such that Lucroy will ever play on another good Brewers team before his talents inevitably deteriorate? That said, it is this team's management style to hold on to players until they are devoid of most value they once had and get little to nothing in return, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

And this is why we need a change in management and fill it with someone OUTSIDE of the organization.

[3and2Fastball]

Seriously, can you picture a way to retool the roster such that Lucroy will ever play on another good Brewers team before his talents inevitably deteriorate? That said, it is this team's management style to hold on to players until they are devoid of most value they once had and get little to nothing in return, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

 

Exactly. And then they sign someone else's "name" player once they are devoid of most value.

 

Unless Mark A changes his ways, I fully expect Justin Verlander to be a Brewer.... when he's 38 years old

[mrn1ceguy]

Aa far as I'm concerned there isn't a single untouchable on this roster...or what some people would call untouchable. A young rising star that you want cemented as the cornerstone of your franchise. We don't have one. We really don't even have someone close to resembling one.

 

This. There is not a single player on this team that will be a part of a World Series Champion Milwaukee Brewers team. And outside of the young ones just coming up and under team control for years at an affordable rate, very few will realistically be a part of a good Brewers team ever again. Seriously, can you picture a way to retool the roster such that Lucroy will ever play on another good Brewers team before his talents inevitably deteriorate? That said, it is this team's management style to hold on to players until they are devoid of most value they once had and get little to nothing in return, so I'm not holding my breath.

 

 

Alright, I'll take a shot. This is an optimistic but plausible scenario (in my mind).

 

2017 Roster:

 

LF: Davis

CF: Tyrone Taylor

RF: Braun

1B: Filler pick-up (FA or trade of Parra/Garza/K-Rod), similar to Lind

2B: Segura

SS: Arcia

3B: Filler pick-up (FA or trade of Parra/Garza/K-Rod), Similar to McGee when he was playing well.

C: Lucroy

Bench: Maldy, Sardinas, Riveria, Michael Reed, CF Filler

 

Batting Order: Segura, Arcia, Lucroy, Braun, Davis, 1B, Taylor, 3B, P

 

SP1: Zimmerman (big FA signing, maybe 5/$100M if we are lucky)

SP2: Peralta

SP3: Nelson

SP4: Stud prospect (picked up from Gomez trade)

SP5: Jungman/Cravy/Fiers (whoever is doing best)

 

RP: Jeffress, Knebel, Smith, Blazek, Brooks Hall, FA Pickup, loser of SP5

 

 

If everyone played to their best that year (not likely, but possible), this is a division winning team with a good shot at the WS. Only takes one major FA signing, and with all the money going away between Ramirez, Broxton, Lohse, Gomez, Parra, and Garza, we can afford it along with arbitration/salary raises. Overall, lineup is a little week unless those filler's truly perform like Lind has this year and McGee did in 09/10, but pitching looks pretty good. It's unlikely this all works out perfectly, but it's a scenario to get Lucroy a WS quality team in his last year (with QO for 2018).

[MrTPlush]

I wouldn't bet a penny on that 2017. That line up is pretty lack luster and the rotation wouldn't be anything special unless Jimmy Nelson turns into a legit #2. That would be a borderline contender is most went right...much goes wrong and it would be sub .500 really fast. That makes me think even more that he should be traded.