Parra to Giants

[Luke99]

With Aoki out I think the Giants could make sense to see if they are interested in Parra. He fits their type of player and would have a role when Pence, Aoki return. I would think a middling prospect would be enough.

[JohnBriggs12]

Parra probably won't bring 2 middling prospects like what the Brewers gave up to get him but a lower level arm like Sam Coonrod or Mark Reyes wouldn't be a bad target nor would 20 year old 3B prospect Jonah Arenado.

 

Parra's skillset isn't the exact mirror of Aoki's but it's not that far off and he's having a solid year.

[Boomer5]

We gave them very little to obtain Parra. I would assume based on need, the market for Parra would be OK based on his 760 OPS, the best he has had in years, that we should get a decent A ball prospect.

[liveforoctober]

Revisiting this. I can't imagine Parra's value can get much higher at this point. This last week he has hit .480 with an OBP of .567. He really has ignited the offense since taking over the lead off position.

 

For the season .306/.344/.467 ... an .811 OPS is pretty nice. I would think he will be dealt here in the next week to 10 days? When is Khrush scheduled to come back?

[MrTPlush]

Revisiting this. I can't imagine Parra's value can get much higher at this point. This last week he has hit .480 with an OBP of .567. He really has ignited the offense since taking over the lead off position.

 

For the season .306/.344/.467 ... an .811 OPS is pretty nice. I would think he will be dealt here in the next week to 10 days? When is Khrush scheduled to come back?

 

All Star break would be a good guess. Should be interesting what they do.

 

Problem isn't his value, it is the fact a market hasn't taken shape yet.

[jerichoholicninja]

Revisiting this. I can't imagine Parra's value can get much higher at this point. This last week he has hit .480 with an OBP of .567. He really has ignited the offense since taking over the lead off position.

 

For the season .306/.344/.467 ... an .811 OPS is pretty nice. I would think he will be dealt here in the next week to 10 days? When is Khrush scheduled to come back?

 

All Star break would be a good guess. Should be interesting what they do.

 

Problem isn't his value, it is the fact a market hasn't taken shape yet.

 

Last night's radio broadcast said Davis would be activated Monday or Tuesday.

[MrTPlush]

Revisiting this. I can't imagine Parra's value can get much higher at this point. This last week he has hit .480 with an OBP of .567. He really has ignited the offense since taking over the lead off position.

 

For the season .306/.344/.467 ... an .811 OPS is pretty nice. I would think he will be dealt here in the next week to 10 days? When is Khrush scheduled to come back?

 

All Star break would be a good guess. Should be interesting what they do.

 

Problem isn't his value, it is the fact a market hasn't taken shape yet.

 

Last night's radio broadcast said Davis would be activated Monday or Tuesday.

 

My bad I was regarding when I thought Gerardo Parra would be moved. All Star break is possible or I could see Parra facing RHPs and Davis LHPs until Parra gets traded. Then at least Parra gets the majority of at bats.

[LouisEly]

The Giants have liked Parra "forever" but the D-Backs didn't want to trade him to a division rival.

[Kelbysdaddy]

Mets are looking for an outfielder also. We could get a nice return for him and segura if they're still looking to upgrade at shortstop.

[wildcat2237]

The Giants have liked Parra "forever" but the D-Backs didn't want to trade him to a division rival.

 

Somebody in the MLBTR comment section suggested Aramis Garcia or Ryder Jones.

 

Sadly I'm not enamored with either of those guys or the Giants farm system as a whole.

 

I still think the Brewers match up best with the Mets as a trade partner.

[WV Brew]

MLBTradeRumors

 

How about Parra to Cubs?

[reillymcshane]

Lots of clubs interested in Parra. He's kind of a perfect trade player - he doesn't make too much, shouldn't cost that much to acquire, plays multiple positions, has wily veteran appeal, is playing really well. Perfect time to strike on a deal. He's playing great, Davis is coming back. Let's see if we can net something decent for him while there are multiple suitors.

 

I honestly don't expect a ton for him, but he should fetch something of value.

[JohnBriggs12]

Lots of clubs interested in Parra. He's kind of a perfect trade player - he doesn't make too much, shouldn't cost that much to acquire, plays multiple positions, has wily veteran appeal, is playing really well. Perfect time to strike on a deal. He's playing great, Davis is coming back. Let's see if we can net something decent for him while there are multiple suitors.

 

I honestly don't expect a ton for him, but he should fetch something of value.

 

You contradict yourself in this post. You say "he shouldn't cost that much to acquire" and in same breath say "he should fetch something of value" Which is it?

 

He's playing really well and he's just 28. Brewers could keep him, extend him a QO offer and if he signs elsewhere, then he does indeed "fetch something of value". Worst case is they are stuck with him for 2016 paying him Aramis Ramirez money for one year and you can trade Davis for considerable value.

 

Why settle for B or C level prospects for two of the hottest hitters in baseball in Lind and Parra? Why not focus on controllable major league talent in return? I'd take Brandon Belt and a B level prospect for Lind and Parra. Lucroy and Braun aren't going anywhere. Seems kind of foolish to gut the entire rest of the roster around those two.

[jerichoholicninja]

Lots of clubs interested in Parra. He's kind of a perfect trade player - he doesn't make too much, shouldn't cost that much to acquire, plays multiple positions, has wily veteran appeal, is playing really well. Perfect time to strike on a deal. He's playing great, Davis is coming back. Let's see if we can net something decent for him while there are multiple suitors.

 

I honestly don't expect a ton for him, but he should fetch something of value.

 

You contradict yourself in this post. You say "he shouldn't cost that much to acquire" and in same breath say "he should fetch something of value" Which is it?

 

He's playing really well and he's just 28. Brewers could keep him, extend him a QO offer and if he signs elsewhere, then he does indeed "fetch something of value". Worst case is they are stuck with him for 2016 paying him Aramis Ramirez money for one year and you can trade Davis for considerable value.

 

Why settle for B or C level prospects for two of the hottest hitters in baseball in Lind and Parra? Why not focus on controllable major league talent in return? I'd take Brandon Belt and a B level prospect for Lind and Parra. Lucroy and Braun aren't going anywhere. Seems kind of foolish to gut the entire rest of the roster around those two.

 

Can you stop with the QO offer nonsense. It should not and will not happen.

[Raw Biz]

Why settle for B or C level prospects for two of the hottest hitters in baseball in Lind and Parra? Why not focus on controllable major league talent in return? I'd take Brandon Belt and a B level prospect for Lind and Parra. Lucroy and Braun aren't going anywhere. Seems kind of foolish to gut the entire rest of the roster around those two.

 

I don't follow this logic. Are we now basing trades on whether a guy is hot? Should expect the moon for Hernan Perez and Taylor Jungmann now? I would think GMs understand that a recent hot or cold streak has little effect on a guy's ultimate value.

 

I would gladly take a B-level prospect (i.e., Coulter, Taylor) for either one of these guys now. They are not part of the future, their value is arguably at the highest, and we have other guys in the system that we could be taking a look at who play those positions. Sure those guys might not be future starters but they could be serviceable platoon or bench players. I could understand the argument for maybe keeping Lind since he has another year on his contract but I don't see his value getting any higher.

 

And your quote on "controllable major league talent in return" is exactly why we have gotten to where we are now. Why do we constantly need to limit ourselves on a potential return. The ultimate goal should be to get the best talent back. I don't care what level that player is at, as great players will always be useful.

[JohnBriggs12]

Lots of clubs interested in Parra. He's kind of a perfect trade player - he doesn't make too much, shouldn't cost that much to acquire, plays multiple positions, has wily veteran appeal, is playing really well. Perfect time to strike on a deal. He's playing great, Davis is coming back. Let's see if we can net something decent for him while there are multiple suitors.

 

I honestly don't expect a ton for him, but he should fetch something of value.

 

You contradict yourself in this post. You say "he shouldn't cost that much to acquire" and in same breath say "he should fetch something of value" Which is it?

 

He's playing really well and he's just 28. Brewers could keep him, extend him a QO offer and if he signs elsewhere, then he does indeed "fetch something of value". Worst case is they are stuck with him for 2016 paying him Aramis Ramirez money for one year and you can trade Davis for considerable value.

 

Why settle for B or C level prospects for two of the hottest hitters in baseball in Lind and Parra? Why not focus on controllable major league talent in return? I'd take Brandon Belt and a B level prospect for Lind and Parra. Lucroy and Braun aren't going anywhere. Seems kind of foolish to gut the entire rest of the roster around those two.

 

Can you stop with the QO offer nonsense. It should not and will not happen.

 

I will stop until the point the Giants or whatever team gets him extends him a QO. Then I will bring it up again.

[JohnBriggs12]

Why settle for B or C level prospects for two of the hottest hitters in baseball in Lind and Parra? Why not focus on controllable major league talent in return? I'd take Brandon Belt and a B level prospect for Lind and Parra. Lucroy and Braun aren't going anywhere. Seems kind of foolish to gut the entire rest of the roster around those two.

 

I don't follow this logic. Are we now basing trades on whether a guy is hot? Should expect the moon for Hernan Perez and Taylor Jungmann now? I would think GMs understand that a recent hot or cold streak has little effect on a guy's ultimate value.

 

I would gladly take a B-level prospect (i.e., Coulter, Taylor) for either one of these guys now. They are not part of the future, their value is arguably at the highest, and we have other guys in the system that we could be taking a look at who play those positions. Sure those guys might not be future starters but they could be serviceable platoon or bench players. I could understand the argument for maybe keeping Lind since he has another year on his contract but I don't see his value getting any higher.

 

And your quote on "controllable major league talent in return" is exactly why we have gotten to where we are now. Why do we constantly need to limit ourselves on a potential return. The ultimate goal should be to get the best talent back. I don't care what level that player is at, as great players will always be useful.

 

Where are we now? Brewers are the hottest team in baseball right now with pieces other teams want. Brewers have prospects on the cusp of the major leagues, including at least one in Arcia with a very high ceiling and they also likely will have a pick in next year's draft in the top dozen. Lara too has to be considered an A list prospect even though he's in rookie ball. Controllable major league talent is major league talent nonetheless. Brewers are charging fans major league prices are they not? B level prospects are hit and miss with ceilings of average to below average regular major leaguers if in fact they ever stick in the majors.

 

I'm skeptical of the attitude of "take whatever you can get" from a team. Maybe you can get a Dan Vogelbach from the Cubs for Parra. Vogelbach is probably a B+ or maybe an A- prospect and he's blocked there by Rizzo but I doubt the Cubs have offered him yet. Coming out and saying you will do whatever you must to trade an asset makes no sense to me. You need to drive the best bargain you can an if teams don't meet it, then have a plan B.

 

PS. Coulter and Taylor are in Brewers top 5 prospect list. That makes them A level prospects by most measures. Brewers are not likely to get anyone's top 5 prospect using Parra or Lind alone. Combined? Maybe.

[Raw Biz]

 

Where are we now? Brewers are the hottest team in baseball right now with pieces other teams want. Brewers have prospects on the cusp of the major leagues, including at least one in Arcia with a very high ceiling and they also likely will have a pick in next year's draft in the top dozen. Lara too has to be considered an A list prospect even though he's in rookie ball. Controllable major league talent is major league talent nonetheless. Brewers are charging fans major league prices are they not? B level prospects are hit and miss with ceilings of average to below average regular major leaguers if in fact they ever stick in the majors.

 

I'm skeptical of the attitude of "take whatever you can get" from a team. Maybe you can get a Dan Vogelbach from the Cubs for Parra. Vogelbach is probably a B+ or maybe an A- prospect and he's blocked there by Rizzo but I doubt the Cubs have offered him yet. Coming out and saying you will do whatever you must to trade an asset makes no sense to me. You need to drive the best bargain you can an if teams don't meet it, then have a plan B.

 

I never said to do whatever you must to trade an asset. I even said I could understand holding on to Lind.

 

And I'm again confused by your post. You talk about guys like Arcia and Lara but then you also say that we should just take major league talent (I'm assuming you mean major league ready talent). Arcia likely won't make a significant impact until 2017. Lara probably not until at least 2019, even assuming he continues to dominate like he has the past month.

 

Are you content just treading water until then? I don't see a difference between 75 and 65 wins, you're not making the playoffs with either. I'd much rather trade our valuable assets at their peak and bring back players that will help us win for the future.

[Jenkins5]

Why settle for B or C level prospects for two of the hottest hitters in baseball in Lind and Parra? Why not focus on controllable major league talent in return? I'd take Brandon Belt and a B level prospect for Lind and Parra. Lucroy and Braun aren't going anywhere. Seems kind of foolish to gut the entire rest of the roster around those two.

 

I don't follow this logic. Are we now basing trades on whether a guy is hot? Should expect the moon for Hernan Perez and Taylor Jungmann now? I would think GMs understand that a recent hot or cold streak has little effect on a guy's ultimate value.

 

I would gladly take a B-level prospect (i.e., Coulter, Taylor) for either one of these guys now. They are not part of the future, their value is arguably at the highest, and we have other guys in the system that we could be taking a look at who play those positions. Sure those guys might not be future starters but they could be serviceable platoon or bench players. I could understand the argument for maybe keeping Lind since he has another year on his contract but I don't see his value getting any higher.

 

And your quote on "controllable major league talent in return" is exactly why we have gotten to where we are now. Why do we constantly need to limit ourselves on a potential return. The ultimate goal should be to get the best talent back. I don't care what level that player is at, as great players will always be useful.

 

Where are we now? Brewers are the hottest team in baseball right now with pieces other teams want. Brewers have prospects on the cusp of the major leagues, including at least one in Arcia with a very high ceiling and they also likely will have a pick in next year's draft in the top dozen. Lara too has to be considered an A list prospect even though he's in rookie ball. Controllable major league talent is major league talent nonetheless. Brewers are charging fans major league prices are they not? B level prospects are hit and miss with ceilings of average to below average regular major leaguers if in fact they ever stick in the majors.

 

I'm skeptical of the attitude of "take whatever you can get" from a team. Maybe you can get a Dan Vogelbach from the Cubs for Parra. Vogelbach is probably a B+ or maybe an A- prospect and he's blocked there by Rizzo but I doubt the Cubs have offered him yet. Coming out and saying you will do whatever you must to trade an asset makes no sense to me. You need to drive the best bargain you can an if teams don't meet it, then have a plan B.

 

PS. Coulter and Taylor are in Brewers top 5 prospect list. That makes them A level prospects by most measures. Brewers are not likely to get anyone's top 5 prospect using Parra or Lind alone. Combined? Maybe.

 

Taylor and Coulter are NOT A level prospects.... Because our farm system is down and they are in top 5 doesn't make them A level. A level is consider to be future all-star type talent... Coulter is more fringe A if he can become more consistent at plate. Taylor is more of a solid everyday player (B level). C level is a Jason Rogers who is more of a platoon/bench prospect

[brewcrewdue80]

This idea makes perfect sense. Parra would be like Marco Scutaro was for the Giants, a bat who just performed and kept it up in the Playoffs. That's why I am seeing Parra's value riding a wave up. And Lind what does he have a 10game RBI streak? not hitting streak RBI.

 

I hate to break it you but Coulter is probably a B- prospect and Taylor is a C prospect at best. I foresee him falling out of Milw's top 7 soon with Reed getting ahead of him. Coulter, Lara, Medeiros, and Lopez. And he's lucky Harrison/Gatewood haven't taken just a basic stat line you'd expect for them to jump him.

 

Include Taylor in the Parra Trade. Get Billy McKinney from the Cubs back and here's one Dylan Cease.

[bill hAll Star]

This idea makes perfect sense. Parra would be like Marco Scutaro was for the Giants, a bat who just performed and kept it up in the Playoffs. That's why I am seeing Parra's value riding a wave up. And Lind what does he have a 10game RBI streak? not hitting streak RBI.

 

What tells you that Parra will "perform in the playoffs?" He's not going to face Trevor May, the corpse of Chad Billingsley, Sean O'Stinkivan, and whatever the Reds call their "pitching staff" in the playoffs. Hot streaks from platoon lefties are easy to predict: when they play crappy RH pitching teams in hitter's parks.

 

I was happy that the Brewers acquired these guys, and if I was a playoff team, I'd want them...but these hot streaks are due to playing terrible RH pitching, and I would imagine other GMs know this...at least my fantasy baseball transactions this week did.

[Raw Biz]

Not to derail the thread but just so everyone is on the same page, using John Sickels as a reference:

 

"Grade A prospects are the elite. In theory, they have a good chance of becoming stars or superstars. Theoretically, most Grade A prospects develop into stars or at least major league regulars, if injuries or other problems don’t intervene. Note that is a major "if" in some cases.

 

Grade B prospects have a good chance to enjoy successful careers. Some will develop into stars, some will not. Most end up spending several years in the majors, at the very least in a marginal role.

 

Grade C prospects are the most common type. These are guys who have something positive going for them, but who may have a question mark or three, or who are just too far away from the majors to get an accurate feel for. A few Grade C guys, especially at the lower levels, do develop into stars. Many end up as role players or bench guys. Some don’t make it at all."

 

Tyrone Taylor and Clint Coulter were both B prospects coming into this season. Taylor hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in AA this year but I still think he has the tools to keep his B prospect label (I would put him it a B- if splitting things further). Coulter should also keep his B level rating. He's had a nice year so far but an .800 OPS as 21 year old in A+ ball doesn't scream A prospect to me.

[brewcrewdue80]

This idea makes perfect sense. Parra would be like Marco Scutaro was for the Giants, a bat who just performed and kept it up in the Playoffs. That's why I am seeing Parra's value riding a wave up. And Lind what does he have a 10game RBI streak? not hitting streak RBI.

 

What tells you that Parra will "perform in the playoffs?" He's not going to face Trevor May, the corpse of Chad Billingsley, Sean O'Stinkivan, and whatever the Reds call their "pitching staff" in the playoffs. Hot streaks from platoon lefties are easy to predict: when they play crappy RH pitching teams in hitter's parks.

 

I was happy that the Brewers acquired these guys, and if I was a playoff team, I'd want them...but these hot streaks are due to playing terrible RH pitching, and I would imagine other GMs know this...at least my fantasy baseball transactions this week did.

 

Hey genius, If I could predict the future, I wouldn't be commenting on here, I obviously know I don't for sure or not Parra will perform. But you're staring at a batter with .300+ BA currently at less than 3.5mil remaining on his contract I imagine to this point. I made the reference that he could be a Marco Scutaro type who flashes nothing to think he'd be a MVP in a series. When Playoffs are about some team having a hot run, Parra fits that mold as a type like he's doing now, who can run .400+BA. in a one or two week stretch. And maybe doing so atop a batting order makes that much more valuable. He just fits that under the radar you forget can do that type. How many batters currently possess a .275+BA on teams that will be selling? And are the types of players to be sold?

 

Dee Gordon, Nori Aoki, Chris Colabello, David Murphy is you want to consider his option of 7mil or pay another 500k, Gregor Blanco, Adam Lind, Mitch Moreland, Ben Revere, Daniel Murphy, Erick Aybar.

 

That's it. So 5 total OFs 2 on the same team that are likely buyers themselves so now you're at 3. It's basically who do you want more? Revere or Parra. .707-822OPS.

 

Edit:

This would also show how huge a payoff could come if Gomez was put out there in trade. Talking serious blockbuster.

 

Toronto and Dalton Pompey and Sein Reid Foley and maybe even Richard Urena. Would be a nice haul since you're already getting a ML ready CF in return top of the order type speed maybe OB. Foley would really make the Pitching look more sound. Urena would be like Diplan where we snag another former top 10 international prospect. He'll have some years to groom.

[MrTPlush]

I will stop until the point the Giants or whatever team gets him extends him a QO. Then I will bring it up again.

 

Good we never have to hear it again because even if a mentally handicapped GM wanted to offer him a QO they couldn't. You can't offer a QO to someone traded midseason.

[TheCrew07]

Hey genius, If I could predict the future, I wouldn't be commenting on here...