2015 Draft Pick Discussion, Rounds 1-5

[BrewersAA]

eh, he was my least favorite... Thats okay though, i dont know much compared to the brewers.

[SRB]

Good pick, good pick. Another high-ceiling guy, not a "conservative" college pitcher.

[TheCrew07]

1) Because I was responding to a post that mentioned nothing about draft position.

 

B) Because, with the exception of Rogers, I picked players that were picked around where the Brewers are picking this year (Gold - #13, Sheets - #10, Jones - #12, Jeffress - #16). Rogers, being a #5 overall pick and a HS pitcher, also helps prove my point. Not sure how that ignores draft position.

 

3) Because prior to 2010, when draft pick protection was implemented for players who didn't sign, many HS pitchers were drafted later than they should have been because of signability. Thus many college pitchers would have been drafted later than they actually were if the rules of today's draft were in place.

 

4) Because the original post mentioned nothing about comparing different draft years.

 

Okay, but then why exclude Jungmann and Bradley then? At least present an even argument instead of cherry picking the absolute best case which fits your argument.

[narwhalattack]

I don't know much about him. The little I read about him isn't particularly awe-inspiring.

[Eye Black]

eh, he was my least favorite... Thats okay though, i dont know much compared to the brewers.

The little bit I watched of him I wasn't all that enamored, but I guess I need to see more to get a feel for him.

[splitterpfj]

Clark is a solid pick, I forgot he was there, because I hadn't expected him to get that far. Upside, yes, lefty bat, yes.

[zjl3]

Extremely happy with this pick.

[BrewersAA]

his arm and speed wont allow him to stay in center, his power wont allow him to stay on a corner, I just dont like these tweener guys, but you never know what a team thinks they can fix or improve.

[LouisEly]

Okay, but then why exclude Jungmann and Bradley then? At least present an even argument instead of cherry picking the absolute best case which fits your argument.

Because the original post was a blanket statement claiming/suggesting that all college pitchers are abused and never work out, thus HS pitchers are better. I was never stating that college pitchers, as a blanket statement, are better; I was stating that not all college pitchers are abused and thus flame out. Some college pitchers, like Sheets, do very well.

 

It's about the context of the original post, not what you infer from my response.

[brewmann04]

seems we have a good young stable of Outfielders to the addition of SS.

[brewcrewdue80]

Very odd grip of bat it's like he chokes up it 2". The Contact should be there in his swing but I'm not confident in the power, unless he improves the swing mechanics. I was not a fan in my assessment. pretty brutal saying he must be Billy Hamilton only faster. Have fun with a .550OPS. Yep we drafted that guy.

 

 

I was trying to think what his swing may remind me of. Game to me as a Lefty Moises Alou.

[homer]

I'll take a high school bat over a college arm any day at that point in the draft. Aiken would have been interesting but I don't think the Brewers are a team that can risk a pick on a guy like that. Some bigger market with money to burn will probably take him.

[narwhalattack]

He seems to have a really good hit tool, but average in other areas.

[TheCrew07]

Clark is interesting, probably BPA, but unorthodox. I like the pick way more than any of the 4yr pitchers the Brewers were linked to.

[colbyjack]

Brewers fans should be happy with this pick as many to most never expected to make it there. One of the best pure hitters in the draft and he has some speed to boot. Here's his PG report:

 

Trenton Clark – OF

 

Height/Weight: 6-0/200

Bats/Throws: L/L

High School: Richland

Hometown: Fort Worth, Texas

Travel Team: D-BAT

Commitment: Texas Tech

Projected Draft Round: 1

 

The sample size is growing larger and larger for Trenton Clark. The north Texas outfielder can flat out hit. And not only is he incredibly consistent about squaring up the baseball, the lefthanded hitter appears to have a complete offensive package of tools and skills.

 

The evidence line reads as follows. Clark hit .458-10-34 as a high school junior. He then dominated the Tournament of Stars as a previously unheralded prospect, then hit .565 with three home runs and 10 walks for the USA National 18u team. This spring he's off to a .550-1-5 start in five games, with 11 walks against two strikeouts.

 

Clark's patience and vision at the plate immediately stand out when you watch him play over a multi-day period. He's not afraid to work counts, is loathe to swing at anything he can't square up and treats a walk with the enthusiasm most hitters treat a line drive in the gap. It would be a big surprise if he wasn't a high on-base performer at the next level.

 

Clark's speed is also impactful. He regularly runs in the 4.0 to 4.1 range from the left side and boosts his average with a steady flow of infield hits. He's also already shown that he's practiced in the art of bunting and will bunt for a base hit if given the opportunity.

 

Although he has obviously shown home run power, that is one area of his offensive package that most scouts will likely only grade out as big league average. Part of that reason relates to swing plane and his swing approach, which is more line drive/gap oriented. The other is that Clark has a very unusual split hand grip on the bat that is hard to even describe, let alone quantify as being able to produce consistent lift against high level pitching.

 

The last part of Clark's overall package, his defensive ability, is also solid. His speed obviously plays well in the outfield and he has a solid average throwing arm, if not a tick above average. He'll likely be able to play all three outfield positions as needed over the next decade unless he slows down significantly.

 

Add that all up and you have a player who increasingly looks like a solid first rounder come June.

 

Plus some video (I don't know how to embed in these posts anymore):

 

[3and2Fastball]

Kind of a weird looking swing from Clark and as others said somewhat of a tweener. Think they missed on not taking Daz Cameron. I'm glad they didn't take a college starter just to take one though

[SRB]

his arm and speed wont allow him to stay in center, his power wont allow him to stay on a corner, I just dont like these tweener guys, but you never know what a team thinks they can fix or improve.

 

He has a great hit tool though, he doesn't necessarily need plus power.

[narwhalattack]

Clark is interesting, probably BPA, but unorthodox. I like the pick way more than any of the 4yr pitchers the Brewers were linked to.

 

IIRC you prefer hitters with good hit tool over hitters with good raw power but questionable bat, correct?

[BrewersAA]

i wanted Nikorak

[TheCrew07]

Okay, but then why exclude Jungmann and Bradley then? At least present an even argument instead of cherry picking the absolute best case which fits your argument.

Because the original post was a blanket statement claiming/suggesting that all college pitchers are abused and never work out, thus HS pitchers are better. I was never stating that college pitchers, as a blanket statement, are better; I was stating that not all college pitchers are abused and thus flame out. Some college pitchers, like Sheets, do very well.

 

It's about the context of the original post, not what you infer from my response.

Ya that's it... I inferred that you cherry picked another argument, regardless I'm done with this conversation.

[LouisEly]

Can he play CF? Not a fan if he only profiles as a corner OF.

[wichmae]

his arm and speed wont allow him to stay in center, his power wont allow him to stay on a corner, I just dont like these tweener guys, but you never know what a team thinks they can fix or improve.

 

He has a great hit tool though, he doesn't necessarily need plus power.

He also has really good speed too.

[igor67]

I respect the projection concern on his power, but considering 2 of the guys in the top 10 this year weren't even drafted, and 2 of the players showed power for the first time this year to leap into the top 10 I wouldn't throw up my hands and think he won't develop enough for LF.

[MrTPlush]

Considered one of the best pure hitters in the draft(if not the best). Speed/hard contact/good baserunning skills/power potential. Very well could stay in CF.

 

Pretty good pick at #15. A lot of places had him in the Top 10 prospects and going as high as #4. Hard to complain with the pick.

 

People need to remember he is just 18. He will grow still...Hard to totally project him right now.

[jw5511986]

Any chance Clark could be an underslot guy?