We're Number Five! We're Number Five! - The 2016 MLB Draft Thread

[MrTPlush]

There isn't draft coverage because the amount of people that want to divulge their lives into guys that are 18, won't be in the majors for 5 years, and quite honestly will most likely will fail is slim to none.

 

NFL NBA drafts are more popular because those guys can make an impact right away. They will change your team for next year vs. 5 years down the road.

[TooLiveBrew]

The MLB Network actually does a pretty good job of covering the draft. Between the network & the website, you can get a lot of info. I don't think they're the best at rating or ranking the talent, but I do think they do a solid job covering a lot of prospects.

[brewmann04]

All i can say at this point is hope the Brewers do their homework on Groome

[narwhalattack]

All i can say at this point is hope the Brewers do their homework on Groome

 

If he's even around by the time they pick.

[brewmann04]

He might be if people do their home work can't say more at this point.

[Eye Black]

He might be if people do their home work can't say more at this point.

I am sure everyone is doing their home work on Jason Groome. In fact here is a photo to prove it from his outing tonight where he threw a 19 strikeout no hitter in which he was running his fastball up to 97-mph...(ARTICLE LINK)....

 

http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2016/04/11/NJGroup/AsburyPark/635960047128192824-groome13.jpg

[beekay414]

Groome's going 1-1 pretty easily if you ask me. I'm hoping we are sending multiple people down to Puerto Rico to watch Delvin Perez closely. That's who I'm targeting at 1-5. Otherwise, I'm looking long and hard at Nolan Jones. That's, of course, if we continue down the high school path with our first round pick. Unfortunately, I think Groome and Pint are both gone at 1-1 and 1-2 and almost all the best bats in this class are outfielders which we already have a glut of. I have no problem taking the talent no matter the position but if Perez and Jones show you ANYTHING that says they'll click, you take one of them. Ceiling is sky high on Perez if he hits. Jones just needs to add power this Spring to become an elite prospect IMO. Both are toolsheds.

[brewmann04]

thanks for the link and I sure your right about Gromme not being there but I believe their are some red flags.

[And That]

Groome is almost certainly gone, but Pint could feasibly slip. If the Reds take Senzel, the Braves could decide to take one of the HS bats (Perez, Rutherford, Moniak, etc.), and the Rockies have had so many weird first round picks over the years that I'm not convinced they would take Pint either.

[Jenkins5]

Groome's going 1-1 pretty easily if you ask me. I'm hoping we are sending multiple people down to Puerto Rico to watch Delvin Perez closely. That's who I'm targeting at 1-5. Otherwise, I'm looking long and hard at Nolan Jones. That's, of course, if we continue down the high school path with our first round pick. Unfortunately, I think Groome and Pint are both gone at 1-1 and 1-2 and almost all the best bats in this class are outfielders which we already have a glut of. I have no problem taking the talent no matter the position but if Perez and Jones show you ANYTHING that says they'll click, you take one of them. Ceiling is sky high on Perez if he hits. Jones just needs to add power this Spring to become an elite prospect IMO. Both are toolsheds.

 

Can you go more in depth about Nolan Jones? I have seen a rapid rise from him lately and have dug much into him since originally people though he was a late 1st to 2nd round guy. Interested to know more about him or why him over Lowe. I agree with Perez but with all these college guys outside of Senzel, Ray, Lewis completely disappointing this season so far, I wouldn't be shocked if Groome, Pint, Perez are all gone before 5.

 

Heard Blake Rutherford linked to Brewers and Ray Montgomery a few times. Seems like someone Ray would like. He does have .300 25 HR potential and ability to play 3 spots in OF. My best bet is LF someday though. Not a big arm for RF (plenty of arms in Brewers system bigger) and like Clark, can play a good CF but not the pure athlete some of the other guys are.

 

Colby you have any updates from the Spring so far? Some names of guys linked, some risers, guys to watch out for?

[Eye Black]

thanks for the link and I sure your right about Gromme not being there but I believe their are some red flags.

So you've insinuated this a couple of times now. Is it mere speculation or is there evidence of some issue?

[Jenkins5]

thanks for the link and I sure your right about Gromme not being there but I believe their are some red flags.

So you've insinuated this a couple of times now. Is it mere speculation on your is there evidence of some issue?

 

If there is red flags, no scout in baseball is mentioning one. The raves are endless with Groome. UCL injury right now wouldn't even knock him out of top 10 imo. The arm, command, size, polish, and etc are all so impressive with him.

[QuevedosTongue]

thanks for the link and I sure your right about Gromme not being there but I believe their are some red flags.

 

I don't think there are red flags as much as just a feeling that this guy isn't as good as some of what's been at the top of the draft in the past. And there are a lot of teams who don't even want to consider a HS pitcher early in the draft. And the fact that he is from New Jersey.

 

So, he's not Kershaw, he's young, and he's not from 'baseball country.' Those seem to me to be the red flags, at least as far as I've heard.

 

I've also heard 'makeup issues' regarding Delvin Perez. No idea what they might be, but it's a rumor that's out there.

[paul253]

This draft is shaping up to be rather disappointing for me. I was confident we'd be able to a get a starter with at least #2 potential but I don't see that happening anymore. Hanson is struggling mightily and his control seems awful. I wouldn't touch that. Groome will be #1. Pint is probably going to be gone. Put will probably be gone. Our system is still relatively thin in high end pitching talent. I was hoping we could improve that with the number five overall pick but it's looking unlikely.

[Jenkins5]

Hansen was kicked out of rotation I believe, he is a 2nd round flyer as of right now I think. He has huge arm but a lot of work.

 

Lowe, Rutherford, Perez, Groome, Pint..... One of them has to be there at 5. Lot of good arms that should be sitting there with pick 2. There is good depth in pitching just not a ton of elite arms at the top.

[MrTPlush]

Yah this draft gets worse by the day. Honestly it is getting to the point I secretly hope our top pick doesn't sign for whateber reason and we can have the #6 pick next year.

 

That or I want a low slot signing to pick up some player in rounds 2/3 for above slot.

[Jenkins5]

Yah this draft gets worse by the day. Honestly it is getting to the point I secretly hope our top pick doesn't sign for whateber reason and we can have the #6 pick next year.

 

That or I want a low slot signing to pick up some player in rounds 2/3 for above slot.

 

Lol I don't feel it's that bad, not 2005 like we were hoping for or one with 4-5 Aces but we get a real nice prospect still. Ceiling of Lowe, Rutherford, Perez, Pint , Groome all get me very excited. Puk.... No please. Ray meh, Lewis mixed on. Senzel, I'll live with, he'll give you a high average bat at hot corner who can move quick. Conner Jones is a hard working middle rotation guy who seems safe to at least a #5 type. Not much ceiling but solid

[colbyjack]

Not sure where the sour attitude is coming from. So Hansen isn't in the mix for a top 3-5 pick anymore, but I'm still pretty confident with his size and the ease of which he throws he goes in the top 10-15. I've heard most of the spring the Phillies may not take one of the prep arms, but even if they don't it's likely they go with the next two picks, so I'm not really expecting either one of them to be there.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Blake Rutherford is my personal #1 prospect for this draft and I'm glad to hear the Brewers connected to him. I know a lot of people want a certain player with the first round pick but you just can't narrow your sights like that with the MLB Draft. And even if the pick isn't Rutherford there are still plenty of other names worth getting excited about. It's a good draft, with really good depth.

[paul253]

Colby I still believe we will get avery good player. Like I said I was just hoping for a player with one or two potential. I know you can't focus on one or two guys, although it's tempting with a top five pick, but I just can't help be disappointed with another outfielder. I don't need to revisit the BPA vs Position of need argument. Again, I was just hoping to be able to grab a super talented player while filling a pretty big organizational hole.

[Jenkins5]

Is there any other risers Colby that may be in discussion? Nolan Jones, Josh Lowe Ian Anderson type guys. Or any college guys flying up board that Brewers may be interested in. Have heard anyone else they have been connected to at all or like?

[colbyjack]

Paul, I hear you. I've been on the other side for a few years now where I feel like the Brewers need to get an impact bat (or more) into the system. We have some good position player prospects, and while everyone has varying opinions on how some guys like Gilbert Lara and Clint Coulter will eventually turn out to become, we're lacking that one true middle of the order threat, in my humble opinion of course.

 

Don't lose hope as there's still a chance one of Groome, Pint or Puk falls to the team's pick. Puk supposedly is pitching tomorrow night for Florida and was 96-99 before getting pulled in his last start a week and a half ago with an oblique strain (10 pitches into the game). He's been a slow starter each of his three years in college so if he finishes strong he could still be a premium pick.

 

Nolan Jones is rising but I haven't heard his name being associated as a legit top 10 pick. One of my co-workers is actually going out to see Ian Anderson pitch today, and yes his name is certainly one that has been moving up (although we already had him ranked pretty high). Dakota Hudson of Mississippi State has risen, but again, I'm not sure to the point where you take him at #5. Prep lefty Braxton Garrett and Virginia RHP Connor Jones are both doing quite well for themselves and Robert Tyler is also enjoying a huge season for Georgia (although he can't spin a breaking ball despite throwing a deadly fastball/changeup combo).

 

Nick Senzel could be in the mix for the 1st overall pick as a relatively safe bet to produce at the big league level similar to a David Wright or Ryan Zimmerman type of player. Drew Mendoza, a prep SS/3B, also has some serious helium this spring with a growing belief he could stick at SS. Zack Collins of Miami could be a Schwarber type, Zack Burdi is drawing a surprising amount of interest from teams with a pick in the 10-15 range and Will Craig of Wake Forest is putting up ridiculous numbers and could be taken higher than expected by a team that loves metrics. Auburn's Anfernee Grier has helped his stock tremendously with his season, as has Ryan Boldt of Nebraska, and Lucas Erceg could also be a name to keep an eye on. Erceg plays at Menlo, an NAIA program after playing at Cal a year ago. He's a lefthanded slugger that currently plays 3B but may have to move to RF down the road. Big-time swing/power.

 

Another name to watch is Taylor Trammell, a dual-sport super-toolsy player from Georgia. However, I haven't heard any player, other than Rutherford, specifically associated with the Brewers but I imagine I will over the next 6-8 weeks.

 

We're going to be posting our updated top 100 prospect list tomorrow and conducting a chat if you're interested. I usually try not to promote what we're doing over there on this forum (or at least I try to keep it to a minimum), but check the PG site tomorrow morning for details.

[MrTPlush]

I would take my chances with Puk at #5. The kid just has enormous potential. He could be a mechanical adjustment from being Chris Sale and even if you can't figure it out he is still probably a really good starter. Outside of him I am on the fence on some of the outfielders. Quite a few of them are HS prospects and that is taking a big gamble thinking they will turn into what you think they can. Trying to go below slot is always an option, but pretty hard to predict what that could look like at this point.

[splitterpfj]

There's nothing to feel bad about with this draft class, the Brewers absolutely should come out with a future stud with their first pick.

 

If you're feeling negative, because you were sure the Brewers would grab a big arm, and now you're not so sure .... relax. What's wrong with getting one of the top 2 hitters in the entire draft, for instance?

[heresrobin]

Just for argument's sake, what do people think of Mickey Moniak and would you consider him over Blake Rutherford? Moniak is 11+ months younger, has a really sweet swing from the left side, and might have a better chance at sticking in CF than Rutherford - Moniak seems to have a little bit more range. Also, Rutherford is going to be 19 in May, so he's been old for his class - does that concern anyone? I'd just like to hear some takes on this since I'm trying to decide who I like better.

[Jenkins5]

Just for argument's sake, what do people think of Mickey Moniak and would you consider him over Blake Rutherford? Moniak is 11+ months younger, has a really sweet swing from the left side, and might have a better chance at sticking in CF than Rutherford - Moniak seems to have a little bit more range. Also, Rutherford is going to be 19 in May, so he's been old for his class - does that concern anyone? I'd just like to hear some takes on this since I'm trying to decide who I like better.

 

I love Mickey! Guy can flat out hit! He is like a Joangtel Segovia hit tool type player with much more speed and ability to stick in CF. Never will have much power but if as long as he hits, walks, and plays defense the way he is capable of, he will be an everyday CF. Issue is, Blake offers much more bang for you buck since he has the hit tool, the power, good speed, and is much more of the middle of the order bat you hope for. Mickey will be a good lead-off hitter but will never have the ceiling of Rutherford to produce the big middle of order numbers.