We're Number Five! We're Number Five! - The 2016 MLB Draft Thread

[splitterpfj]

Why is Rutherford a top 5?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blake-rutherford-shows-tools-of-a-top-five-draft-pick/

[splitterpfj]

Just not sure how you can love one and hate the other. Only difference is the fact Ray is a college guy and has a better chance to stay in CF.

 

Corey Ray:

 

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 55 | Overall: 55

 

Blake Rutherford:

 

Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 55 | Run: 60 | Arm: 50 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55

 

Neither do I ... they both belong.

[DR28]

Why is Rutherford a top 5?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blake-rutherford-shows-tools-of-a-top-five-draft-pick/

 

Wow!!!! MOO hitter and multiple AS appearances, love reading that!

 

In my mind, he’s the definitive top hitting prospect in this year’s prep class and belongs in the top tier of position players – along with Louisville’s Corey Ray, Florida’s Buddy Reed and Mercer’s Kyle Lewis – who deserve strong consideration as top-five overall picks. With a combination of skills and athleticism that recalls Grady Sizemore, he has the potential to hit his way into the middle of a major-league order and make multiple All-Star teams.

 

Ok I want either Rutherford or Collins at 5!

[beekay414]

Ray is not a top 5 talent. At all.

[Warning Track Power]

I will not complain with any of Puk, Groome, Pint or Rutherford. My only complaint will be with an under slot guy to save money later.

[splitterpfj]

Ray is not a top 5 talent. At all.

 

Fair enough .... but why not?

[And That]

Why is Rutherford a top 5?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blake-rutherford-shows-tools-of-a-top-five-draft-pick/

 

Rutherford is loose and well coordinated

 

Helluva combination.

[And That]

Maybe the Brewers throw a complete change up and go with RHP Dakota Hudson?

If it's a change up, guessing that change up will be either Josh Lowe or Braxton Garrett. Can't see them taking a relatively safe pick in Hudson with all the other toolsy guys still on the board.

[beekay414]

Ray is not a top 5 talent. At all.

 

Fair enough .... but why not?

 

The power grade isn't accurate, I HIGHLY doubt the power translates. He's hitting wall scrapers with a metal bat and he's a smaller guy so there's no projection when it comes to his power. He'll be lucky to hit 10 HRs a season in the bigs. He's more gap power than HR power. I just don't see the 55 grade that MLB.com gave him. I think it's more 40-45 and maybe a 50 at his peak (if everything goes perfect for him). I also really doubt his CF abilities. I think he's a corner outfielder more so than a CF. He's got the speed for CF but he doesn't understand the routes to the ball at the position. You certainly try him there, I just doubt he translates. He's solid and safe but he's not a top 5 talent.

[Jenkins5]

Maybe the Brewers throw a complete change up and go with RHP Dakota Hudson?

If it's a change up, guessing that change up will be either Josh Lowe or Braxton Garrett. Can't see them taking a relatively safe pick in Hudson with all the other toolsy guys still on the board.

 

Best change up imaginable, Lowe & Garrett are outstanding picks at 5

[ZBTMP]

 

Since the Brewers went with Trent Clark over the likes of Brady Aiken last year, I hope they don't make the same mistake again.

Wait, what? The guy with the 162 wRC+ in his first professional season was a mistake over the guy who has yet to pitch professionally?

[beekay414]

Clark was a great pick last year. However, guys like Clark at 15 are way better than taking an older, similar prospect at #5 the very next year. I'll all but guarantee that Trent Clark will be better than Corey Ray.

[beekay414]

Only way I'll be okay with Ray is if he signs for well under slot. I mean, enough to take a bonus baby with our 2nd rounder.

[MrTPlush]

Lucky to hit 10 homers in a year? Come on now. You are telling me every scout on the planet is crazy and wrong?

[beekay414]

Lucky to hit 10 homers in a year? Come on now. You are telling me every scout on the planet is crazy and wrong?

 

Oh, you're one of those guys that picks one thing and runs with it rather than reading statements as a whole. Cool. Considering I expanded on it by saying I could see a 50 grade (around 15 HRs) at his peak, I already elaborated on it. I also said he'd be lucky to hit 10 HRs a season meaning career average, not "he'll never hit more than 10 in a season." Yes. I've seen more than enough of Ray to form my own opinions so...

[Mudville9]

Why is Rutherford a top 5?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/blake-rutherford-shows-tools-of-a-top-five-draft-pick/

 

That is a very pretty swing. I like Rutherford a lot, but if Puk, Pint, Groome, Lewis is there, we better get a nice discount on top of it.

[splitterpfj]

Ray is not a top 5 talent. At all.

 

Fair enough .... but why not?

 

The power grade isn't accurate, I HIGHLY doubt the power translates. He's hitting wall scrapers with a metal bat and he's a smaller guy so there's no projection when it comes to his power. He'll be lucky to hit 10 HRs a season in the bigs. He's more gap power than HR power. I just don't see the 55 grade that MLB.com gave him. I think it's more 40-45 and maybe a 50 at his peak (if everything goes perfect for him). I also really doubt his CF abilities. I think he's a corner outfielder more so than a CF. He's got the speed for CF but he doesn't understand the routes to the ball at the position. You certainly try him there, I just doubt he translates. He's solid and safe but he's not a top 5 talent.

 

Whether Ray proves you to be right or wrong .... this was an excellent response.

 

Thank you for forming an opinion, and laying it out.

[reillymcshane]

If Lewis drops, I'd be hard pressed not to take him. The one thing our system lacks is a true power hitter. Lewis ranked in top 10 or so with HRs, walks, BA, SLG - all the big number things a team wants. Collins equals Lewis in many things, but strikes out a lot more, and is way less athletic than Lewis. I'm skeptical Collins sticking at catcher - he has been labeled as having a 'fringy' arm and 'doesn't move well behind the plate' (link below) - that screams 1B. And add in the 30 'run' score, and you have a very one-dimensional player.

 

All that said, I've hardly seen these guys play - we go off stats and scouting reports. You have to see these guys play as well, and people like me can only speculate based upon limited resources. If the club thinks Collins game translates better than a guy like Lewis, then so be it.

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=draft

[wichmae]

I will accept any pick. However I think Ray would be the most under whelming. At this point its really looking like he is the guy. If they do take him it better be under slot.

[paul253]

Just a comment on our current outfielders. I agree that after Clark and Phillips the talent level goes down. I'm extremely disappointed by Taylor and Coulter This year. But the opportunities to get good outfielders are so much more prevalent than the opportunities to get good pitchers. Solid outfielders are usually cheaper in FA. Teams are generally more willing to trade outfield prospects. And it's usually easier to get one inthe draft. Plus you can stick someone in the outfield if they can't cut it in the infield (Braun and Coulter for example) Look at last year we got Clark at 15. Unless the draft is absolutely stacked you're not getting a potential #1 at 15. I just think we HAVE to take Groome Pint or Puk if available, maybe even Garrett if they think he's TOR potential.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm betting on a college player that can get to the majors by 2018, be a middle of the order hitter with power, and that's Collins. Villar's success, their belief in Santana, along with readiness of Aricia, Hader, Nottingham, and some others, will make them see an opportunity with the first wave to be competitive the same year the Cubs will have to spend a ton to maintain their pitching staff at it's present level. They lack a quality 1B anywhere, and while you can find them on the market every year, growing one means resources can go elsewhere and who knows, if he can catch, Collins gives them an option should Nottingham fail to fulfill his promise.

[beekay414]

Whether Ray proves you to be right or wrong .... this was an excellent response.

 

Thank you for forming an opinion, and laying it out.

No problem man. I know I'm newer here but I typically don't form an opinion without proper knowledge on what I'm arguing. I'm certainly not rooting against Ray, I hope he has a great career, I'm just hesitant on him at #5. Hoping Atlanta takes him at #3.

[DougJonesChangeUp]

Not too enamored with Ray either. Seems to really struggle against lefties.

[Jenkins5]

 

The power grade isn't accurate, I HIGHLY doubt the power translates. He's hitting wall scrapers with a metal bat and he's a smaller guy so there's no projection when it comes to his power. He'll be lucky to hit 10 HRs a season in the bigs. He's more gap power than HR power. I just don't see the 55 grade that MLB.com gave him. I think it's more 40-45 and maybe a 50 at his peak (if everything goes perfect for him). I also really doubt his CF abilities. I think he's a corner outfielder more so than a CF. He's got the speed for CF but he doesn't understand the routes to the ball at the position. You certainly try him there, I just doubt he translates. He's solid and safe but he's not a top 5 talent.

 

 

Exactly, great analysis. Every time I hear Ray & Brewers I cringe. Not because he isn't a very good player but because he simply doesn't have the star ceiling others have. I don't plan or hope we are in top 5 again for long time.... That means don't waste a top pick on a safe player. Put you chips in & grab a guy who has the raw tools to be a star. Lewis, Groome, Pint, Perez ( before PEDs), and etc those guys have "it" factors & tools about them. Ray is simply solid across board.

[Raw Biz]

I'm betting on a college player that can get to the majors by 2018, be a middle of the order hitter with power, and that's Collins. Villar's success, their belief in Santana, along with readiness of Aricia, Hader, Nottingham, and some others, will make them see an opportunity with the first wave to be competitive the same year the Cubs will have to spend a ton to maintain their pitching staff at it's present level. They lack a quality 1B anywhere, and while you can find them on the market every year, growing one means resources can go elsewhere and who knows, if he can catch, Collins gives them an option should Nottingham fail to fulfill his promise.

 

Oh please no. The last thing we want is another 2011 where we drafted not one, but two, guys who were supposed to be ready in 2 years. Don't sacrifice talent, especially at #5, just because a guy might be up a year or two earlier. Get the most talent no matter what. We have other guys in the system that could very well make a big jump this year or next and be ready to help in 2018.