We're Number Five! We're Number Five! - The 2016 MLB Draft Thread

[trwi7]

If the board broke like that and we still took Pint, I would not be a fan of that at all.

 

Because?

 

3 top players I'd like to see Milwaukee draft one of are all there. Pint/Groome can just turn out like a draft with Scherzer and Kershaw. Both frontline starters/Aces. Win/win regardless the choice.

 

Because Pint is a distant 3rd on who I would pick in that spot.

 

1. Groome

2. Perez

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Pint

[narwhalattack]

If the board broke like that and we still took Pint, I would not be a fan of that at all.

 

Because?

 

3 top players I'd like to see Milwaukee draft one of are all there. Pint/Groome can just turn out like a draft with Scherzer and Kershaw. Both frontline starters/Aces. Win/win regardless the choice.

 

Because Pint is a distant 3rd on who I would pick in that spot.

 

1. Groome

2. Perez

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Pint

 

... Still doesn't address the reason why you don't like him.

[trwi7]

Because the Brewers have historically done terribly with pitchers like Pint who can't locate for crap. With Groome you're getting top level stuff and the ability to locate and more polish.

 

I'm not using a top 5 pick on a pitcher that the Brewers have never been able to develop. Until they show they can (in a later round), I'm staying far away from pitchers like Pint.

[splitterpfj]

I asked Jonathan Mayo ...

 

"Daz Cameron went later last year over money .... who's that guy this year?"

 

He said ...

 

"One of the HS pitchers..Matt Manning or maybe Ian Anderson? 3b Drew Mendoza a possibility."

[paul253]

Until they show they can (in a later round), I'm staying far away from pitchers like Pint.

 

That's not really fair. Guys in the later rounds are generally going to be harder to develop anyway just because theoretically they are not as good. Additionally, it's not like the Brewers have done a bang up job developing college first rounders either. Bradley and Arnett were busts. Jungmann made it but has struggled pretty bad since his hot start. We did hit on Nelson and Thirnburg out of the college ranks, but we also hit on Lopez and Gallardo out of HS. I think the Brewers went through a phase in which pretty much every pitcher they took was bad. Things have gotten better though. I still prefer Groome but I'd be fine with Pint. Those are my top two.

[patrickgpe]

IF senzel is there at 5 do you take him? i don't think Puk will be. The brewers traditionally do not look at college bats but there is no 3rd base options in the system, it makes sense to me. In my opinion he is the best college bat in the draft.

[brewcrewdue80]

IF senzel is there at 5 do you take him? i don't think Puk will be. The brewers traditionally do not look at college bats but there is no 3rd base options in the system, it makes sense to me. In my opinion he is the best college bat in the draft.

 

Jacob Gatewood questions that no 3b options. He's inching up to better numbers. Oh, and Gilbert Lara is a 3b option. These two are younger than Senzel still, Lara by 20months. From the looks of Senzel's Tools grades, both Lara and Gatewood possess a higher ceiling.

 

There also seems to be some depth for 3b in the late 1st/2nd round rankings. I'd guess the Ace to #2 SPs won't last to 2nd round as compared to your toolsy 3b from the looks of it. If anything, I'd expect Senzel to fall based on the 3b depth.

[Eye Black]

Random Draft Fact: I find it mildly interesting that if the Brewers end up drafting Jason Groome it would the second LHP they've drafted out of Barnegat HS (NJ) in the past four years. The first being LHP Mark McCoy who the Brewers drafted in the 26th round in 2012 before he opted to attend Rutgers and was ultimately redrafted in last year's 29th round by the Kansas City Royals. Barnegat is a school of around 1,000 students total that apparently can develop lefties!

[3and2Fastball]

Random Draft Fact: I find it mildly interesting that if the Brewers end up drafting Jason Groome it would the second LHP they've drafted out of Barnegat HS (NJ) in the past four years. The first being LHP Mark McCoy who the Brewers drafted in the 26th round in 2012 before he opted to attend Rutgers and was ultimately redrafted in last year's 29th round by the Kansas City Royals. Barnegat is a school of around 1,000 students total that apparently can develop lefties!

 

Interesting but not quite as impressive as Donora, PA which gave the Baseball world both Stan Musial & Ken Griffey JR

 

Still hoping for Pint or Groome. Don't get the fascination with Perez

[markedman5]

[brewmann04]

you hope they did their homework their on this kid he has all the tools but remember he a young hs kid who might think all the rules don't apply to him

[brewcrewdue80]

 

Would not be happy with a Zach Collins pick unless it came beyond 1st pick.

 

 

Still hoping for Pint or Groome. Don't get the fascination with Perez

 

I'm hoping it doesn't matter on Perez with 1 or both Pint/Groome being available at #5.

But the love is a ML SS no doubt. And has offensive upside. (Read: CarlosCorrea ) type of draft pick. SS are riding a wave of talent and I'd assume if you're ranked #1 SS in a draft right now your value is higher than it was 5+years ago.

 

I personally didn't like the pull side tendency. He appears to swing for the fences at times with pulling it to a shorter fence.

[Eye Black]

I wondered about the Zack Collins possibility the other day. It could be somewhat similar to when the Cubs blindsided everyone two years ago by taking Kyle Schwarber at the #4 overall selection and then signing him for $1.5 million less than slot value. They were able to use the pool savings to sign some pitchers (including Dylan Cease) for significantly overslot.

 

In this draft which has some good high school players (especially arms) further down the draft board I wonder if that is something the Brewers are considering trying to emulate. One thing that could be tricky however is it seems like there are enough teams that are going to be playing with extra pool money (i.e. Atlanta, Cincinnati, Philadelphia, San Diego) that it may make counting on overslot signings a risky proposition. In a sense they may be able to keep each other somewhat honest because they all have extra money to allocate as needed on an elite player that falls down the board.

[MrTPlush]

Looking at the draft order I would have to agree attempting an underslot plan might be ill advised. The Reds, Braves, and Padres all have a ton of picks before we have our second pick.

 

Actually I can only see one scenario where drafting Zack Collins to save money would make sense. It would probably take Groome, Perez, Pint, and Puk being picked before us for that to make any sense. If that happens you could probably count on the four teams before you signing the picks near slot. However, as mentioned the Padres still have three picks to play with even if that happened.

[Eye Black]

I agree with you. The Braves trade last week for the Orioles competative balance pick was significant because it increased their draft pool to over $13 million. The Reds and Phillies are also each over $13 million, and the Padres are just shy of $13 million. That looks significant when you take into account the Brewers have a total draft pool allotment of just $9.364 million. Trying to get creative with manipulating slot values could burn the Brewers.

 

I guess the exception could be if they were going to go overslot on a guy they knew the other teams with big pools did not covet... or if they had several options as far as players they would be willing to go overslot for so they weren't concerned with the other teams taking all of their targets. Seems like tricky business, but I assume if they take the risk it would be a calculated one.

[patrickgpe]

I always believed that drafting pitching (especially high school) is very risky. The brewers haven't exactly had the best luck with this.

 

Perez is an interesting pick, and I would be fine with this pick.

 

The pick I am pushing is Senzel, he is an advanced player that could be up in 2-3 years when the brewers rebuild (knock on wood) is rapping up. I would also like Corey Ray.

 

Personally I would be fine with the 3 high school pitchers, Senzel, Ray, or Perez.

 

My preference would be a college bat though.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I always believed that drafting pitching (especially high school) is very risky. The brewers haven't exactly had the best luck with this.

 

Perez is an interesting pick, and I would be fine with this pick.

 

The pick I am pushing is Senzel, he is an advanced player that could be up in 2-3 years when the brewers rebuild (knock on wood) is rapping up. I would also like Corey Ray.

 

Personally I would be fine with the 3 high school pitchers, Senzel, Ray, or Perez.

 

My preference would be a college bat though.

Personally I don't think Senzel will ever tap into average to above average power which scares me with him being a 3rd baseman

[Eye Black]

Thought this might serve as a helpful reference. Below are the players selected on the first day (rounds 1-2 including supplemental picks) of the draft with Ray Montgomery overseeing scouting (Dbacks from 2011-2014 and Brewers in 2015). Based on the track record it appears he has gone for high upside players early in the draft more often than not.

 

[pre]Year Rnd DT OvPck RdPck Tm Name Pos Type Drafted Out of

2011 1 3 3 Diamondbacks Trevor Bauer RHP 4Yr University of California Los Angeles (Los Angeles CA)

2011 1s 7 7 Diamondbacks *Archie Bradley RHP HS Broken Arrow HS (Broken Arrow OK)

2011 1s 43 43 Diamondbacks *Andrew Chafin LHP 4Yr Kent State University (Kent OH)

2011 2 63 3 Diamondbacks Anthony Meo RHP 4Yr Coastal Carolina University (Conway SC)

2012 1 26 26 Diamondbacks Stryker Trahan C HS Acadiana HS (Lafayette LA)

2012 2 90 30 Diamondbacks Jose Munoz SS HS Los Altos HS (Hacienda Heights CA)

2013 1 15 15 Diamondbacks Braden Shipley RHP 4Yr University of Nevada-Reno (Reno NV)

2013 1 36 36 Diamondbacks Aaron Blair RHP 4Yr Marshall University (Huntington WV)

2013 2 52 13 Diamondbacks Justin Williams SS HS Terrebonne HS (Houma LA)

2014 1 16 16 Diamondbacks Touki Toussaint RHP HS Coral Springs Christian Academy (Coral Springs FL)

2014 2 54 13 Diamondbacks Cody Reed LHP HS Ardmore HS (Ardmore AL)

2014 2 69 28 Diamondbacks Marcus Wilson OF HS Junipero Serra HS (Gardena CA)

2014 2 70 29 Diamondbacks Isan Diaz SS HS Springfield HS (Springfield MA)

2015 1 15 15 Brewers Trent Clark OF HS Richland HS (North Richland Hills TX)

2015 1 40 40 Brewers Nathan Kirby LHP 4Yr University of Virginia (Charlottesville VA)

2015 2 55 13 Brewers Cody Ponce RHP 4Yr California Polytechnic State University Pomona (Pomona CA)[/pre]

[billymac]

Jeff Ellis tweet...

 

"So looks like Blake Rutherford took down a tweet which said Los Angeles an arrow towards and Milwaukee"

 

Under slot deal?

[Eye Black]

Jeff Ellis tweet...

 

"So looks like Blake Rutherford took down a tweet which said Los Angeles an arrow towards and Milwaukee"

 

Under slot deal?

Here is the link to the TWEET from Ellis.

 

It would indicate obviously that Rutherford is likely attending the pre-draft workout at Miller Park. It would not necessarily indicate anything is imminent since there are likely other candidates for the Brewers first selection that will also be attending the pre-draft workout. It is also possible that they worked other candidates out at other locations as well.

 

It is interesting that he removed the tweet, so far things have been quiet regarding who is attending the Miller Park pre-draft workout, but if the workout is today the buzz should pick up soon.

[Austin Tatious]

Great research, Eye Black, on Ray Montgomery.

 

High upside would indicate Jason Groome, Riley Pint, Delvin Perez, Micky Moniak, and Blake Rutherford. You can see he has taken some high school pitchers like Touissant, Bradley etc. So, no reason to think he would be afraid of Groome and Pint. I'd be skeptical about Ray and Senzel being under strong consideration.

[The3rdManIn.com]

Just spoke with UW-Whitewater RHP Lake Bachar. He worked out for the Brewers today and will work out with the Cubs and Padres before the draft. A full story will be coming at www.the3rdmanin.com

 

https://twitter.com/DanZielinski3/statu ... 9048656896

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I'm really warming up to the idea of Josh Lowe at 5 just saying.

[DR28]

Secretly I love the MLB draft!

 

I'm really excited to see who the Brewers draft on Thursday!

[DR28]

Anyone think Groome will be around at #5?

 

I'm starting to like him more and more.