We're Number Five! We're Number Five! - The 2016 MLB Draft Thread

[reillymcshane]

At this point I'm hoping for Pint or Groome to fall to us. I'm good with either guy.

 

After that, I'm probably leaning toward Lewis.

 

Rutherford, Moniak and Perez sort of group together for me next. I like Senzel, but I don't know how big of an upside is there. Puk is really interesting, but he scares me probably more than anyone due to his control issues and inconsistency. I guess if the team feels they can help him get on track, he could have as much upside as anyone.

 

Honestly, we're going to get a really interesting player with some solid upside. I'd love an arm, but I'm good with any of the guys I listed above.

[nate82]

I want nothing to do with Pint. I believe he is a future reliever or closer at best. I just don't see him as a starter.

[splitterpfj]

Austin, Corey Ray will be among the first ten picks in this draft, and may very well be picked ahead of the Brewers' pick. You referred to him as a "middling guy" .... perhaps a bit harsh?

 

Your "what if" is perfectly valid, but if Ray is a perennial all-star while Puk takes the ball for the Yakult Swallows and Pint headlines for the Newark Bears, the Brewers are no better off.

 

I'm not in love with Corey Ray, I'd rather have Delvin Perez or Blake Rutherford, but you're all but dismissing a kid who has a heck of a lot of scouts recommending him right now.

[Bnowell4evr]

I don't think the dislike for Corey Ray has anything to do with his talent as a ball player. It all has to do with the him being yet another outfielder in a system that is full of them. People see Domingo Santana, Brett Phillips, Trent Clark, Monte Harrison, Demi Orimoloye etc and think the position is already in good hands going forward.

 

That said you never draft for need in the baseball draft and if he's the BPA then that's who you go with.

[3and2Fastball]

I keep reading about Delvin Perez being a glove first SS and not at all a sure thing with the bat. Not sure why we'd want him at 5

[And That]

As if on cue, Jim Callis has the Brewers taking Corey Ray in his latest mock. They pass on Groome and Pint and Perez:

 

1. Puk

2. Senzel

3. Lewis

4. Moniak

5. Ray

6. Groome

7. Pint

8. Perez

9. Manning

10. Rutherford

[JohnBriggs12]

Just saw interview with Zack Collins on MLB traderumors. What's not to like here? Power, patience, LH bat, from top program. Sure, he's projected to go lower, but so was Schwarber wasn't he? They invested a lot to get Nottingham but no reason not to have two stud catchers in the system and hope one can handle the job defensively and the other hits enough to play elsewhere.

 

I don't think there is any chance that Collins can stick at catcher, but his bat should play almost anywhere. He isn't my top choice at #5, but if he can transition to 1B, he will move quickly.

 

The last big bat the Brewers selected as the 5th over pick in the draft from the U turned out pretty well. I don't see a cornerstone type 1B in the Brewer system currently either and he's probably advanced enough to be in the core that includes Arcia, Phillips and Clark.

 

I'd be fine with Ray too, but Collins intrigues me.

[SRB]

A college corner OF is boring in a way, but just picture a Corey Ray-Trent Clark outfield if all goes well. Nothing wrong with that.

[Eye Black]

I want nothing to do with Pint. I believe he is a future reliever or closer at best. I just don't see him as a starter.

I actually think the exact opposite. Pint is the guy among the elite pitchers that I am the most confident in being a starter long term (barring a major arm/shoulder injury). I am not sure if you see a reliever/closer role because of the velocity, but Pint seemingly has a lot to like beyond a blazing fastball including reportedly having a four pitch mix. He is said to have extremely improved command and control from where he was at last summer. This spring he has shown an upper 80's changeup that some have graded plus-plus and even referred to as the best changeup in the entire draft class. He also has a low-to-mid 80's curve that is reportedly a well repeated delivery and identical arm angle to his fastball. Everything I have heard that he is NOT your typical high school pitcher because of his advanced repertoire.

 

If others have seen conflicting info please share. I was skeptical of Pint originally, but the reports I've seen/heard more recently have been overwhelmingly glowing.

[MrTPlush]

The velocity thing can be really overblown. Pint isn't the first 100mph HS kid and a lot in the past tone it down to 95-97mph. I can't remember who but one of the better starters right now threw 100mph in HS but dipped down after being drafted.

 

All I am going to is if the Brewers pass on Groome/Pint and one becomes an elite starter I will never let it go.

[narwhalattack]

I have a feeling that the Brewers are going to draft someone none of us anticipated.

[brewcrewdue80]

As if on cue, Jim Callis has the Brewers taking Corey Ray in his latest mock. They pass on Groome and Pint and Perez:

 

1. Puk

2. Senzel

3. Lewis

4. Moniak

5. Ray

6. Groome

7. Pint

8. Perez

9. Manning

10. Rutherford

 

Oh God, this just kills me. Here you go:

6. Athletics: Jason Groome, LHP, Barnegat (N.J.) HS

There's a lot of Senzel-to-Oakland talk if he's available, though that doesn't make a ton of sense for a so-so system with a lot of infielders (including 2014 first-rounder Matt Chapman, who's not moving off the hot corner) and not much else. The A's like Groome more than Pint, and it's hard to believe a big lefty with quality stuff and more polish than Puk is going to drop much further than this.

 

These Mock guys are killing me. So at 6, Oakland takes SP because being linked to an IF is redundant among their minor system. Having spent a 1st rd choice in 2014.

 

So Trent Clark's 1st round choice...LAST Year! or Demi O in the 4th round and after Monte Harrison in 2014 don't make an OF selection overloading within the Brewer's pick?

 

How is this ignored by these guys? Do they see the Brewers farm system as secretly deep and Talented in Pitching arms full of Ace potentials?

I just don't get Santana,Phillips pretty much ML certaintys. Clark off and running in A ball already. Probably the two Most athletic OFs in the last two drafts Orimoloye and Harrison in the system.

I mean this is MLB's Callis and MLB has 7 of the top 20 ranked prospects as OFs within the system. You know whoever is picked will slot in top 10 among Brewers Prospects. Guess the League will switch to no Pitchers and put the ball on a tee and we need 6 OFs now to 3 infielders?

 

Maybe since the Brewers don't normally put more than 1 SP in top 100 prospect ranks, having 2 currently, we may crash the prospect rankings if 3 were to be ranked in top 100 and all hell breaks loose

[brewcrewdue80]

Jim Callis said he is hearing more than five different names for the Brewers. Link: http://www.the3rdmanin.com/qa-mlb-coms-jim-callis-2/

 

 

Your Mock 2.0. 5 clicks to read Brewers #5 pick.

 

You use the same bland draft photo at top of the page. Then it's:

1. pick small paragraph blurb on choice.

 

Click

 

2. That same picture just above. The selection, paragraph blurb.

 

Click

 

3...yadi yada yada.

 

 

If you can't provide pics of the players or any video. Why must you force your webpage viewer to have to click pick vs pick? With such little amount of content you should be listing several picks on 1 page. At least 5 if not 10 selections, if not the whole first round.

 

I click next 2 or 3 times to read an article and with the loading of the webpage constant over and over. That 4th click is usually the X button closing the website. The only reason I even read to the 5th click for Brewers was because you had Pint as mocked and I wanted to read the blurb. Had you had an OF I'd not gone more than the 2nd click.

 

Just some criticism.

[brewcrewdue80]

Link I found. More about the #1 pick forthcoming than Brewers pick. More info on how to mock the #1 pick next week

 

http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2016/05/2016_mlb_draft_jason_groome_phillies_braves.html

 

The 2014 HS picks Aiken/Kolek likely have some to do on not taking the risk for Philly.

[Eye Black]

The velocity thing can be really overblown. Pint isn't the first 100mph HS kid and a lot in the past tone it down to 95-97mph. I can't remember who but one of the better starters right now threw 100mph in HS but dipped down after being drafted.

 

All I am going to is if the Brewers pass on Groome/Pint and one becomes an elite starter I will never let it go.

Not sure if this is who you are referring to, but Lucas Giolito was reportedly touching 100-mph during his high school career.

[ewitkows]

If Senzel is there he's the pick I want if not then groome/pint

[MrTPlush]

I have a feeling that the Brewers are going to draft someone none of us anticipated.

 

I'd agree if we were picking down in the draft, but there are only 4 picks before us. It is very likely to be someone we have heard a lot about. Most of the time the unexpected is due to going underslot, but if that is the case Delvin Perez would be the pick.

[paul253]

I'm seeing a lot of Groome to Atlanta talk if Philly passes on him, which is looking more and more likely. Puk may be Phillys pick which leaves me to hope Pint is still around.

[brewmann04]

It seems callus is talking about the same thing about Groome that we talked about

[Eye Black]

Delvin Perez "almost a virtual lock" to go at #5 to the Brewers? The Brewers heavy interest in Perez "the worst kept secret in the industry"?

 

That is the case according to 2080 Baseball's CJ Wittmann and Perfect Game's Brian Sakowski on the most recent episode of 2080 Baseball's The Scale Podcast. Go to the 13:00 minute mark and listen from there.

 

Also interesting they mention that Perez was reported to have run a 6.2 60-yard dash at a showcase in Puerto Rico recently.

[SRB]

Seems unlikely that it is a "virtual lock" if people like Jim Callis project the Brewers passing on him.

 

As I said in another thread though, Perez would be my #1 pick (obviously I would be excited about others too)

[Jenkins5]

A college corner OF is boring in a way, but just picture a Corey Ray-Trent Clark outfield if all goes well. Nothing wrong with that.

 

Both will be MLB LF'ers so no I can't imagine that. Ray has never been good enough to start in CF for his college. Defensively he is Michael Reed. Probably not bad, but there will be a handful of better options. Same goes for Clark very few people talk him up as a future starting CF. Most scouts project LF. They may say "has a chance" but if he is our very best defensive CF when time comes..... That'd be very disappointing. Good athlete, okay arm, smart, but not a guy who will shrink OF, hold runners, or be much more than league average to below.

[SRB]

Both will be MLB LF'ers so no I can't imagine that.

 

[sarcasm]Didn't realize that it was already settled that these teenage OF prospects are incapable of ever playing RF, thanks for the tip!!![/sarcasm]

[Eye Black]

More on Delvin Perez:

 

Fangraphs recently hired Eric Longenhagen who has been providing us great AZL video for some time now and also working with ESPN and Keith Law (which it sounds like he will continue to do through the draft). Anyway Eric hosted a chat session on Friday which included this Q&A...

 

Eric Longenhagen Prospects Chat - 5/20/16

Alex: Are Delvin Perez’s “character concerns” being overblown and overanalyzed or is it a legit worry? Is it just a young kid being immature or is it something more serious? Thanks Eric and glad to have you here at FG!

 

Eric A Longenhagen: I think it’s justifiable for teams to worry about stuff like that if they’re about to give the kid $6+ mil AND pass on other talented players to take him. I also think part of the reason teams shy away from player like Perez is because they’re not confident in their own player devo infrastructure at the lowest levels. It’s often insufficient, especially for players from other cultures.

Also, I haven't come across much recent video of Delvin Perez, but did find this YouTube

of mostly bad cell phone footage that is allegedly all Delvin Perez at-bats. Some good looking hits, but based on a couple of the post hit antics I am going say that modesty may not be a strength at this point. Don't get me wrong I get a kick out of a good bat celebration as much as anyone, but I have a hard time picturing shuffling down the line with your bat held straight in the air going over well in professional ball. Not trying to be overly harsh on the kid though, he is 17 years old and knows he is about to be very wealthy.

[Jenkins5]

Both will be MLB LF'ers so no I can't imagine that.

 

[sarcasm]Didn't realize that it was already settled that these teenage OF prospects are incapable of ever playing RF, thanks for the tip!!![/sarcasm]

 

Sure they can play right field but same as center, they can play it but that means you simply have no better options. Aoki played RF, his arm wasn't very good either but Brewers did so. If your happy with filling holes defensively based on needing their bats.... Fine. All I know as an opposing manager, if Clark & Ray are your CF/RF combo, I'm running & taking extra bases. Moreover, if they are lined up CF/RF..... LF must be Khris Davis 2.0 with the arm.....

 

Moreover Ray isn't actually a teenager anymore.... He is also a three year college guy, and his body is not projectable, so I don't see a huge surge in arm strength coming.....

 

Both are solid players and good defenders but it's not just me who says that. Most scouts project both as LFs in MLB. That is their tool set. If they must play CF/RF for us, it is simply because we do not have the ideal guys in place. RF should have big arm like Coulter or Harrison. CF should be outstanding athlete with good to plus arm.