Ron Roenicke relieved of managerial duties (Craig Counsell named new manager, 3 yr contract)

[JimH5]

Number 3 in your program, Number 1 in your heart, the new Manager of the Brewers,

 

 

Yuni B

[homer]

Whoever is the new manager, it's all his fault.

 

I'm with you. I'm going to get out ahead of the usual malcontents on this one. I don't care who they hire; I'm calling for his firing right now!

 

 

Fire Roenicke's replacement!

[Nottso]

Number 3 in your program, Number 1 in your heart, the new Manager of the Brewers,

 

 

Yuni B

 

Manjer Solvdd?

[DocLuna7]

Number 3 in your program, Number 1 in your heart, the new Manager of the Brewers,

 

 

Yuni B[/quote

 

I would only be ok with this if he was a player/manager. It is an odd year so it has to happen.

[ecjimg]

Kinda hope it's Counsell. That way the love fest for him can finally end.

 

Yeh, I never understood his popularity. Not a very good ball player and the few times I've seen him in a social setting ....seemed like an arrogant tool.

[homer]

Kinda hope it's Counsell. That way the love fest for him can finally end.

 

Yeh, I never understood his popularity. Not a very good ball player and the few times I've seen him in a social setting ....seemed like an arrogant tool.

 

 

He's got gritty David Eckstein appeal though!

[Nottso]

Cirillo?

[ImScafering]

Shrug.

 

Not his fault that the players haven't been able to hit most of the season. Or pitch.

 

I absolutely hate rationale of this kind. That has nothing to do with it! Everyone knows Ron Roenicke isnt a motivator, hes not a guy to light a fire under your ass, hes got a horrible philosophy on how to play the game of baseball, and he's not going to make you afraid of making an ill-advised mistake because he wants aggressiveness no matter how stupid it is. He's a bad manager because his philosophy teaches aggression yet he doesnt have the balls to to get PO'd at a guy when he does something stupid because it would only contradict himself. I hope, like the Bucks, its someone the players will listen to and respect. My whole opinion about Roenicke is that when things were going well they were going too well and when things were going bad they were going way too bad. You cant have extreme highs and extreme lows in baseball. Its the job of the manager to keep guys as close to 50/50 regardless of recent successes or failures. He, IMO, failed to do so.

[TooLiveBrew]

Odd timing, was never a major Roenicke supporter nor a hater. Maybe I even leaned a little toward supporter. Feel bad he lost his job, did some nice things when he was here. Surprised he kept the job after last season, thought he would get a bit longer of a leash this year.

 

Just hope the guy announced tomorrow is not Gardenhire, hope it is Narron or Counsell on interim basis and they do a full search and interview process in the offseason. Unless of course it ends of being Gabe Kapler, than I hope he is the permanent guy.

Your first paragraph sums up my feelings on Ron pretty well. Pretty crappy timing from the org. on pulling the trigger.

 

You also capture my thoughts on Gardenhire. The amount of people who've expressed excitement about him both in this thread & elsewhere on the forum is... troubling. Just not a fan of the smallball that the Gardenhires of the world are convinced = Playing The Game The Right Way™.

 

If it's Counsell, I'd be intrigued. Always has come across as an intelligent guy.

[homer]

Shrug.

 

Not his fault that the players haven't been able to hit most of the season. Or pitch.

 

I absolutely hate rationale of this kind. That has nothing to do with it! Everyone knows Ron Roenicke isnt a motivator, hes not a guy to light a fire under your ass, hes got a horrible philosophy on how to play the game of baseball, and he's not going to make you afraid of making an ill-advised mistake because he wants aggressiveness no matter how stupid it is. He's a bad manager because his philosophy teaches aggression yet he doesnt have the balls to to get PO'd at a guy when he does something stupid because it would only contradict himself. I hope, like the Bucks, its someone the players will listen to and respect.

 

 

So how did they ever win 96 games with him?

[Pugger]

The problems with the team go far beyond the manager and it's weird that they fired him after they won consecutive games for the first time this year and 3 of the last 4 overall.

 

He should have been fired back in October, frankly. I guess we can't fire the lot of them so you start with RR. For now.

[Pugger]

It's very difficult to call for the head of a nice guy, and Roenicke seems like a genuinely nice guy. I hope he lands somewhere else in a year or two.

 

That said, there is something about hearing from another voice, and if another guy can get them to play better, then so be it.

 

Melvin should be next.

 

Perhaps he was too nice or at least too nice to manage. He might be better off a position coach somewhere else instead.

[Invader3K]

Number 3 in your program, Number 1 in your heart, the new Manager of the Brewers,

 

 

Yuni B

I think I would have a massive heat attack if this happened. Like, seriously, no one would have to wonder why I suddenly disappeared from this board forever.

[TGOTJ]

I haven't been a Roenicke supporter by any means. However, this is just rearranging deck chairs. The real issue (which has been discussed on bf.net for years) is the lack of pitching development and a defined long-term plan. There is one person responsible for baseball operations - Melvin. It's time for new leadership in the front office.

[pacopete4]

Shrug.

 

Not his fault that the players haven't been able to hit most of the season. Or pitch.

 

I absolutely hate rationale of this kind. That has nothing to do with it! Everyone knows Ron Roenicke isnt a motivator, hes not a guy to light a fire under your ass, hes got a horrible philosophy on how to play the game of baseball, and he's not going to make you afraid of making an ill-advised mistake because he wants aggressiveness no matter how stupid it is. He's a bad manager because his philosophy teaches aggression yet he doesnt have the balls to to get PO'd at a guy when he does something stupid because it would only contradict himself. I hope, like the Bucks, its someone the players will listen to and respect.

 

 

So how did they ever win 96 games with him?

 

He'll probably say they would've won 120 of he wasn't the manager...

[Pugger]

Most excited I've been about the Brewers in a while.

 

The replacement has to be in the organization or unemployed, right? Can you take someone under contract with another organization in-season to be your manager? Gardenhire would be a total Mark move being the safe "veteran" choice. Counsel or Erickson are names that get brought up but this organization will continue to disappoint us and it will almost certainly be Narron.

 

I don't want a guy with zero coaching experience in the bigs as our next manager right now.

[Nottso]

Most excited I've been about the Brewers in a while.

 

The replacement has to be in the organization or unemployed, right? Can you take someone under contract with another organization in-season to be your manager? Gardenhire would be a total Mark move being the safe "veteran" choice. Counsel or Erickson are names that get brought up but this organization will continue to disappoint us and it will almost certainly be Narron.

 

I don't want a guy with zero coaching experience in the bigs as our next manager right now.

 

Why not? They seem to have already labeled this season a total loss and Jebus knows there's been more than enough complaining on here about "retread managers." I'm not asking to be a turd, I'm really curious as to why.

[JimH5]

Number 3 in your program, Number 1 in your heart, the new Manager of the Brewers,

 

 

Yuni B

I think I would have a massive heat attack if this happened. Like, seriously, no one would have to wonder why I suddenly disappeared from this board forever.

 

I think I would die of laughter. But I'm mean that way. Schadenfreude is awesome, even when it's the hometown team.

 

If only the Brewers could hire Derek Jeter. That would be so clutch.

[SoupTown]

It is like the management team eating their young. Doug, Mark, and RR were like peas in a pod. Then, of course, they simply took turns throwing the players under the bus. To me, all three are the problem. The entire pod has never done anything of note, in winning baseball championships.

 

Of course this move will not turn around the team. If the players were under peforming because of RR, then there is something wrong with the players. What seems to be true, is that the players assembled are just not good enough. The players have trumped Mark's spreadsheet. I did not really like the RR style, but he grew on me. He sure was a stable, steady guy. That is to his credit.

 

Mark and Doug have assembled this team. Not RR. So, oddly, Mark and Doug have firstly thrown the players under the bus. The bus bruising has not conjured the players into performing to their 'career norms'. So the they have been helped from under the bus, dusted off, and Doug and Mark have decided to throw Ron off the cliff. I kind of wish Ron would have held tight the arms of Doug and Mark as the cliff fall began.

 

So, now there are two. Doug and Mark. Who will turn on whom. I suspect we will see Mark gobble up Doug. Then we will be left with Mark, Boras and the spreadsheet. Happy times, here we come. At least it will be interesting to see the corpse of Babe Ruth in the batters box and any other old HOFers Mark can manage to dig up. This could get interesting.

[AZBrewCrew]

Shrug.

 

Not his fault that the players haven't been able to hit most of the season. Or pitch.

 

I absolutely hate rationale of this kind. That has nothing to do with it! Everyone knows Ron Roenicke isnt a motivator, hes not a guy to light a fire under your ass, hes got a horrible philosophy on how to play the game of baseball, and he's not going to make you afraid of making an ill-advised mistake because he wants aggressiveness no matter how stupid it is. He's a bad manager because his philosophy teaches aggression yet he doesnt have the balls to to get PO'd at a guy when he does something stupid because it would only contradict himself. I hope, like the Bucks, its someone the players will listen to and respect.

 

 

So how did they ever win 96 games with him?

Prince Fielder, PED Braun, and Nyger Morgan

[AdvantageSchneider]

Guy told me at 3PM today that they were firing RR and Counsel would be the new manager.

 

I didn't think he was right b/c I thought CC wanted to be a GM, but since he called the firing I gotta think Craig is going to be the next manger of the Brewers.

[rondoman]

Melvin escapes again? You cannot be serious how this team is run.

[Pugger]

Most excited I've been about the Brewers in a while.

 

The replacement has to be in the organization or unemployed, right? Can you take someone under contract with another organization in-season to be your manager? Gardenhire would be a total Mark move being the safe "veteran" choice. Counsel or Erickson are names that get brought up but this organization will continue to disappoint us and it will almost certainly be Narron.

 

I don't want a guy with zero coaching experience in the bigs as our next manager right now.

 

Why not? They seem to have already labeled this season a total loss and Jebus knows there's been more than enough complaining on here about "retread managers." I'm not asking to be a turd, I'm really curious as to why.

 

 

Notice I said "coaching experience" and not managerial. I don't know if we are going to be rebuilding this team we want a neophyte who has never coached at any level (that I know of) in charge, that's all.

[ImScafering]

So how did they ever win 96 games with him?

 

He'll probably say they would've won 120 of he wasn't the manager...

He'll probably say your team better win 96 games with Greinke, Gallardo, Marcum, Hart, Braun, Fielder, Weeks, and Axford all in their prime. Free swinging and making outs on the bases is the exact opposite of what it takes to be a winning baseball team and that's pretty much what Roenicke is promoting with his style. The problem is he is too "nice" and so guys think they can keep making the same mistakes without any recourse. Do you disagree?

[Invader3K]

I really don't get why it would be Counsell. Guy has no coaching experience. Wouldn't make sense to give him a multi year deal.