Open for business (part 1)

[logan82]

It may make sense to hold onto Garza unless we get a good offer. We don't exactly have MLB ready pitching being blocked by Garza.

[torts]

McCalvy tweeted "Interesting that in explaining 3 yr deal for Counsell, DM cited knowledge of MiLB system in case moves needed Would make "reset" smoother."

 

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[MrTPlush]

So it really is starting to sound like Counsell will be manning the rebuild the next few years and Doug Melvin may be the GM doing the work. Which is fine with me if you think of how well Doug Melvin has done in trades. Drafting really needs to improve though.

[monty57]

McCalvy tweeted "Interesting that in explaining 3 yr deal for Counsell, DM cited knowledge of MiLB system in case moves needed Would make "reset" smoother."

 

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So does "reset" mean "rebuild," and it's good that Counsell already knows the minor leaguers who will be playing for the Brewers over the next few seasons?

 

or

 

Does "reset" mean it's important to know the minor leaguers who will make good trade bait to reset the roster with veterans next year?

 

 

It probably means the former, but I'll have to see it happen before the skeptic in me will believe it.

[MadScientist]

McCalvy tweeted "Interesting that in explaining 3 yr deal for Counsell, DM cited knowledge of MiLB system in case moves needed Would make "reset" smoother."

 

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So does "reset" mean "rebuild," and it's good that Counsell already knows the minor leaguers who will be playing for the Brewers over the next few seasons?

 

or

 

Does "reset" mean it's important to know the minor leaguers who will make good trade bait to reset the roster with veterans next year?

 

It probably means the former, but I'll have to see it happen before the skeptic in me will believe it.

 

Knowledge of minor leaguers to use for trade bait is important for the front office, but not really of much value for a manager.

 

 

Thinking of value, that is the key word for any possible pending trades. Right now there are no buyers, so there is no value that would come back, especially the way the ones they'd like to trade are playing.

 

Counsell is in a tough spot. He needs to make the play better than they have been (low bar there), but for the best return, he needs to feature the trade bait (Ramirez, Parra, Broxton, Lind etc) to hopefully get them on a hot streak where someone will want to give up a prospect. We'll see how they are doing ~June 15th to have a better idea of their market value.

 

As for the rest of the talent, Lucroy, Gomez, etc., the question isn't whether the Brewers will entertain offers, but will the offers entertain the Brewers. There should be no hurry to trade them, and no advertising that they are available. I don't want a fire sale, I want a Southerby's auction, with no sale if the reserve isn't met.

[gregmag]

It just occurred to me -- I'm sure savvier people have said this before -- that if as seems likely we're mired in mediocrity, this deadly start is a gift. Fans aren't expecting a playoff run. Blah manager is gone. Arguably blah GMcan't possibly be safe. Everyone expects trades.

 

I'm fine trading any vet except that I'm cautious on Luc. He actually could be part of the next good Brewers team. His contract and accomplishments make him one of the most vuable commodities in baseball. Teams that want him should be backing trucks up to Miller Park.

[ewitkows]

I'm afraid they will dump Lohse, Aram , parra and cotts salary know that attendance will be down and use that 40 mil or so to sign a couple of Garza/Lohse type pitchers and next year will be groundhog day all over again.

[MrTPlush]

I'm afraid they will dump Lohse, Aram , parra and cotts salary know that attendance will be down and use that 40 mil or so to sign a couple of Garza/Lohse type pitchers and next year will be groundhog day all over again.

 

Thanks negative Nancy for saying the same thing twice....Too bad they sound like they are going to rebuild.

[torts]

I think he needs to post it again, drive home his point

[homer]

It may make sense to hold onto Garza unless we get a good offer. We don't exactly have MLB ready pitching being blocked by Garza.

 

 

If the Brewers are holding a fire sale, anything they receive doesn't have to be MLB ready.

[monty57]

It may make sense to hold onto Garza unless we get a good offer. We don't exactly have MLB ready pitching being blocked by Garza.

 

 

If the Brewers are holding a fire sale, anything they receive doesn't have to be MLB ready.

 

Yeah, I'd be fine with Peralta, Nelson, Fiers, Jungmann, Thornburg for the rest of the year. Heck, if we get a big enough package for Peralta or Fiers, they could be traded and someone else from the AA/AAA rotation could get called up. If they go full bore on this thing, then it's about getting talented prospects back and seeing what you have with your own young guys. Thornburg and Jungmann are as ready as they'll ever be to be given a spot in a rebuilding team's rotation.

 

We may need to get a veteran journeyman on a one-year deal for next year if the team doesn't feel any guys are ready, but I'd really rather just see what we have in-house, even if it means taking some lumps in the win/loss column. We should get some pitching back to go along with our current farmhands, so hopefully we'll fill out a rotation with young talent before too long.

 

I get what you're saying by "unless we get a good offer," and there's nothing forcing our hand to trade Garza now, but hopefully a GM will look at his track record and give us something decent for him. He and his contract are unnecessary for the Brewers if they're rebuilding, but I remember how giddy Attanasio was when he had a chance to sign him, so hopefully another owner/GM will feel the same way about trading for him. I can't see his value going up a whole lot as time ticks away, so we might as well try to trade him to a team with pitching needs this season.

[3and2Fastball]

There are a lot less sellers than buyers at the deadline nowadays, with the extra wildcard. Hopefully there will be bidding wars on several Brewers players and the Brewers hold out for extraordinary deals on Lucroy & Gomez

[reillymcshane]

 

Yeah, I'd be fine with Peralta, Nelson, Fiers, Jungmann, Thornburg for the rest of the year.

This rotation would likely suck, but that's okay. We aren't going to the playoffs this year.

 

Let Thornburg and Jungmann spend as much time as necessary to ensure we get them another year, then when you find a decent trade for Garza and Lohse, you pull the trigger.

 

Do the same thing with the bullpen. Bring up Knebel when you find takers for the likes of Cotts, Broxton and K-Rod.

 

None of it's pretty, but it's probably inevitable.

[logan82]

It may make sense to hold onto Garza unless we get a good offer. We don't exactly have MLB ready pitching being blocked by Garza.

 

 

If the Brewers are holding a fire sale, anything they receive doesn't have to be MLB ready.

Sorry, I meant we don't have anyone in AAA who I look at and think they should be in the majors. We don't need to get MLB players back. n trade. I don't think the Garza deal is holding us back and if he gets hurt the cheap option kicks in.

[JJHardy7]

I think a key to all this is that the team needs to continue to struggle. If we were to win 5 or 6 in a row or win 8 out of 10, I could see the Brewers holding off on a fire sale. Right now (way to early I know) they are only 6.5 games back. I don't see Mark A doing a fire sale if they get that down a few games.

 

It's kind of like the Bucks a year ago...hope for losses.

[superfly]

I think a key to all this is that the team needs to continue to struggle. If we were to win 5 or 6 in a row or win 8 out of 10, I could see the Brewers holding off on a fire sale. Right now (way to early I know) they are only 6.5 games back. I don't see Mark A doing a fire sale if they get that down a few games.

 

It's kind of like the Bucks a year ago...hope for losses.

 

 

THIS. If we get a "relief rally" with a new manager I don't forsee any sales going on in Milwaukee unless it's trade deadline day and we are OUT of it. Any shred of hope for the playoffs will keep MA wanting to keep the team together IMO...that's the skeptic in me.

[splitterpfj]

The Brewers don't have to trade guys by tomorrow night, and they don't have to trade everyone they've got, there's no shot clock in May.

 

I think the Brewers should listen on every player they have, and play it like they did with Gallardo. The team got more young talent back for Yovani than most of us thought they would, so they were smart to make the deal. If they get a good offer on a guy, make the decision, yes or no, and keep moving. There's no reason not to move guys, but there's also nothing that says they have to wrap this up by the weekend.

 

Trades because fans are upset? No thanks. Good trades that make the organization better going forward? Yes, when the right offer is made - tomorrow, next month, or next winter.

[trwi7]

The Brewers don't have to trade guys by tomorrow night, and they don't have to trade everyone they've got, there's no shot clock in May.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that.

 

The problem is and I think it's a real concern with this management/ownership is that they start winning some games. Maybe stay within say 6 or 7 games of the wildcard, not really contending at all but not bad enough to the point where they're obvious sellers. At that point Melvin and Attanasio could start thinking "with just a few adjustments and new acquisitions we're pretty close to being contenders" to the point where they trade nobody and we go even further down the road to mediocrity.

[homer]

The Brewers don't have to trade guys by tomorrow night, and they don't have to trade everyone they've got, there's no shot clock in May.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that.

 

The problem is and I think it's a real concern with this management/ownership is that they start winning some games. Maybe stay within say 6 or 7 games of the wildcard, not really contending at all but not bad enough to the point where they're obvious sellers. At that point Melvin and Attanasio could start thinking "with just a few adjustments and new acquisitions we're pretty close to being contenders" to the point where they trade nobody and we go even further down the road to mediocrity.

 

 

I think they're within 6 games of the WC right now.

[trwi7]

The Brewers don't have to trade guys by tomorrow night, and they don't have to trade everyone they've got, there's no shot clock in May.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that.

 

The problem is and I think it's a real concern with this management/ownership is that they start winning some games. Maybe stay within say 6 or 7 games of the wildcard, not really contending at all but not bad enough to the point where they're obvious sellers. At that point Melvin and Attanasio could start thinking "with just a few adjustments and new acquisitions we're pretty close to being contenders" to the point where they trade nobody and we go even further down the road to mediocrity.

 

 

I think they're within 6 games of the WC right now.

 

I get that. We're only 25 games in though. I don't really consider being within 6 or 7 games of the wildcard "contending" but I could see a scenario where come July the Brewers are say 34-43 and the 2nd wildcard team is say 41-36 and Melvin and Attanasio saying to themselves "You know we haven't been that bad since the manager change and nobody is really running away with that second wild card. Let's keep this team together and give it a shot."

 

And then I worry they could convince themselves in the offseason they're only a few tweaks to the roster away from "contending" again and they do nothing in the offseason or add a few pieces that cost a lot of money but don't really help a lot.

 

I think that's the last thing this franchise needs to do.

[MrTPlush]

The Brewers do not think they have a chance to compete. I think it is pretty clear in Doug Melvin's comments that they will attempt a rebuild to some degree. People need to stop looking at the 6 games out of the wild card...it is foolish and means nothing.

 

What you need to look at is the 87 games they need to win to get a playoff spot. Just to get to that 87 win mark they will have to play .580 baseball the rest of the year. Do you really think this team can go 79-57?

[logan82]

What you need to look at is the 87 games they need to win to get a playoff spot. Just to get to that 87 win mark they will have to play .580 baseball the rest of the year. Do you really think this team can go 79-57?

Yes, I think the team can do that. I don't think they will but they can.

[stoutdude04]

Just got an update, that says the Brewers will not trade Lucroy.

[DocLuna7]

Just got an update, that says the Brewers will not trade Lucroy.

 

Source??

[reillymcshane]

Just got an update, that says the Brewers will not trade Lucroy.

 

Source??

Buster Olney

 

"The Brewers have made clear to other teams assessing possible trade options: They are not willing to deal catcher Jonathan Lucroy"