Trade with the Mets

[molitor fan]

I am predicting a trade of Gomez and Will smith to the Mets will happen this week....my guess on return currently is Molina, Matz and Legares

[danzig6767]

This almost seems too ideal a fit to happen. If I were Melvin I'd call the Mets GM and say "Gomez and Segura are available. Gimme a call when you're ready to talk". Definitely have to walk away with either Syndergaard or Matz. I'd like Molina as well. I'm not high on Cecchini as he is just a .257 career minor league hitter with no power at all. Conforto is a guy I'd take as well.

 

Mets aren't going to even consider trading Syndergaard.

[nate82]

The last I heard anything about the Mets was that they were not interested in trading any of their young pitching for anyone including Tulowitzki. From the people that I have talked to they have said that the Mets won't move any of their young pitching especially Syndergaard another name that I was told that looks to be unavailable is Matz.

 

From what I have been told the Mets are looking to trade some of their less than stellar prospects like Cecchini and others they would part with but not Matz or Syndergaard. It would take someone like Addison Russel for the Mets to trade either Syndergaard or Matz in other words there is no chance the Brewers are getting either Matz or Syndergaard for Gomez or even Gomez and Braun.

[wildcat2237]

The last I heard anything about the Mets was that they were not interested in trading any of their young pitching for anyone including Tulowitzki. From the people that I have talked to they have said that the Mets won't move any of their young pitching especially Syndergaard another name that I was told that looks to be unavailable is Matz.

 

From what I have been told the Mets are looking to trade some of their less than stellar prospects like Cecchini and others they would part with but not Matz or Syndergaard. It would take someone like Addison Russel for the Mets to trade either Syndergaard or Matz in other words there is no chance the Brewers are getting either Matz or Syndergaard for Gomez or even Gomez and Braun.

 

Then I don't see a Gomez deal getting done with the Mets. Gotta give to get.

[splitterpfj]

Per Ken Rosenthal, the Mets were in MN, watching Jean Segura and Aramis Ramirez. He says the teams haven't spoken, "in weeks", but we also know the Brewers told teams they'd be waiting until after the draft to start selling.

[pacopete4]

Well Aramis better get out of his funk, if it even is a funk, and start smacking the ball around.

[splitterpfj]

It says a lot about Wright's status.

[molitor fan]

Brewers need to be proactive....Steven Matz may already be pitching himself out of "get-ability" for the Brewers.....Melvin's greatest flaw has always been his lack of creativity

[MrTPlush]

Brewers need to be proactive....Steven Matz may already be pitching himself out of "get-ability" for the Brewers.....Melvin's greatest flaw has always been his lack of creativity

 

Matz isn't coming over from a Segura trade...so no worries there. It also take two to make a trade happen. Very possible the Mets are like any other team and just observing for now. Melvin can't just go running to the Mets and sound desperate. That will just hurt him in negotiations.

[SRB]

I would be all over Segura for Matz. Would much rather have Matz than Syndergaard.

[reillymcshane]

I would be all over Segura for Matz. Would much rather have Matz than Syndergaard.

Meta reportedly want to bring up , which is why they want to unload Gee or Neise. He's got a sub 2.00 ERA in Las Vegas - Segura isn't going to land him (but it can't hurt to ask).

 

I'd target Marcos Molina. He'll be a top 100 guy within a year barring injury.

[SRB]

Segura isn't going to land him (but it can't hurt to ask).

 

Shortstops with upside have as much value of any class of players in baseball. If they won't give up Matz then hang up the phone. (And I'm not even a huge fan of Segura, I just think he's realistically worth a premium pitching prospect, easily)

[pacopete4]

Segura isn't going to land him (but it can't hurt to ask).

 

Shortstops with upside have as much value of any class of players in baseball. If they won't give up Matz then hang up the phone. (And I'm not even a huge fan of Segura, I just think he's realistically worth a premium pitching prospect, easily)

 

 

Give them Ramirez with Segura and pay the rest of Ramirez's contract if they think Matz is the next big time pitcher.

[splitterpfj]

I'm not at all convinced that Segura wouldn't land Matz. Reilly, you may be right, but the Mets have more options on the mound right now than they have in the field, and that will keep them from getting where they're trying to go.

 

Before you even talk about getting Matz for Segura, there are two big issues to deal with.

 

1. Do the Mets really go big and chase a guy like Tulowitzki? If they do, we're out, Matz or not.

2. Will the Brewers let go of Segura? So far, they're saying no, his trade value will stay high for a while, so the team can sit, if they decide that's best.

[wildcat2237]

I also dont think Segura alone is enough to get Matz. That said, I think it would be close.

 

If I'm DM, I'd try to do a blockbuster with the Mets. They are one of the few minor league systems that has enough to help the Brewers w/o being completely gutted(they have 7 top 100 guys and Molina will be soon).

 

Jean Segura, Carlos Gomez, Aramis Ramirez + $$ to the Mets for Steve Matz, Marcos Molina, Michael Conforto and 2 mid level guys. Conforto reminds me a lot of Cole Calhoun. Could be in the bigs and producing, and soon.

 

Not sure if the Mets would pull the trigger. But this is the type of deal the Brewers need to make to rebuild the system.

[brewmann04]

I would love too see a blockbuster and think melvin looking at it from all fronts.

[JohnBriggs12]

It will take a tremendous offer for Melvin to deal Segura. Segura is a 25 year old core player under control for 3 more years. It's a good bet he ends up at 3B a year from now to make room for Arcia. His offensive numbers are mirroring his 2013 so it's looking more and more like 2014 was the outlier.

 

No doubt teams are inquiring on his availability though. If Perez starts producing, the chances Segura gets dealt go up. But that's a big if. Perez is one of those enigmas. Looks like a great talent visually, but hasn't produced at all.

 

Ramirez does nothing to sweeten any potential deal even if most of his salary is picked up. Think teams see his slash line of .203/.250/.373 and don't realize he's done?

[MrTPlush]

It will take a tremendous offer for Melvin to deal Segura. Segura is a 25 year old core player under control for 3 more years. It's a good bet he ends up at 3B a year from now to make room for Arcia. His offensive numbers are mirroring his 2013 so it's looking more and more like 2014 was the outlier.

 

Moving Segura to third would be a complete waste of talent. I don't think he would be the best defensively at 3B, he has little power, and is slightly above average with the bat. Production is down at 3B in recent years, but I think they would be better suited to shift him to 2B or trade him. That is where they will maximize his value when Arcia arrives.

[igor67]

I agree that a trade of Segura probably does maximize his value to the team. Melvin has acquired a small little army of young IFers with some potential that could all use playing time to develop. Most of them outside of Arcia are unlikely to be special, but could be solid and if you let them play for awhile in a down year you might see them develop enough to figure out who can start and be pretty good with Arcia in a year or two, who could now be an asset off the bench (much easier after you've broken through with enough playing time) and who was nothing or even possible other young cost controlled trade bait.

[nate82]

Before you even talk about getting Matz for Segura, there are two big issues to deal with.

 

1. Do the Mets really go big and chase a guy like Tulowitzki? If they do, we're out, Matz or not.

2. Will the Brewers let go of Segura? So far, they're saying no, his trade value will stay high for a while, so the team can sit, if they decide that's best.

 

I don't believe the Mets are serious in trading any of their young pitching at all. Is Segura worth Matz? I believe he is but I don't believe the Mets are going to give him up for Segura. I also believe the Mets are not going to make a big splash in a trade this year. I believe they are going bargain hunting and they are going to come away with someone like Ramirez to play 3B for them. They won't have to sacrifice any significant future player in their farm system which is what they are looking to do.

 

If the Mets could land someone like Addison Russell I think they would deal from the pitching strength but otherwise I don't see them trading their young pitching for anything less than a Russell type.

[bill hAll Star]

Segura for Matz? Really? They'd laugh and hang up.

 

They've got Wilmer and Tejada, one if which is relegated to a bench role if they're fully healthy. I'll bet Segura rarely flirts with being better than .700 in his best years at Citi Field.

 

6 years of a projected top-end of the rotation pitcher for 3 years of a pretty good fielding SS (that may not project to stay that way for that long) that hovers around average with his bat which comes with zero patience.

[brewcrewdue80]

This is how I see the suggested scouting of Ramirez/Segura.

 

The Mets will trade Gee to Milw for Ramirez plus a million or 2. Gee's time with the Mets is over and his #4 SP in ability makes him about worth the soon to be retired Ramirez. Bad player for bad player. Gee has pitched 199innings previously in his career which would give Milw someone to count on to get through the season if/when Lohse and Garza are traded. Gee would also give the team the option to consider trading Fiers or Peralta and have a #4 SP to use in the rotation next year in the rebuild year.

 

The Mets then use Matz who I've read whispers of being better than Syndergaard.

 

Lets get creative and put this out there. Segura/Ramirez being scouted. Wright and now Murphy are down on DL. Flores isn't the SS defensively you'd hope. His 2b/3b reputation being true.

So take Murphy/Gee but then also Nimmo or Conforto and Molina for Segura and Ramirez. Giving the Mets Flores at 2b, Segura at SS and Ramirez at 3b with Wright out. The swapping of salaries of Murphy+Gee equal Ramirez's. You score 2 promising Prospects for Segura.

[JohnBriggs12]

I'm not all that high on Conforto or Nimmo. Conforto is a nice hitting prospect but he's limited to LF. Nimmo doesn't seem to me to be an upgrade over Taylor. I certainly wouldn't deal Segura for either plus Molina who's at least 3-4 years away.

 

I would pay $4 million of Ramirez salary if Mets want to give me Gee for him.

[JohnBriggs12]

Instead of Segura, why not offer Scooter to the Mets? Murphy can move over to 3B for them. Gennett's value is down now, but if he's back to the Scooter of old for a month would seem to me he might net you Niese who they are looking to unload to make room for Matz.

 

Niese is something the Brewers lack, a mid rotation lefty and even if you want to flip him this offseason, I would think he might have more value in the market than Garza.

[bill hAll Star]

I dunno...Scooter as a platoon guy might get you a .650-.670 OPS in Citi and his defense isn't great for a 2B.

 

With a possibility of Wright returning, Flores, Tejada, Campbell, and Murphy obviously coming back...they may need a short-term 2B, but I've gotta think they could go get one with a higher ceiling than Scooter.

 

I'm not saying they wouldn't take him, but he's probably not at the top of the list.