Brewers In Serious Talks To Acquire Papelbon

[KCBrewerfan34]

The problem with dealing with Amaro is he's the dolt who signed existing players too these ridiculous contracts and he can't make any bad trades, he has to be on the hotseat in Philly.

[brewmann04]

Let Amaro live in his fantsay land DM needs to hold firm.

[JohnBriggs12]

Nothing is going to happen until the final weeks of spring training if at all. With pitchers reporting in a week, wait and see what you have now before shelling out that kind of investment. I'm fine with Warning Track Power's proposal that includes Parra in the deal in some form as a way to mitigate the salary being taken on. Granted Phils are going nowhere, but Parra would be an upgrade in their OF. Protect a dozen or so prospects and let them have the pick of one of the rest.

[MNBrew]

Do some of you really think a deal's not likely simply because it's hit the back burner of the rumor lists? I think this requires a little more patience and faith that than. I'd really like to see the Brewers get Papelbon and I've had plenty of moments along the way anxiously waiting for the news to break.

 

That said, I'm not convinced a deal is going to happen, but I'm quite confident that a stupid deal isn't going to happen. Why? This: Doug Melvin has proven to be really good at knowing & weighing the Brewers' needs vs. the worth of the their assets, not overplaying his hand or making the hasty-but-foolish move, and being patient until the specifics of a deal are enough to his liking and amount to a favorable deal for the Brewers (at a reasonable enough price).

[pete]

I no doubt let my preference that they have nothing to do with him and belief that he'll be between about as good as the alternatives to bad influence what I think, but I've posted the various snippets as I find them. The latest from the Philly beat writer said they were "keen" on trading him.

 

I think parts of the situation are pretty certain. The 2 sides want to trade and Amaro wants more than Melvin is willing to pay. Other teams want to trade for other Phillies players and the stories that come out of those efforts are always the same: Amaro is asking really high prices.

 

If you ask me the deal has disaster written all over it. If they pay something like 14 million for 2 years and it will almost certainly be 2 years and they give up 2 guys with a really good shot of being major league regulars, how bad would he have to be before you think Melvin should just write off that money and the players and go with others?

 

Seriously, he was incredibly lucky last season. He's having to do it with declining skills. What he does isn't super mystical and magical. If his WHIP degrades to about 1.4 and he blows 4 out of 10 saves early in the season and maybe a couple of them are real kicks in the jimmy johns, what should Melvin do? You know what he'll do, he'll say what he said before because he really doesn't have a choice at that point. Maybe if they have the hologram tech worked out they can make one of him saying stay the course like with Gagne or whoever. What was the name of the Reds back up catcher who walked off early in the Gagne season?

 

If the closer is Perez, Henderson, Broxton, Smith, Thornburg, Hall, Hellweg, whoever and they don't do well, they're coming out and either moving down the pecking order, going on the DL real or phony or being DFAd.

[brewcrewdue80]

What are you guys basing this not happening on? Did I miss comments or rumors about it somewhere? Maybe it won't happen but I think Philly is going to eventually fold or we increase our offer very slightly. We don't NEED him and they seem to really want to move him. We've made our offer it seems, we're the only team interested...if they want to move him that badly, they'll come back to us sooner or later.

 

The only wildcard for me would be if the Brewers are waiting to see what happens with Moncada, if the money goes there, we may not have any left for Papelbon. Sounds like that situation may take another week or two yet to sort itself out.

 

I'm basing this not happening on when the original rumor came out and the Brewers were pursuing him, it came with Papelbon on his 1yr+vesting option. Then Papelbon(or his agent) requested that the 2nd year be included if he were to remove his no trade policy to Milw and that squashed the deal.

 

I'm sure the demand on the Phillies part is too high when they are being asked to pay so much of Papelbon's payroll for Milw to afford him for 2years. Philly is going to be so bad this season, I put it at 95% most likely Papelbon doesn't reach the Games Finished to vest his option.

 

So Personally, the Brewers shouldn't and can't do it. Not until Hamels is traded. The moment that happens, the Phillies are removing a 5WAR type SP who's capable on his own to win the Phillies 10-14games which equals Games finished for Papelbon. When he disappears the Phillies move from a team that can win 67-71games to a team staring at 60wins and in full rebuild mode for the entire season. They'll be losing games to net a #1 draft pick and for all the Jordan Zimmermann rumors based here, the begin of a rebuild for them will start with a protected #1 pick and a 2nd rd cost draft choice to sign him. The players the Phils get in return from a Hamels trade, and Frankel/Nola/Quinn/Crawford and Eflin being either added to the ML roster or 1year closer to being added come 2016.

 

Now, if I'm the Phillies I hold out for the best prospect and least amount of money to trade Papelbon. What's a team like the Dodgers or Yankees or Padres or even the Angels going to do if their Closer falls apart to injury before the end of July? And then their setup guy doesn't produce? The money wouldn't be a big issue at that point for them. Not to mention, if I'm correct about the Papelbon Games Finished pace, he won't be on pace to demand that vested year being added, and he can't demand that if that team isn't on his no trade clause. St Louis? Rosenthal goes down who do they turn to? Carlos Martinez is supposed to be the answer for Shelby Miller.

 

Closers are super finicky, look at Chris Perez or KRod, guys that signed Minor League deals who were themselves as good or better than Papelbon at one point previously. There will be 10-14 Closers turned over one figures this season. Papelbon's ability can be one of those guys that fixes that problem.

[brwrsfan]

Seems like you guys are right. Apparently we offered Broxton to offset the cost...not sure how that would have really helped. Oh well.

[brewmann04]

I would walk away from this if I was Doug but not sure you give Krod a two year deal he is currently looking for.

[superfly]

I'd go get Neftali Feliz from the Rangers (if they still want to deal him) & sign Beachy...call it an offseason. Screw Amaro and those greedy folks out in Philly.

[jackailius]

I was all in on getting Pap but at this point given that they are asking for a "top prospect" I hope the brewers walk away. I'd get on the phone and give boras a call about KRod. if he implodes, you have Knebel/Broxton/Henderson waiting in the wings.

[DR28]

From MLBtraderumors.com...

 

The Phillies asked the Brewers for a “top prospect” in return for closer Jonathan Papelbon if the club was to pick up a big piece of the remainder of his deal, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports (in a piece we cited earlier this morning). In response, Milwaukee broached the idea of sending Jonathan Broxton back to Philadelphia to help balance the cash, a concept that did not gain traction (and which Rosenthal argues made little sense for either club).

[craigharmann]

I'd go get Neftali Feliz from the Rangers (if they still want to deal him) & sign Beachy...call it an offseason. Screw Amaro and those greedy folks out in Philly.

 

If it were a choice of Feliz or Pap, I'd pick Feliz in a heartbeat.

[TURBO]

If we trade Coulter or Arcia for Pap, I am just going to quit, I'll take my ball and go home...

 

Seriously, as a fan, trading either of these two guys for Papelbon will make me heave my guts out in disgust and disappointment.

[reillymcshane]

My biggest worry is that Melvin panics if there's an injury during camp or Broxton looks ineffective early on, and gives up a top prospect for Papelbon. Don't blink, no matter what. I know our prospects aren't the greatest in the world, but I really believe we need as many decent prospects as possible in the coming years.

[pete]

The Philly paper reported on Jungmann or Lopez as possibilities. I wonder if that was Melvin willing to give them up or Amaro asking for one as a 2nd piece in a trade.

 

I just wish some of the milquetoast media would actually ask Melvin some tough questions and hey, go crazy, ask a follow up.

[brwrsfan]

I'd imagine we wind up resigning KRod then. Nobody is beating down his door and he seems to like it here. I'd definitely not give him two years unless it's some sort of vesting option with a high number of games finished or something.

[superfly]

If we trade Coulter or Arcia for Pap, I am just going to quit, I'll take my ball and go home...

 

Seriously, as a fan, trading either of these two guys for Papelbon will make me heave my guts out in disgust and disappointment.

 

I'll bite and give them Coulter or Arcia...if we get Dom Brown as well and they take Parra.

[Boomer5]

Does anyone think the Brewers are a Pap over Broxton/Henderson/KRod upgrade away from a play off spot? If not, the Phillies can keep him if they want anything other than a AAAA player in return.

[fondybrewfan]

Well if all that Melvin is offering for Pap is Broxton; I am pretty sure he hasn't even remotely thought of sending over an actual prospect.

 

I think Papelbon would be an upgrade over Broxton; I am sure not sure if he is worth that extra $4 Million with the large option in 2016.

[reillymcshane]

If we trade Coulter or Arcia for Pap, I am just going to quit, I'll take my ball and go home...

 

Seriously, as a fan, trading either of these two guys for Papelbon will make me heave my guts out in disgust and disappointment.

 

I'll bite and give them Coulter or Arcia...if we get Dom Brown as well and they take Parra.

Not a Dom Brown fan. One good year, everything else is bad. Can't hit lefties well, so he might need to be platooned. And his defense is awful. Perhaps he'd be decent at 1B.

 

The guys obviously has potential, but it doesn't seem to have translated to the big leagues. Interesting player, but he just doesn't seem like he's going to put it together.

[JohnBriggs12]

The Philly paper reported on Jungmann or Lopez as possibilities. I wonder if that was Melvin willing to give them up or Amaro asking for one as a 2nd piece in a trade.

 

I just wish some of the milquetoast media would actually ask Melvin some tough questions and hey, go crazy, ask a follow up.

 

There's a media that cover the Brewers in Milwaukee? I think it's time to move on from K-Rod too.

[superfly]

If we trade Coulter or Arcia for Pap, I am just going to quit, I'll take my ball and go home...

 

Seriously, as a fan, trading either of these two guys for Papelbon will make me heave my guts out in disgust and disappointment.

 

I'll bite and give them Coulter or Arcia...if we get Dom Brown as well and they take Parra.

Not a Dom Brown fan. One good year, everything else is bad. Can't hit lefties well, so he might need to be platooned. And his defense is awful. Perhaps he'd be decent at 1B.

 

The guys obviously has potential, but it doesn't seem to have translated to the big leagues. Interesting player, but he just doesn't seem like he's going to put it together.

 

I have read quite a bit that suggests Philly may have screwed him up by trying to overhaul his swing. How or why you do that to a top prospect is beyond me. Like another poster said, I think he needs a change of scenery...maybe he's like Gomez and puts it all together late.

[Warning Track Power]

I'll bite and give them Coulter or Arcia...if we get Dom Brown as well and they take Parra.

No way and I am a big supporter of the Brewers grabbing Dom Brown. Best I would do is Papelbon, Brown and $10 million for Jorge Lopez, a C prospect and Parra.

[bill hAll Star]

Parra has been more valuable than Dom Brown every year they've both been in the league. I realize that there is some possible untapped potential in Brown, but no thanks.

[brewmann04]

just walk away keep those young Arms you have.IT seems to me last year other GM complained about Amaro too.