Yoan Moncada

[brewcrewdue80]

KC, what is the league exactly? How do you have 1st 3 picks? Olivera is the only one I read that has a strong chance of playing in 2015. There was a thread for fantasy baseball 2014 in off topic. Maybe post your entire scenario in a New fantasy Baseball 2015 thread.

 

Things to tell. How many Teams. Who's available say list your top 12 to pick from? What you already have for a Team. What are the counting stats or H2H matchups? It's hard to give advice because what's good strategy in one league is terrible in another. What positions does your league use on gamedays? OFs or LF/RF/CF...Utilities? or DH only? How many SP/RP slots? That's just stuff off the top of my head, there's more still to consider.

[KCBrewerfan34]

Just looking for something in depth about the new Cubans. Just can't find anything.

[Eye Black]

Just looking for something in depth about the new Cubans. Just can't find anything.

Well you can click all of the various article links within this Fangraphs article, Everything You Need to Know About Yoan Moncada for a lot of information including some scouting stuff and much more. Each date listed in the article is a link to the original full article.

 

Or you can watch some game footage of Moncada and decide for yourself:

 

 

 

[Eye Black]

Just looking for something in depth about the new Cubans. Just can't find anything.

And for some information on the other Cubans you can check out this THREAD from the BF.net MLB Draft/International Talent forum. It's also a great place to share any scouting information you come across.

[JohnBriggs12]

If there's ever been a time that the Brewers should pull out the checkbook, this is it. As has been pointed out, there's a lot coming off the books after this year, a process that could be sped up in July.

 

Brewer's can't afford the big impact established players in FA. The guys they can afford aren't really the difference makers. Sure Dodger and Yankees will be tough to overcome but on the other hand, those teams have a lot of other methods available to acquire top notch talent so might not be willing to put as many eggs in this basket as might be thought.

[pacopete4]

Go get him Doug.

[reillymcshane]

It's fun to imagine a 2017 line up of the following:

 

C - Lucroy

1B - Braun

2B - Scooter or Segura or Sardinas

SS - Arcia

3B - Moncada

LF - Davis

CF - Taylor

RF - Coulter

[SRB]

Guys, I have the 1st 3 picks in my fantasy draft (keeper league). How good are these Cubans!! Im trying to find out some in depth scouting reports and couldn't find much, anyone care to weigh in?

 

It seems like the "expert" consensus on Moncada is that he would probably be the first overall pick in this year's draft, but factoring in proximity to majors and everything else, would rank in the 5-15 range in terms of overall prospects right now. So there's a lot of boom potential that might make it a fun risk for you in fantasy, but for your purposes it also might be safer to pick someone like Kris Bryant or Bryan Buxton.

[fondybrewfan]

Heck if things go really well Monte Harrison could be your CF and Taylor your LF come 2017. Optimistic for sure; but it could happen.

[reillymcshane]

In all honesty, the only likely way this club would have ever gotten Moncada would have been if they had went into rebuild mode this past off season and shed a ton of payroll.

 

Traded Lohse, Parra, Gomez, Broxton. Let A-Ram walk. Released Estrada (meaning no Lind). No free agents (Cotts, Perez). Went with guys like Clark, Rogers and Schafer (or some other AAA type guys). We would have sucked, but even keeping Braun and Garza (who may be tradable - I'm not sure if he is), we could have gotten payroll down to $45 million. We would have had plenty of money to go after Moncada. Perhaps we could have even made a run at Yadier Alvarez, the stud 18-year old Cuban pitcher.

 

Add Moncada, Alvarez, plus a couple of top 100 type guys from a Gomez deal, and your minor league system is looking a whole lot different. And don't forget a couple of top draft picks after the team sticks up the joint for a couple of years.

 

That would have been fun. Of course, we would have had to stink for a few years, but that's life.

[superfly]

It's fun to imagine a 2017 line up of the following:

 

C - Lucroy

1B - Braun

2B - Scooter or Segura or Sardinas

SS - Arcia

3B - Moncada

LF - Davis

CF - Taylor

RF - Harrison

 

Fixed it for you.

[JohnBriggs12]

In all honesty, the only likely way this club would have ever gotten Moncada would have been if they had went into rebuild mode this past off season and shed a ton of payroll.

 

Traded Lohse, Parra, Gomez, Broxton. Let A-Ram walk. Released Estrada (meaning no Lind). No free agents (Cotts, Perez). Went with guys like Clark, Rogers and Schafer (or some other AAA type guys). We would have sucked, but even keeping Braun and Garza (who may be tradable - I'm not sure if he is), we could have gotten payroll down to $45 million. We would have had plenty of money to go after Moncada. Perhaps we could have even made a run at Yadier Alvarez, the stud 18-year old Cuban pitcher.

 

Add Moncada, Alvarez, plus a couple of top 100 type guys from a Gomez deal, and your minor league system is looking a whole lot different. And don't forget a couple of top draft picks after the team sticks up the joint for a couple of years.

 

That would have been fun. Of course, we would have had to stink for a few years, but that's life.

 

"would have gotten" implies he's signed elsewhere. Brewers don't need to shed $65 million in payroll to get one guy. That's ludicrous. They shed Gallardo and probably should have let A-Ram walk. There's $20 million just in one year. Lohse and Broxton are off the books next year (another $20 million or so). Gomez comes off the following year. Allowing those to happen isn't a complete rebuild.

 

"Stinking up the joint for several years" for a franchise that relies on gate receipts as heavily as the Brewer's do is suicidal. That works for the Cubs. White Sox have shown this year that there are other ways.

[pete]

Here's Jon Heyman saying they're in it:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25073909/moncada-market-yankees-dodgers-red-sox-and-some-surprises

[reillymcshane]

In all honesty, the only likely way this club would have ever gotten Moncada would have been if they had went into rebuild mode this past off season and shed a ton of payroll.

 

Traded Lohse, Parra, Gomez, Broxton. Let A-Ram walk. Released Estrada (meaning no Lind). No free agents (Cotts, Perez). Went with guys like Clark, Rogers and Schafer (or some other AAA type guys). We would have sucked, but even keeping Braun and Garza (who may be tradable - I'm not sure if he is), we could have gotten payroll down to $45 million. We would have had plenty of money to go after Moncada. Perhaps we could have even made a run at Yadier Alvarez, the stud 18-year old Cuban pitcher.

 

Add Moncada, Alvarez, plus a couple of top 100 type guys from a Gomez deal, and your minor league system is looking a whole lot different. And don't forget a couple of top draft picks after the team sticks up the joint for a couple of years.

 

That would have been fun. Of course, we would have had to stink for a few years, but that's life.

 

"would have gotten" implies he's signed elsewhere. Brewers don't need to shed $65 million in payroll to get one guy. That's ludicrous. They shed Gallardo and probably should have let A-Ram walk. There's $20 million just in one year. Lohse and Broxton are off the books next year (another $20 million or so). Gomez comes off the following year. Allowing those to happen isn't a complete rebuild.

 

"Stinking up the joint for several years" for a franchise that relies on gate receipts as heavily as the Brewer's do is suicidal. That works for the Cubs. White Sox have shown this year that there are other ways.

 

No one says we 'need' to shed $65 million to sign one guy. The point was that the most likely way we would have landed Moncada was if the team had elected to go into rebuild mode this past offseason, clearing a lot of salary that would have allowed us a chance at Moncada (and even other high end prospects such as Alvarez). But we didn't do that. We spent our money in other ways (A-Ram, Lind, Cotts, etc.) with the hope of contending this year. The merits of that decision are an entirely different matter.

 

Yet nothing says we can't still sign Moncada. However, between the actual signing bonus and the equal amount of penalties, it would send payroll far higher than it's ever been before. To me, that's a sign that Milwaukee getting Moncada is unlikely. Not impossible, just unlikely.

 

As for your statement that it would be suicidal for Milwaukee to go into a full rebuild, that's a legitimate opinion, but again, I was presenting, what I felt, was the most likely scenario where we could have gotten Moncada. Again, the merits of that scenario (a complete rebuild) have been discussed in other threads devoted to that sort of thing.

[Roderick]

 

Lohse and Broxton are off the books next year (another $20 million or so).

 

With a $2M buyout, I wouldn't be sure on Broxton being gone. If he puts up a year like he did last year, for a net cost of $7M I would assume I would keep him another year. And Broxton can't decline and assume he will get paid more if KRod and Soriano don't end up with much this offseason.

[Eye Black]

Here's Jon Heyman saying they're in it:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25073909/moncada-market-yankees-dodgers-red-sox-and-some-surprises

I found this section from the article interesting...

 

Moncada has said through Hastings he is aiming to become a franchise player who forever remains with one chosen team, and interestingly, he is still hoping to pick that team by the end of this month, or thereabouts, with the intention of getting quickly to spring training to try to make the major-league team this year. "I am hopeful by the end of next week we'll have everything necessary to make a decision on where he's going to be playing," Hastings, a CPA by profession, said from his St. Petersburg, Fla., office.

He doesn't necessarily have to go with the highest bid. I wonder if they are asking teams to guarantee him a spot on the MLB roster by a certain date (i.e. this year, next year)? From Moncada's standpoint that would start his arbitration clock and six years of team control sooner and may be worth more than an extra $3-5 million. Still, not sure any teams would go for it unless they were desperate to win the bidding.

[jerichoholicninja]

I don't think any team would guarantee him a roster spot but he could very well get a major league contract and 40 man spot similar to what a few top draft picks the last decade or so.

[SRB]

If Mark A lands Moncada it will easily be my favorite off-the-field moment in franchise history.

[superfly]

If Mark A lands Moncada it will easily be my favorite off-the-field moment in franchise history.

 

 

The fact that we're sitting here anxious with hope that we might actually land him is in itself awesome. Hope our wishes and dreams come true.

[brewmann04]

still no proof the brewers are in this nice to dream.

[3and2Fastball]

If Mark A lands Moncada it will easily be my favorite off-the-field moment in franchise history.

 

Mine too!

 

The Yankees have worked Moncada out again in the last 25 hours. I think they are zeroing in on him

[brewmann04]

he will be a yankee but the end of Feb alot of talk here in NY about his addition.

[reillymcshane]

Yankees would be crazy not to get the guy. They have the cash. No one can outbid them. They lack big upside younger players. They can't sign any major guys in the next international cycle. It's an attractive market.

 

It makes too much sense not to happen.

[torts]

if he can play 3B all signs should point towards Milwaukee for him as there is NOTHING in his way.

[torts]

man, him backing up Rami and learning from him and then becoming the everyday 3B next year? YES PLZ VERY MUCH!