Milwaukee Bucks 2014 - 2015 (part 1)

[tmwiese55]

I really think the long term contract planning that we'd been discussing in this thread is a factor in this. they know Giannis has a max contract coming and hope Jabari does as well. They don't want Knight's possible 15mil sitting there already.

 

Problem of course is that if MCW does play well, step up a level or two and learns to shoot adequately then he'll be needing a max deal the same time as Giannis. It's kind of kicking the decision down the road a bit. They can flip MCW in a 2 years if they don't think he's worth it and have a much cheaper Enis in his place if he pans out.

[GAME05]

my bad, Ennis is going to Philadelphia.

[BrewBalls]

Bottom line is they have gained some much needed flexibility going forward. Nice move as far as I'm concerned.

[BrewBalls]

my bad, Ennis is going to Philadelphia.

Not based on these reports.

 

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/02/acquire-brandon-knight.html

[GAME05]

Cripes that's the fourth different version of the trade I've read in the past ten minutes.

[Outlander]

BrewBalls, don't know how Ersan and Mayo get removed from the payroll next year so not too much room to sign a big free agent. Kind of surprised Ersan survived the trade deadline yet again.

[rwa12]

As a Syracuse Alum, I'm glad to see these guys on the Bucks. As a fan of the Bucks this year, I think they may have some growing pains for a bit. Really interesting trade. I would say they maximized value for Knight.

[BrewBalls]

BrewBalls, don't know how Ersan and Mayo get removed from the payroll next year so not too much room to sign a big free agent. Kind of surprised Ersan survived the trade deadline yet again.

I was originally hoping both would have been traded at the deadline for expiring contracts/draft picks. Not sure how much value either will hold by the offseason.

[lcbj68c]

If we are acquiring 3 players for 1...who gets removed from the active roster? Max is 12, yes?

[monkeyman343434]

Sanders being bought out and probably not extending Jorge another contract.

[lcbj68c]

I guess Kendall Marshall is also headed out to the Suns as part of the deal. Per Chad Ford.

[Jenkins5]

PG MCW 6'6

SG Middleton 6'7

SF Giannis 6'11

PF Henson 6'11

C Zaza 6'11

 

Ready to play some small ball? ha

[trwi7]

Absolutely awful to ship that Lakers pick for MCW.

[Jenkins5]

It's not bad if Lakers pick falls after 6 which is pretty possible when it comes to how crappy the lottery system is. They got Joel and Nerlen for the their twin towers, and they will be able to get either Russell or Mudiay to be the PG of the future, if they get pick 6-10 they can also add a Stanley Johnson/Winslow/Hezonja also well. They can't sell winning, got to sell hope....That and the fact that team needs some shooters which MCW can not do.

[trwi7]

I'm saying we should've kept that pick. That is way too valuable of an asset to give up for a player that's been as bad as MCW to hope Kidd can mold him into a good player.

[lcbj68c]

I'm saying we should've kept that pick. That is way too valuable of an asset to give up for a player that's been as bad as MCW to hope Kidd can mold him into a good player.

 

The pick was never the Bucks asset. It went straight from Phoenix to Philly and was neccessary to reach a 3 team deal.

[davego]

Correct. Never milwaukee's pick to hold. Even if it was, that Laker pick for MCW might still be a fair deal.

 

I really like today's action for the Bucks. While it might slow down the 2014-15 train, certainly gives them cheaper and more flexibility in their assists. MCW, Jarbi and Giannis is s pretty good foundation.

[lcbj68c]

Officially, per the Bucks.com press release:

 

~~To Phoenix~~

G Brandon Knight (From Milwaukee)

G Kendall Marshall (From Milwaukee)

 

~~ To Milwaukee ~~

G Michael Carter Williams (From Philadelphia)

G Tyler Ennis (From Phoenix)

C Miles Plumlee (From Phoenix)

 

~~ To Philadelphia ~~

2015 1st Round Draft Pick (From Phoenix via Los Angeles Lakers) **If Lakers don't fall in top 5 of the lottery (becomes a 1st rounder in 2016 IF Lakers don't fall in the top 3 in the 2016 lottery)

 

~~ To Waivers ~~

Kenyon Martin (From Milwaukee)

Kendall Marshall (reportedly from Phoenix)

 

 

I don't see any complaints in the deal. MCW is doing very good things in the NBA in just his second year coming off a Rookie of the Year award. The Bucks gain two years of control with MCW over Brandon Knight before they need to make a decision on an expensive contract. I'm liking this deal, especially if word comes that resigning Knight was not happening, from the Bucks or from Knight himself.

[lcbj68c]

Correct. Never milwaukee's pick to hold. Even if it was, that Laker pick for MCW might still be a fair deal.

 

Right, it was never Milwaukee's pick to hold. We can't assume that there was ever a conversation between Phoenix/Milwaukee for Knight for the Lakers 1st Round protected pick straight up. Therefore having any conversation about that pick for MCW straight up can't be held either.

[trwi7]

I'm saying we should've kept that pick. That is way too valuable of an asset to give up for a player that's been as bad as MCW to hope Kidd can mold him into a good player.

 

The pick was never the Bucks asset. It went straight from Phoenix to Philly and was neccessary to reach a 3 team deal.

 

Sure it was. Phoenix only got a player from us. We could have easily cut out Philly and taken Ennis, Plumlee and the pick. It was a deal between us and Phoenix and we then flipped that pick to Philly for MCW.

[lcbj68c]

I'm saying we should've kept that pick. That is way too valuable of an asset to give up for a player that's been as bad as MCW to hope Kidd can mold him into a good player.

 

The pick was never the Bucks asset. It went straight from Phoenix to Philly and was neccessary to reach a 3 team deal.

 

Sure it was. Phoenix only got a player from us. We could have easily cut out Philly and taken Ennis, Plumlee and the pick. It was a deal between us and Phoenix and we then flipped that pick to Philly for MCW.

 

 

No, that's not how it works. Milwaukee was never in possession of that asset. It's nice speculation, but we don't know that to be true. I don't know that I would have wanted the Lakers pick in 2016, Ennis, Plumlee for Brandon Knight. (It appears the Lakers can't fall any further than 7th in the lottery for the 4th worst record and getting 6th or 7th odds are less than 10%, so they likely keep that pick in 2015.) Why give up an asset in Knight for some mid 1st-rounder in 2016 that likely won't contribute significantly until 2018, if at all? Instead, they got an immediate asset.

[trwi7]

No, that's not how it works. Milwaukee was never in possession of that asset. It's nice speculation, but we don't know that to be true. I don't know that I would have wanted the Lakers pick in 2016, Ennis, Plumlee for Brandon Knight. (It appears the Lakers can't fall any further than 7th in the lottery for the 4th worst record and getting 6th or 7th odds are less than 10%, so they likely keep that pick in 2015.) Why give up an asset in Knight for some mid 1st-rounder in 2016 that likely won't contribute significantly until 2018, if at all? Instead, they got an immediate asset.

 

Sure, they weren't actually in possession of the asset but they could've been. That's the point I was making. By just cutting Philly out, that pick could've been theirs. And yeah, they probably wouldn't get the pick this year but it's only top 3 protected for the next 2 years and unprotected in 2018.

 

You think the Lakers are going to have a mid 1st round pick next year? To me they're almost a guaranteed lottery team. At best I think they're 11th in the Western Conference. I'll take that gamble all day long, especially when the other gamble is a player as bad as MCW.

[lcbj68c]

Sure, they weren't actually in possession of the asset but they could've been. That's the point I was making. By just cutting Philly out, that pick could've been theirs. And yeah, they probably wouldn't get the pick this year but it's only top 3 protected for the next 2 years and unprotected in 2018.

 

You think the Lakers are going to have a mid 1st round pick next year? To me they're almost a guaranteed lottery team. At best I think they're 11th in the Western Conference. I'll take that gamble all day long, especially when the other gamble is a player as bad as MCW.

 

We don't know that offer was available. They could have possessed ALOT of things. I think the Lakers will finish 4th in the lottery in 2015 and keep their pick. I think through free agency and other moves, they'll finish around 16th in 2016 and that pick will be around 14. I'm not thrilled with that kind of return for 14 months of Brandon Knight assuming he didn't get away in RFA. I don't see the bad in MCW. Rookie of the Year and when healthy, posting 17/7/6 on average on a bad basketball team. His shooting percentage leaves something to be desired, but as a point guard, he seems to have accomplished everything that's been asked of him in Philadelphia.

[trwi7]

We don't know that offer was available.

 

Of course it was available!

 

The Suns traded the Lakers pick, Plumlee and Ennis and got back Knight. That's it. No players or picks from the Sixers. Are you saying the Suns wouldn't have done that deal just with the Bucks but somehow, for some reason agreed to it when Philly got involved?

[lcbj68c]

Of course it was available!

 

The Suns traded the Lakers pick, Plumlee and Ennis and got back Knight. That's it. No players or picks from the Sixers. Are you saying the Suns wouldn't have done that deal just with the Bucks but somehow, for some reason agreed to it when Philly got involved?

 

The discussion could have been between Phoenix & Philadelphia for the 1st round pick + for MCW, but perhaps Phoenix decided they didn't want MCW, so they got Milwaukee involved for Brandon Knight? Perhaps Milwaukee didn't want the pick and instead wanted an asset. We just don't know. Stating matter of factly that Milwaukee could have been sitting with the Lakers 2015 First Round pick seems disingenous.