Milwaukee Bucks 2014 - 2015 (part 1)

[homer]

Since the summer league is about to start it's probably a good time to cut off last year and start a new thread for a new season.

 

Here is a link to last year's thread in case you want to continue a topic from there:

 

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[patrickgpe]

games on friday and sunday are on nba TV. looking forward to seeing Jabari parker in a bucks uniform.

[tigerbrew]

Rockets want to dump Jeremy Lin's contract to make a run for a max free agent, and the Bucks are reported interested in trading for Lin. Hopefully we can trade former Rocket Delfino for Lin + a first round pick.

 

Starters: Wolters, Knight, Giannis, Parker, Sanders

 

Bench: Lin, Mayo, Middleton, Ersan, Henson, Zaza, Miroslav

 

Reserve: Inglis, O'Bryant

[superfly]

Supposedly (per Stein) we're working on offer sheets for Eric Bledsoe (max deal) and Greivis Vasquez.

[trwi7]

Bledsoe I could get behind because he's really good and only 24. Vasquez I don't get at all. If you want another PG (I don't unless it's Bledsoe or Lin + assets), just sign Sessions.

[fondybrewfan]

Bledsoe isn't going anywhere though; the Suns are going to match. Vasquez would be fine I guess; just don't do a crazy contract.

 

It is kind of cool a couple of ex Badgers in Brust and Taylor are on the Summer League team. Neither probably has a chance of making the team but it should be a cool experience for them and they get to showcase for Euro teams

[yoshii8]

It is kind of cool a couple of ex Badgers in Brust and Taylor are on the Summer League team. Neither probably has a chance of making the team but it should be a cool experience for them and they get to showcase for Euro teams

 

I guess it's kind of cool, but I'd rather they have guys that actually have a chance to be an NBA player.

[FVBrewerFan]

Brust has a chance to play. If you can shoot, there's a job for you in the NBA. If Dwight Buyks somehow found a way onto an NBA roster, no reason to believe Brust doesn't at least have a chance.

[homer]

Brust has a chance to play. If you can shoot, there's a job for you in the NBA. If Dwight Buyks somehow found a way onto an NBA roster, no reason to believe Brust doesn't at least have a chance.

 

I think he needs a quicker release.

[HiAndTight]

Bledsoe isn't going anywhere though; the Suns are going to match. Vasquez would be fine I guess; just don't do a crazy contract.

 

It is kind of cool a couple of ex Badgers in Brust and Taylor are on the Summer League team. Neither probably has a chance of making the team but it should be a cool experience for them and they get to showcase for Euro teams

 

 

The Suns have already intimated they're not confident in giving Bledsoe a max deal. If the Bucks move fast here with the Suns pursuing big name Free Agents, I think there is a reasonable chance they could sign Bledsoe.

 

4 years 64 million is the exact type of risk that I think the Bucks should be taking. The knock in Bledsoe is that he hasn't been a starter for a full season. If he had, it'd be a no-brainer to lock him up and would have likely already been done. But as I said in the previous thread, he's the ONLY guy I'd want to bring in. Otherwise, let this team play together, learn and grow together and end up back in the lottery next year and grab your PG then.

 

By the way, the Suns who already had another very good PG to go with Bledsoe in Dragic, they drafted Tyler Ennis a guy many thought could find his way into the lottery, they then also drafted another guard in the 1st round.

 

 

 

But that's up to the Suns to decide if they want to keep him. The Bucks need to offer him a max deal. And if that falls through, they should not lock up a single dollar of '15-16 cap room on anyone else. Wait until G and Parker have developed enough and the Bucks have a new stadium deal and are more attractive to free agents.

 

I've heard people even throw around ridiculous idea's like Gasol and others. All or nothing on one player(well, I suppose they could offer LeBron a max deal as well, but I'm going out on a limb here and am gonna say he's not considering Milwaukee).

[superfly]

I think we'd be insane to not run in and offer Bledsoe a big contract now while the Suns are occupied. Sure we may not get him, but our best shot is when they are not 100% sure on it...every time Bledsoe has gotten good run he produces...he is a very good player that many folks are underrating because they simply look at his "career numbers." He backed up CP3 for most of that time, he and Knight would be a pretty dynamic backcourt.

[trwi7]

Brust has a chance to play. If you can shoot, there's a job for you in the NBA. If Dwight Buyks somehow found a way onto an NBA roster, no reason to believe Brust doesn't at least have a chance.

 

He's not even a 40% 3 point shooter in college. Now he needs to extend his range a couple feet and at least hit at the same clip he hit in college to cover up his lack of any other skills. I just don't see it. He'd be good in Europe though.

[davego]

I'd go with a cheaper deal with Sessions and then go as young as we can. Not a tank, but if we start 3 guys under 22 years of age, I would think one more trip to the lottery would be in-store. Then, look to make a play for a tier-one FA. Just my thoughts.

[Baldkin]

Brust has a chance to play. If you can shoot, there's a job for you in the NBA. If Dwight Buyks somehow found a way onto an NBA roster, no reason to believe Brust doesn't at least have a chance.

 

I think he needs a quicker release.

 

And about 4". He just isn't tall enough and don't think he can guard opposing point guards.

[superfly]

I'd go with a cheaper deal with Sessions and then go as young as we can. Not a tank, but if we start 3 guys under 22 years of age, I would think one more trip to the lottery would be in-store. Then, look to make a play for a tier-one FA. Just my thoughts.

 

Why do we need to wait to make a play for a tier-one? Bledsoe is a budding star in this league and we can already get young with him. Sessions is what he is, there's no reason to clog up the system with another useless player who doesn't fit a long term plan.

 

It's not a given Phoenix matches a deal either, they have to make a decision whether to keep Bledsoe and Ennis or Dragic and Ennis long term. Dragic is probably the logical option as he can play SG.

[GAME05]

i just think about holding off because we're looking at a decent draft pick next year, so we'd have more freedom to select best-available than if we had all the more positions blocked by bring a star in right now. same goes for some flexibility in trading Sanders (if it happens) than needing to trade him for a player in one specific position. and what's the rush? it's not like one more good player is going to make us Eastern Conference contenders. may as well let the current young guys develop more so that when we do bring some good FA in, we're a contending team for all four years the player is here instead of only being good for two of those four years.

[superfly]

i just think about holding off because we're looking at a decent draft pick next year, so we'd have more freedom to select best-available than if we had all the more positions blocked by bring a star in right now. same goes for some flexibility in trading Sanders (if it happens) than needing to trade him for a player in one specific position. and what's the rush? it's not like one more good player is going to make us Eastern Conference contenders. may as well let the current young guys develop more so that when we do bring some good FA in, we're a contending team for all four years the player is here instead of only being good for two of those four years.

 

There isn't a rush...if we don't get him then we sit down until next year. He's only like 23 and had very little wear the first couple years. Next year's draft is expected to be pretty weak (could change im sure), but I wouldn't count on us having another historically bad season. If Larry can be what he was before last year I think we'll be closer to 30 wins, which would take us out of the top 3-4 probably.

[Baldkin]

i just think about holding off because we're looking at a decent draft pick next year, so we'd have more freedom to select best-available than if we had all the more positions blocked by bring a star in right now. same goes for some flexibility in trading Sanders (if it happens) than needing to trade him for a player in one specific position. and what's the rush? it's not like one more good player is going to make us Eastern Conference contenders. may as well let the current young guys develop more so that when we do bring some good FA in, we're a contending team for all four years the player is here instead of only being good for two of those four years.

 

Because it's a rare confluence of events that will make Bledsoe even available.

 

Phoenix thinking they have a shot at Bosh or LeBron, Bledsoe being a backup behind Chris Paul for 2 years, and the Bucks having enough cap space to take on Bledsoe's contract.

 

Banking that in the future, someone will 1) fit our team, 2) be under 25, 3) want to sign a long term deal with Milwaukee and 4) that whomever we pick next year will be better than Bledsoe seems like too much to me.

 

Last year was a perfect storm of events. Caron Butler, Gary Neal, Larry Sander's injuries, Larry Drew thinking that Caron Butler and Gary Neal were good defensive subsitutions late in games, Brandon Knight playing point guard, Ersan being hurt all year, Zaza playing way, way, way too much, etc, etc.

 

It just won't happen again.

[FVBrewerFan]

Brust has a chance to play. If you can shoot, there's a job for you in the NBA. If Dwight Buyks somehow found a way onto an NBA roster, no reason to believe Brust doesn't at least have a chance.

 

I think he needs a quicker release.

 

And about 4". He just isn't tall enough and don't think he can guard opposing point guards.

 

I agree with all that. There's reasons why he wasn't drafted the #1 overall pick- or even drafted at all. Never said he will make it, just that he has a chance. He does have deep range, just wasn't as consistent as you would like. That can be developed, just a matter of whether the Bucks or any other team wants to take on that project. I think he would be fine defensively, at least he would give an effort on that side of the floor.

 

Just like Gardner, I don't see him making it (for entirely different reasons, of course) but that's what the summer is for- sometimes a guy surprises you.

[FVBrewerFan]

If they match Bucks offer for Bledsoe (if it goes that far) would you consider trading for Ennis? What do you think it would take? I would throw Irsan and/or Mayo at them, but I doubt they would want to take on that salary.

[Baldkin]

If they match Bucks offer for Bledsoe (if it goes that far) would you consider trading for Ennis? What do you think it would take? I would throw Irsan and/or Mayo at them, but I doubt they would want to take on that salary.

 

Ennis is making nothing. If Phoenix matches, Phoenix won't be taking on any salary.

[FVBrewerFan]

Sure they would, in that scenario. First, by matching the Bucks offer for Bledsoe they would be adding a lot of salary. Then by taking Mayo or Irsan, they would be adding that salary also, no? Bucks wouyld be the ones shedding salary, taking on Ennis minimal salary and losing Mayo/Irsan salary.

[Baldkin]

Sure they would, in that scenario. First, by matching the Bucks offer for Bledsoe they would be adding a lot of salary. Then by taking Mayo or Irsan, they would be adding that salary also, no? Bucks wouyld be the ones shedding salary, taking on Ennis minimal salary and losing Mayo/Irsan salary.

 

I meant they wouldn't be taking on any more. As in, there's no way they'd do that trade.

[HiAndTight]

i just think about holding off because we're looking at a decent draft pick next year, so we'd have more freedom to select best-available than if we had all the more positions blocked by bring a star in right now. same goes for some flexibility in trading Sanders (if it happens) than needing to trade him for a player in one specific position. and what's the rush? it's not like one more good player is going to make us Eastern Conference contenders. may as well let the current young guys develop more so that when we do bring some good FA in, we're a contending team for all four years the player is here instead of only being good for two of those four years.

 

Because it's a rare confluence of events that will make Bledsoe even available.

 

Phoenix thinking they have a shot at Bosh or LeBron, Bledsoe being a backup behind Chris Paul for 2 years, and the Bucks having enough cap space to take on Bledsoe's contract.

 

Banking that in the future, someone will 1) fit our team, 2) be under 25, 3) want to sign a long term deal with Milwaukee and 4) that whomever we pick next year will be better than Bledsoe seems like too much to me.

 

Last year was a perfect storm of events. Caron Butler, Gary Neal, Larry Sander's injuries, Larry Drew thinking that Caron Butler and Gary Neal were good defensive subsitutions late in games, Brandon Knight playing point guard, Ersan being hurt all year, Zaza playing way, way, way too much, etc, etc.

 

It just won't happen again.

 

 

Exactly. It's not like we're talking about giving someone like Salmons or Maggette..or Richard Jefferson a big contract. We're talking about another young player that could grow with this team. You're never going to go from the worst team in the league to the Finals in one year so I don't know why that gets thrown up there.

 

But he could be a key player in us one day GETTING to the conference finals. Plus, he could be huge in helping all our young guys develop. You would think he'd create a lot of opportunities for guys like Giannis and Parker, but even for Henson and Sanders on lobs and put backs as he gets to the rim. I think he could easily be an 18/8 type guy who can be a very good defender. And then Knight can move to his more natural Ben Gordon type role coming off the bench.

 

 

There is no rule these guys HAVE to be drafted by the Bucks. I would also agree if you swing and miss on Bledsoe you put your checkbook away and don't touch Lin, or anyone else on this market(that would realistically come to Milwaukee).

[HiAndTight]

Sure they would, in that scenario. First, by matching the Bucks offer for Bledsoe they would be adding a lot of salary. Then by taking Mayo or Irsan, they would be adding that salary also, no? Bucks wouyld be the ones shedding salary, taking on Ennis minimal salary and losing Mayo/Irsan salary.

 

I meant they wouldn't be taking on any more. As in, there's no way they'd do that trade.

 

 

 

The Bucks are going to have to give up something else if they want to unload Mayo on anyone. Probably at least a protected 1st round pick. Given that the Suns have 3 of them next year and 2 the following year, AND that they would be letting Bledsoe go due to a logjam in the backcourt, I see no reason they'd want Mayo back even with a lottery protected 1st.