BF.net Fan Community Top 20 Prospects - 5/23/2014

[reillymcshane]

Welcome to the 2014 Brewerfan.net Top 20 Community Prospect list. [LINK to original thread with user-submitted lists]

 

Please note that all information (stats, age, team) is through May 22, 2014.

 

#1 - Jimmy Nelson, RHP, Nashville (AAA), age 24.

433 pts (17 first place votes) - 22 of 22 ballots

58 IP, 17BB, 58K, 1.71 ERA, 0.931 WHIP - only 1 HR allowed

The big righty has done everything the Brewers wanted of him in 2014. He's lowered his walk rate, kept up his strikeout rate, and has been keeping the ball in the park (only 1 HR allowed). The result is a sparkling season. Nelson represents the only Top 10 prospect who is likely ready to help the Brewers in 2014. His stellar performance plus major league readiness make him the Brewers' top prospect. NOTE: On May 23, it was reported that Nelson will be called up to replace Gallardo, who has an injured ankle.

 

#2 - Tyrone Taylor, CF, Brevard County (A+), age 20.

414 pts (4 first place votes) - 22 of 22 ballots

.259 BA, .325 OBP, .454 SLG, .779 OPS - 20 doubles

The toolsy Taylor has upped his game in 2014 by adding a bit of power. Taylor's 20 doubles lead the Florida State League by a wide margin. His BA and OBP aren't great, but Taylor's production should be kept in context. The FSL is a tough hitters league, and he is nearly three years (2.7 to be exact) younger than the league average. In addition to his developing bat, Taylor plays a good CF, probably making him the best all around position player in the system.

 

#3 - Clint Coulter, C, Wisconsin (A-), age 20.

398 pts (1 first place vote) - 22 of 22 ballots

.291 BA, .426 OPS, .553 SLG, 979 OPS - 8 HR, 35 RBI, 27 BB, 19 XBH

After scuffling badly in 2013, Coulter has returned to Wisconsin and hit the ball with authority. He leads the Midwest League in HRs and RBI, is second in OPS, and fourth in OBP. Coulter's combination of power, patience and average make him the Crew's top all around hitting prospect in the minors. The big question is whether Coulter stays behind the dish.

 

#4 - Orlando Arcia, SS, Brevard County (A+), age 19.

328 pts (17) - 21 of 22 ballots

.244 BA, .314 OBP, .314 SLG, .628 OPS - 8 SB

No one will question Arcia's glove, but his bat raises some questions. Arcia is hitting just .244 with minimal power this year (not much different than 2013 at Wisconsin). But not all is lost. Arcia is only 19 - almost four years younger than the league average. His 6'0" frame has room to fill out and add strength. The other thing notable about Arcia is his advanced eye at the plate. In his career, he has as many walks as strikeouts. For Arcia, his glove will take him to the big leagues, but how his hitting develops will determine his role.

 

#5 - Devin Williams, RHP, Helena, (Rookie), age 19.

303 pts - 21 of 22 ballots

Has not played yet in 2014.

The Brewers' top pick in 2013 (2nd round) is a raw, projectable prospect. He struck out 39 batters in only 34.2 innings in his debut last summer - but also walked 22. At 6'3" and only 165, expect Williams to grow into his frame and (hopefully) adding more velocity. Scouts view Williams as a bit of a project (like most high school pitchers), but few deny he offers tremendous promise. BF.net fans love the big upside, pushing Williams this high on our prospect list.

 

#6 - Mitch Haniger, OF, Huntsville (AA), age 23.

292 pts - 21 of 22 ballots

.239 BA, .311 OBP, .333 SLG, .644 OPS.

Haniger seemed poised for a breakout year in 2014 after solid performances in the Arizona Fall League and spring training. Haniger, however, struggled badly out of gate, batting under .200 for much of 2014. He has rebounded of late, boosting his BA to .239. Scouts and fans are cautiously optimistic about Haniger, betting that he will develop more power, and become the player that produced a .909 OPS for Wisconsin last year before being promoted to Brevard County. He is a good OF with a strong arm, but Haniger needs to start producing consistently if he's going to stay this highly ranked.

 

#7 - Taylor Jungmann - RHP, Huntsville (AA), age 24

287 pts - 22 of 22 ballots

52 IP, 15BB, 46K, 2.77 ERA, 1.288 WHIP

The Brewers' top pick in 2011 has mostly disappointed prior to 2014 with low strikeout numbers, high walk rates and middling results. Returning to AA this year, Jungmann has restored some of the luster on his prospects by pitching very well. The big right hander has struck out 46 in 51 innings while walking only 15 - both significant improvements over last season. With a 2.77 ERA in his pocket, Taylor was promoted to AAA on May 23 (taking the lose in his first appearance).

 

#8 - Victor Roache, OF, Brevard County (A+), age 22.

244 pts - 22 of 22 ballots

.211 BA, .268 OBP, .392 SLG, .660 OPS - 7 HR

After struggling in the first half of 2013, Roache broke out, hitting 16 HRs in the second half of the season. Brewers fans hoped that breakout would translate into a big 2014 for Roache, who led college baseball in HRs as a sophomore. Alas, Roache has struggled mightily this year as the power hitting OF has fought just to keep his BA over .200. BF.net fans are split on Roache's future (detractors point to low BA, high Ks and mediocre to low walk rates), but those in his camp are hoping for a 2nd half rebound (he has a .828 OPS in May). No player in the Brewers' system offers the power potential of Roache (although Denson fans might disagree), which is why fans are eager to see him get his career back on track.

 

#9 - Jed Bradley, LHP, Brevard County (A+), age 23.

214 pts - 21 of 22 ballots

54 IP, 9BB, 47K, 2.67 ERA, 1.000 WHIP

Two month's ago it's unlikely many people would have thought Bradley would end up on a top 10 list. But the big lefty has broke out in a big way in 2014 after battling a variety of injuries and ineffectiveness in 2012-13. Jed sports some impressive numbers, including 47 strikeout vs only 9 walks in 54 innings. He recently threw nine innings of shutout pitching - inducing 21 ground balls vs 2 flyouts. That kind of performance has BF.net fans excited. But the excitement should be tempered with the knowledge that Bradley is in his third season at Brevard County. A bump to AA might be in the cards, although Brewer officials have said keeping Bradley healthy and putting him in an environment where he can succeed are their main concerns in 2014.

 

#10 - Michael Reed, OF, Brevard County (A+), age 21.

213 pts - 21 of 22 ballots

.291 BA, .470 OBP, .427 SLG, .897 OPS - 35 BB, 17 SB in 36 games

No one in our system works pitches like Michael Reed. The Brewers OF is second in the FSL with 35 BBs and an OBP of .470. Those kinds of numbers make people take notice. Additionally, Reed hits for a solid average (.286 in 2013, .291 in 2014) and has decent speed. Reed's issue is power - or lack thereof. Prior to this year, he had 2 total HRs in his career. So far in 2014, he has hit 2 HR and 9 doubles in only 110 ABs. The Brewers are hoping that the modest bump in slugging will continue to increase as Reed matures. No one expects him to hit 30 HR, but he is likely destined to be a corner OF - meaning he needs to show some long ball ability. Could a Michael Brantley career arc be in Reed's future (albeit one with more walks and more strikeouts)? NOTE: Reed was placed on the DL on May 22.

 

#11 - Hunter Morris, 1B, Nashville (AAA), Age 25

172 pts - 18 of 22 ballots

.294 BA, .337 OBP, .479 SLG, .816 OPS - 6 HR, 12 doubles

After a stellar 2012 at Huntsville, the shine went off Morris as he failed to hit (.247) at AAA ball last season. A return to Nashville in 2014 has helped Morris (improved BA and OBP), but his limitations are evident. He simply doesn't get on base that often and his power is good - but not great. Like many left handers, Morris has hit right handed pitching much better in his career, meaning his best chance of producing in the big leagues will likely be part of a platoon. With Overbay floundering in Milwaukee, there's always the chance Morris gets a chance with the big boys at some point this year.

 

#12 - Tucker Neuhaus, 3B, Helena, (Rookie), age 19.

141 pts - 16 of 22 ballots

Has not played in 2014

A 2nd round pick in 2014, the left handed hitting Neuhaus will look to improve on an unspectacular debut last summer in Arizona (.231 BA, .613 OPS, no HR in 195 ABs). But the young Neuhaus offers a lot of promise and projectability. He sports a plus arm and solid baseball instincts. Scouts praise his character. At 6'3" and 180 lbs, Neuhaus should grow into his frame and add strength.

 

#13 - Nick Delmonico, 3B, Brevard County (A+), age 21.

140 pts - 16 of 22 ballots

.263 BA, .300 OBP, .368 SLG, .668 OPS - Has only played 10 games in 2014

Delmonico, who was acquired last season in the K-Rod trade with Baltimore, has only recently returned to the diamond after dealing with personal issues. A left handed hitter, Delmonico has shown good power and the ability to take walks in his career. He hasn't, however, hit for a high average (career .242 in the minors) and strikes out at a fairly high rate (roughly 24% of ABs). Scouts are divided about Delmonico's ability to stay at 3B, meaning a trip across the diamond may be in order down the road.

 

#14 - David Denson, 1B, Wisconsin (A-), age 19.

120 pts - 17 of 22 ballots

.241 BA, .374 OBP, .361 SLG, .735 OPS - 23BB, 34K

A 15th round pick in last year's draft, Denson is a classic big bodied slugger. At 6'3" and 250+ pounds, Denson projects as a 3TO type player. He's a poor fielder who is going to walk a lot, strikeout a lot and hit home runs. He struggled in April after jumping all the way to Wisconsin, but has had a nice May. Because of his power potential, Denson should be one of the more intriguing Brewer prospects to keep an eye on.

 

#15 - Tyler Cravy, RHP, Huntsville (AA), Age 24

118 pts - 16 of 22 ballots

49.1 IP, 9BB, 44K, 1.82 ERA, 0.811 WHIP

After struggling his first few years as a professional, Cravy began to 'figure it out' in 2012 at Wisconsin. He has since built on a successful 2013 (2.04 ERA at Brevard County) by breaking out this year at AA Huntsville. Tyler's numbers (1.82 ERA, 0.811 WHIP) have turned heads. For the first time, Brewer fans are seeing him as a potential major league arm - perhaps even as a starter.

 

#16 - Jorge Lopez, RHP, Brevard County (A+), age 21.

112 pts - 14 of 22 ballots

46 IP, 14 BB, 39K, 3.72 ERA, 1.283 WHIP

A 2nd round pick out of Puerto Rico in 2011, Lopez has slowly worked his way up the minor league ladder learning the nuances of the game. The results have been middling, at best, until this year, when Lopez appears to be putting it all together. He's limiting his walks, increasing his strikeouts and avoiding giving up the long ball. The result is a respectable 3.72 ERA. Keep in mind that Lopez is still very young - having just turned 21 a few months ago. He's tall and still needs to mature physically - offering lots of upside.

 

#17 - David Goforth, RHP, Huntsville (AA), age 25.

82 pts - 10 of 22 ballots

24.1 IP, 12BB, 15K, 3.33 ERA, 1.270 WHIP, 11 Saves

Goforth is the only relief pitcher on our Top 20 list. Despite a strong arm, he has never been a big strikeout pitcher. He doesn't have a wide arsenal of pitches, meaning he profiles as a bullpen arm. Don't be surprised to see him bumped to AAA at some point in 2014.

 

#18 - Tyler Wagner, RHP, Brevard County (A+), age 23.

72 pts - 12 of 22 ballots

51 IP, 18BB, 33K, 1.76 ERA, 1.216 WHIP

After a solid 2013 at Wisconsin, Wagner has continued to improve on his jump to high A ball. He doesn't strikeout a lot of batters, but he is limiting walks and hits this year. The result is a stellar 1.76 ERA for 2014. Wagner has improved each year since he was drafted in the 4th round in 2012.

 

#19 - Chris McFarland, 2B, Wisconsin (A-), age 21

71 pts - 13 of 22 ballots

.269 BA, .335 OBP, .468 SLG, .803 OPS - 15 SB

McFarland has jumped onto the BF.net radar with a strong second go around at Wisconsin in 2014. The right handed hitting 2B has shown speed and improved power, but still strikes out too much (41K in 41 games). NOTE: McFarland was placed on the DL on May 22.

 

#20 - Brent Suter, LHP, Huntsville (AA), age 24.

69 pts - 10 of 22 ballots

55 IP, 13 BB, 47K, 1.96 ERA, 0.927 WHIP

Harvard educated Suter has flourished in 2014 after two years of solid, if unspectacular, performances since being a 31st round pick in 2012. Suter's excellent numbers against advanced competition have vaulted him into top 20 prospect status for BF.net users.

 

The Rest

 

Ariel Pena - 54 pts

Hobbs Johnson - 43 pts

Drew Gagnon - 41 pts

Damien Magnifico - 39 pts

Taylor Williams - 33 pts

Jason Rogers - 32 pts

Johnny Hellweg - 26 pts

Nick Ramirez - 25 pts

Franly Mallen - 20 pts

Jose Pena - 17 pts

Shawn Zarraga - 14 pts

Adam Weisenberger - 13 pts

Hiram Burgos - 10 pts

Nicholas Pierre - 7 pts

Casey Medlen - 2 pts

Micheal Ratterree - 2 pts

D' Vontrey Richardson - 2 pts

Yadiel Rivera - 2 pts

Zach Quintana - 1 pts

Jacob Barnes - 1 pts

Omar Garcia - 1 pts

Brooks Hall - 1 pts

[reillymcshane]

I want to thank everyone who submitted their Top 20 Prospect List for our community project. Perhaps a Mod can pin it to the top of the minor league forum if we find it worthy.

 

We had 22 submissions (I only used lists that had the full 20 players so results wouldn't skew). 42 players were named.

 

For the top 20 players, I wrote up a brief summary of things I thought were important - interesting stats, news, etc. If anyone sees anything wrong in these write ups, please let me know and I’ll update. I tried to keep the information pretty neutral, but my opinions probably slip in at times. Forgive me if anyone disagrees with any analysis.

 

The list was interesting to compile. I think it will be cool to do a new one later this summer.

 

Highlights of this Top 20 list include:

 

- Nelson, Taylor and Coulter were pretty clearly the top picks, with Nelson being the overwhelming #1. Only these three received #1 selections by BF.net fans.

 

- Former #1 picks Jungmann and Bradley have rebounded in the eyes of fans. Both made the top 10 - something many would have doubted prior to the season.

 

- BF.net fans went with upside, meaning a guys like Devin Williams and Tucker Neuhaus have lofty spots on our list. Also, players like Roache - despite his struggles - remain high on peoples' lists.

 

- Johnny Hellweg fell all the way down to 27th after recently undergoing TJ surgery.

 

- Only five players made it on all the lists (Nelson, Taylor, Coulter, Jungmann and Roache).

 

- 10 players showed up only on one list.

 

- Two signees from Latin America from last summer, Franly Mallen and Nicholas Pierre, made it on a list or two.

 

- Jason Rogers, the Brewers 2013 Minor League Hitter of the Year, has found little love this year. He ranks 26th due to a mediocre season while playing 3B at Huntsville.

 

- Special shout out to Zach Quintana, Jacob Barnes, Brooks Hall and Omar Garcia, who each got 1 total point (one vote in the 20th spot), making them all Mr. Irrelevant.

[igor67]

Now that we have a list we can critique our performance. I think Ariel Pena is too high. You need to be able to find the strike zone by time you get to AAA in your mid 20's. Every once in awhile a guy like that figures it out super late, but I'd rather take a less toolsy guy who is performing well at AAA or AA like our catchers or a younger guy with the tools like Magnifico or Jose Pena. My biggest sign for improvement in the system is that I can point to a number of players outside the top 20 that I think have solid cases for moving up, but there are not a lot of good arguments for moving guys in the top 20 out.

[TheCrew07]

Thanks for taking the time to put this together reillymcshane!

[TooLiveBrew]

Thanks for taking the time to put this together reillymcshane!

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Really great write-ups for each guy in the Top 20. Above & beyond the call of duty!

[HiAndTight]

Now that we have a list we can critique our performance. I think Ariel Pena is too high. You need to be able to find the strike zone by time you get to AAA in your mid 20's. Every once in awhile a guy like that figures it out super late, but I'd rather take a less toolsy guy who is performing well at AAA or AA like our catchers or a younger guy with the tools like Magnifico or Jose Pena. My biggest sign for improvement in the system is that I can point to a number of players outside the top 20 that I think have solid cases for moving up, but there are not a lot of good arguments for moving guys in the top 20 out.

 

 

Yeah, he might be. But he's also a guy who's had some success and he has a great arm, and the talent to be a closer. 21st? That seems reasonable to me.

 

I'm a little surprised that Magnifico wasn't a little higher rated, but he's still a pretty one trick pony type of guy.

[gregmag]

Fantastic job, RMS! Somehow I missed that this was happening; sorry not to have done my part.

 

I agree with Igor's general sense of the system. In particular, we're suddenly swimming in arms worth talking about, which is all kinds of great. You also have to love Coulter and our BC position guys, many of whom should benefit from getting out of the FSL (even though they're dropping like flies right now).

 

Overall a lot more guys have blossomed this year than crashed. The only top guys who seem marginal to me are Morris, who needs to replace Overbay soon if he's going to matter in this organization, and Haniger, who isn't young and is doing nothing encouraging.

 

I don't understand Taylor Green's career. I just don't get it.

[BrewersAA]

Okay, tried posting this yesterday but my wife interrupted me and I never got to it....

 

Excellent list, great community, lots of knowledge, and most importantly it's a great write up!! Excellent work, well done!

 

Now, since I didn't put in my own list let me critique you all's ;-) . This is back to being almost as fun as the power 50 days when there were 60+ guys that all seemed to have a big league future! I can't argue with the top 10 necessarily but mine would be different. I think as a community we are weighted just a tad to the 'potential' side. I think that's a product of having a weaker system the last few years where our top few picks are generally instantly our top few prospects, I don't believe that's true anymore with the current depth but our list seems to reflect that. On my list I wouldn't be able to keep hellweg and Wagner out of the top ten and and there's no way gagnon isn't in the top twenty. Also I just can't buy denson being ahead of Lopez, both still have equally as much room to develop, Lopez has the higher ceiling and is further along, I know he's older but he still has quite a bit of projection left. I am very surprised that Barrett astin didn't get a single vote and I think Johnny Davis needs to at least be in The just off category due to his young 'baseball age". On the other side of the coin I am VERY surprised that Brandon Diaz didn't get a single vote, especially with the lean toward potential on the list, high school CFer that got off to an excellent start (out of sight out of mind maybe). I also think Ortega is getting close to prospect status he's 20 in the Midwest league and seems to be finding his bat, he has a great frame too.

 

In the what could have been category the guys with the fanfare are rodon and covey, but not getting buck farmer signed is looking tough right now, he is killing it. Maxell smith is also off to a pretty good looking career. And for a reliever Steven okert is also dominating.

 

Love the write up again!! Thanks for the work!!

[FVBrewerFan]

Thanks for taking the time to do this Reilly. First reaction is wow, what a difference between this list and the top top 20 when I first found this site. (Early in the minor league careers of Fielder, Weeks, Hardy, etc.)

[reillymcshane]

I'm pleased people have enjoyed the list. I had a good time putting it together and learned a lot.

 

I was hoping to put together a list that anyone could stumble upon and actually learn about the players, what makes them special (or not), etc. A list of 20 names is just kind of boring - and doesn't educate or inform in any great detail.

 

I'm happy to do this again in a couple of months.

[Bombers]

I'm pleased people have enjoyed the list. I had a good time putting it together and learned a lot.

 

I was hoping to put together a list that anyone could stumble upon and actually learn about the players, what makes them special (or not), etc. A list of 20 names is just kind of boring - and doesn't educate or inform in any great detail.

 

I'm happy to do this again in a couple of months.

Great! As everyone else has said - awesome work! And I would love to see another one in a few months when the 2014 is close to a wrap

[fondybrewfan]

Perhaps we could expand it to 30 after the June draft and after the short season has started. It was pretty hard leaving a couple guys off and if we add some nice talent later this week I could pretty easily put a top 30 together.

 

I already think Cravy and Lopez might be a little to low on the list already; Roache is probably too high

[FVBrewerFan]

Surprised Ratterree didn't get a lot more votes, but the way he's coming on I expect he will make the next round. Plus, after the draft we should see a new name or two on the list. Also, looking for a bat in Huntsville to step out of the pack. Not much separation between Haniger/Rogers/Richadson/Davis, would love to see Haniger get real hot and show us he's the stud so many people seem to think he is.

[TheCrew07]

I'm not sure if you read the Nashville summary from yesterday's LR but Ratterree leads the entire organization in strike outs with 78 in 55 games. Last year he had 72 in 65 games at Helena, his hit tool is hard for me to get a handle on... he watches so many strike 3s...

[BallFour]

I feel like we should do one at the end of July, that way short season has had a decent sample size and we can add a couple of our draft picks hopefully! And then obviously do one after the season is over. Just my 2 cents. I think 20 is a good number but I would still do one if you guys wanted to expand it.

[igor67]

I'd definitely argue for expanding the vote to 25 or 30, which would probably get us close to the old Power 50 and probably give us a better ranking in the 15-30 range. The guys who make it or don't in that range tended to be based on making it on to a few ballots with a larger ballot most of them would make it somewhere on a persons list.

[reillymcshane]

I'm thinking we do another update in early August. Let the trade deadline pass, let the young guys start playing.

 

We can consider making the list bigger. My biggest concern is that some people will not participate because they don't know enough about the lower end players. But we can see how things look. Perhaps a top 25 might work.

[BallFour]

I'm thinking we do another update in early August. Let the trade deadline pass, let the young guys start playing.

 

Good call definitely should do one right after the deadline. Also would agree that going past 25 might be too big.

[HiAndTight]

I feel like we should do one at the end of July, that way short season has had a decent sample size and we can add a couple of our draft picks hopefully! And then obviously do one after the season is over. Just my 2 cents. I think 20 is a good number but I would still do one if you guys wanted to expand it.

 

 

Absolutely. How much better could this list look with Kodi, Gatewood and Harrison on the list, not to mention Parra(assuming he signs and I have no reason to believe he won't at this point). That is 4 potential elite prospects...insomuch as one can call a 16 year old and three 18 year old players who have yet to play a professional inning elite prospects, but all the same, those 4 could make this a lot more interesting. Plus, we get to see a few starts from last years pick Devin Williams.

 

Someone said that we could be one really good draft away from having a top farm system again, and while Crew07 pointed out, you can't do that in one draft, but the young talent we're adding has the potential to at least really give this system one helluva lift. Add in all the other guys who continue to improve and I'm feeling pretty damn good about the direction the Brewers are heading at this point.

[igor67]

As much as anything else the improvement is a direct result of having almost no one ready to graduate this year outside of Nelson. Last year represented a nadir because of the combination of so many guys who hadn't had much of a chance to perform from the last 2 drafts and the almost complete clearing out of the top 2 levels last year with all the injuries to the team.

[HiAndTight]

As much as anything else the improvement is a direct result of having almost no one ready to graduate this year outside of Nelson. Last year represented a nadir because of the combination of so many guys who hadn't had much of a chance to perform from the last 2 drafts and the almost complete clearing out of the top 2 levels last year with all the injuries to the team.

 

Yes, last year was a low point, and we did clear out the upper levels, but I think you're discounting the performances of some of our young players a bit in this assestment. Coulter IMO will be a top 100 prospect, perhaps a top 50 if he continues to progress, Arcia could be on the threshold, Taylor may be rated a big lower, but most on here agree he's our 2nd best prospect. But it's the depth of the guys who are producing. Bradley, Jungman, Crazy, Magnifico among several others are taking steps forward. We haven't had many guys regress this year.

[CheezWizHed]

I'm thinking we do another update in early August. Let the trade deadline pass, let the young guys start playing.

 

We can consider making the list bigger. My biggest concern is that some people will not participate because they don't know enough about the lower end players. But we can see how things look. Perhaps a top 25 might work.

 

If you rate everyone's #1 pick at 50 points, #2 at 49, etc..., people can do 20, 25, or 50 without messing up the rankings. That was how I did it a few years back. The only real negative is that people that that rank all 50 have a pretty heavy influence on the tail end.

[reillymcshane]

I'm thinking we do another update in early August. Let the trade deadline pass, let the young guys start playing.

 

We can consider making the list bigger. My biggest concern is that some people will not participate because they don't know enough about the lower end players. But we can see how things look. Perhaps a top 25 might work.

 

If you rate everyone's #1 pick at 50 points, #2 at 49, etc..., people can do 20, 25, or 50 without messing up the rankings. That was how I did it a few years back. The only real negative is that people that that rank all 50 have a pretty heavy influence on the tail end.

The problem with this is that you need to have everyone fill out a complete ballot to avoid skewed results. To allow people to not vote for all 50 players (or whatever number we ask for) probably wouldn't affect your top 10ish list, but it can skew results in the mid/lower levels.

 

Example, assuming you start at 50 points for the top slot, if PlayerA is on three lists at 18 (33 pts) , 19 (32 pts), and 20 (31 pts) - their total is 96 points.

 

If PlayerB comes in at 15 (36 pts), 16 (35 pts) and 21 (30 pts), his total is 101. PlayerB is the higher ranked prospect.

 

But let's say the third list stopped at 20 people - then PlayerB doesn't get the 30 points. It's now a zero. He's now at 71 points. Your results have been skewed.

 

You need to ask for a number and require everyone to fill out that number for an accurate list. This is especially true when you have a limited number of ballots.

[DoubleSwitch]

Not that this needs to be super complicated, but as long as were talking about it...

 

Would scoring guys based on points/ballots solve the skewing problem? To use your example player B would rank ahead of player A with 35.5 points vs 32 in the 2 ballot situation and 33.67 to 32 in the 3 ballot situation. I'm not much of a mathematician so i don't know if this would cause another problem.

 

EDIT: yeah that would cause a problem for a player ranked really high on one or two ballots and unranked on everyone elses, but there is probably some way to do a sanity check.

[CheezWizHed]

Yes, that is what I meant by people filling out the full P50 have greater influence on the tail end.

 

Also rememeber, this isn't a scientific poll. Its for fun. Trying to make things easy and increase participation is probably more important than figuring out if Player A that is ranked at #25 should really be #24.

 

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good enough.