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Trade partner - Tampa Bay Rays [Latest -- rumored ask for David Price: Nelson, Thornburg, & Coulter (post #94)]

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At best he's a #3 pitcher. Those can be replaced easily.

 

1. I think he can be better than a 3.

 

2. Can he be easily replaced by someone else making the league minimum for 3 years?

 

At this point he's a 5. There are hundreds of guys in baseball that are making league minimum for several years. Nelson has the potential to be a #3, but he hasn't reached it yet. For me that's not good enough. If the Brewers have a chance to pick up an elite and proven SP than do it. This is the important part of the year. The team's rivals are on the verge of improving big time. Brew Crew can't get left behind...

Hundreds of SPs in MLB that will give you a 4-ish ERA or better at league mininum? Not even close.

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At this point he's a 5. There are hundreds of guys in baseball that are making league minimum for several years. Nelson has the potential to be a #3, but he hasn't reached it yet. For me that's not good enough. If the Brewers have a chance to pick up an elite and proven SP than do it. This is the important part of the year. The team's rivals are on the verge of improving big time. Brew Crew can't get left behind...

Hundreds of SPs in MLB that will give you a 4-ish ERA or better at league mininum? Not even close.

Not literally hundreds, but there are a lot of guys in MLB that can give you an era around 4.

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You know if you combine coulters value and Thornburg's vale together you get 2 top SP prospects when added with Nelson, right? Which btw is exactly what the Brewers need.

 

So an injured reliever and an A ball catcher with a good looking bat, but questionable defense, will net you 2 top SP prospects?

 

In the off-season, yes. Thornburg is a very good pitching and in my opinion he's better than Nelson.

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Not for league-min. salary for 3 full seasons there aren't... which was trwi7's point.

 

Splitting hairs but Nelson will be league minimum for 2 full seasons at ths point prior to arbitration.

are you assuming he'll qualify as a Super Two?
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Nelson won't qualify for Super 2. He'll have 3 full years yet before arby. That's part of the reason we waited as long as we did.

 

Nelson isn't a 5. If he's pitching like a 5, call him a 5, sure. It would have been fair a year ago to call Peralta a 5 with #1/#2 potential. But not everyone struggles like a 5 out of the gate before putting it together. Can't assume that Nelson won't yet, but unfair to assume he will.

 

Gallardo was more or less a #2 from day 1 and has been his entire career.

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Price will be a Brewer by the end of the trade deadline.

 

 

 

You need to stop doing this to yourself. You've already made a lot of guarantees that....at least seem outrageous. Ie, the Brewers will be 10 games in front of STL by the ASB, top players won't become Free Agents anymore, especially pitchers(like Jon Lester, Max Scherzer for example) and now we're absolutely going to get Price by 3 today.

 

There are others, but I'm just saying, it's like loading the executioners guns for them before putting on the blindfold.

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if the Brewers trade for Price, regardless of what they give up, if I'm a reporter the first question I'd ask Melvin is why the heck do you wait until after facing Price to try and make a deal?

 

With all the trades STL is making, it's hard not seeing the Pirates get desperate and offer the Rays a pile of quality prospects/young players for him that the Brewers' system can't compete with...IMO, that would actually be a good thing for the Brewers longterm.

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At best he's a #3 pitcher. Those can be replaced easily.

 

1. I think he can be better than a 3.

 

2. Can he be easily replaced by someone else making the league minimum for 3 years?

 

At this point he's a 5. There are hundreds of guys in baseball that are making league minimum for several years. Nelson has the potential to be a #3, but he hasn't reached it yet. For me that's not good enough. If the Brewers have a chance to pick up an elite and proven SP than do it. This is the important part of the year. The team's rivals are on the verge of improving big time. Brew Crew can't get left behind...

 

Why is his ceiling only a #3? He throws in the mid 90's, has a ton of movement and a very heavy fastball and a nasty slider.

 

He has the ability to become at least a #2 and if he is the rare type of pitcher who's command, not just control, really improves, he absolutely could become an ace.

 

And what rival is on the verge of "improving big time?" John Lackey and Justin Masterson don't scream "vast improvements," to me. In fact, I love that the Cards gave up Craig while dealing with his foot injury AND Joe Kelly for John Lackey. I don't believe either of the additions the Cardinals made are improvements over any of our 5 starters. More proven perhaps. But that's about it.

 

Peralta's ceiling is that of an ace, and what does he have over Nelson? Another tick on his FB, but otherwise very similar pitchers.

 

I get wanting the ace, but don't diminish the players we've got in order to do so. If you can put up a 8.5-9.0 K/9 ratio and rack up the GB's, you can be an ace IMO.

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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/rays-expected-to-trade-david-price.html

 

1:33pm: The Cardinals may also still be involved on Price, per Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (via Twitter). His source indicates that the Cards, along with the Tigers and Mariners, are the final possible suitors.

 

I certainly hope the Cards do not get him. Wain, Lynn, Lackey, Price for not only this year but next year too? ... no, no, no and NO!

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Can a package of Khris Davis, Tyler Thornburg, Clint Coulter, Tyrone Taylor and Tyler Wagner be enough for Price and Zobrist?

 

It just feels like the trade for Parra was the first domino for something much bigger.

 

No. That wouldn't get just Price.

 

If we were going to land Price, it seems something like Nelson, Davis or Gennett, and a decent prospect like Coulter/Arcia/Taylor would be the minimum bid.

 

If we wanted to add Zobrist, probably something like Nelson, Gennett, Thornburg, and probably two of Coulter/Arcia/Taylor

 

That said, if the Rays have decided to trade Price, it's probably because other teams' offers have increased, which would probably put the Brewers out of the running for him.

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