2014-04-14 Cardinals (Lynn) at Brewers (Garza), 7:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-0]

[yfinn6]

late to the party, but is is accurate for me to assume the combination of the Brewers being overly aggressive swinging at balls and Davidson's notoriously horrible strike zone are playing equally big parts of striking out 12 times in 8 innings of ABs?

 

Actually they failed to go the other way with the ball and pulled everything. That's why.

 

How can you tell that based on following along online?

 

Combination of over-swinging, chasing bad pitches with over-aggressivness, and Davidson's strike zone is as wide as a smart car. It was the trifecta of crap.

[Schlitz001]

Davidson's strike zone was hurt the Cardinals as much as the Brewers. Lynn just went after the Brewers with his fastball and it worked.

[PrinceFielderx1]

It just seemed like Lynn knew how the exploit the Brewers' weaknesses--as usual.

 

Yup, and they will keep beating us by pitching us away every time. You'd think the Brewers would learn.

[PrinceFielderx1]

late to the party, but is is accurate for me to assume the combination of the Brewers being overly aggressive swinging at balls and Davidson's notoriously horrible strike zone are playing equally big parts of striking out 12 times in 8 innings of ABs?

 

Actually they failed to go the other way with the ball and pulled everything. That's why.

 

How can you tell that based on following along online?

 

Combination of over-swinging, chasing bad pitches with over-aggressivness, and Davidson's strike zone is as wide as a smart car. It was the trifecta of crap.

 

I know this team well enough to know that they were trying to pull outside fastballs. You can expect it every game. Also, pitch p/f is pretty accurate. These guys can square up on most fastballs even away, but not when pulling hence all the k's

[yfinn6]

If they were trying to pull everything they would have rolled over a lot more grounders. They were swinging at a lot of borderline pitches and being over-aggressive, in my opinion. Lynn was just one point with his fastball and no one could square it up. It happens.

[trwi7]

I know this team well enough to know that they were trying to pull outside fastballs. You can expect it every game. Also, pitch p/f is pretty accurate. These guys can square up on most fastballs even away, but not when pulling

 

It's amazing the Brewers haven't hired you yet.

[PrinceFielderx1]

If they were trying to pull everything they would have rolled over a lot more grounders. They were swinging at a lot of borderline pitches and being over-aggressive, in my opinion. Lynn was just one point with his fastball and no one could square it up. It happens.

 

No this is a pattern with the Cards and Brewers and why the Cards own us, and it's because they are smarter. Their pitchers live on the outside corners all game long no matter who is pitching. I saw it this game and every Cardinals game. They also have great control, so they don't miss much and the Brewers hit their homeruns off of mistakes. Take mistakes out of the game you eliminate the Brewers main method of scoring, home runs. That means the Brewers need back to back to back hits to score runs vs the Cards, and the only way that will happen is if you go the other way so often vs the Cards that you force them to pitching you inside and that's the number 1 place where a pitcher will make a mistake and the ball tends to get to much of the plate and ends up in the wheelhouse of the batter.

 

The sooner the Brewers realize this and make this their game plan heading into EVERY cards game they will continue to get owned by them.

[PrinceFielderx1]

I know this team well enough to know that they were trying to pull outside fastballs. You can expect it every game. Also, pitch p/f is pretty accurate. These guys can square up on most fastballs even away, but not when pulling

 

It's amazing the Brewers haven't hired you yet.

 

They should hire me part time only Vs the Cards. the Cards are the only team smart enough and good enough to do this to the Brewers, and the Brewers are too stupid to adjust if only vs the Cards. If you are going to adjust you do it vs the Cards.

[yfinn6]

If they were trying to pull everything they would have rolled over a lot more grounders. They were swinging at a lot of borderline pitches and being over-aggressive, in my opinion. Lynn was just one point with his fastball and no one could square it up. It happens.

 

No this is a pattern with the Cards and Brewers and why the Cards own us, and it's because they are smarter. Their pitchers live on the outside corners all game long no matter who is pitching. I saw it this game and every Cardinals game. They also have great control, so they don't miss much and the Brewers hit their homeruns off of mistakes. Take mistakes out of the game you eliminate the Brewers main method of scoring, home runs. That means the Brewers need back to back to back hits to score runs vs the Cards, and the only way that will happen is if you go the other way so often vs the Cards that you force them to pitching you inside and that's the number 1 place where a pitcher will make a mistake and the ball tends to get to much of the plate and ends up in the wheelhouse of the batter.

 

The sooner the Brewers realize this and make this their game plan heading into EVERY cards game they will continue to get owned by them.

 

You realize this is basically the strategy of every team when they're in the field, right? Make the other team beat you with consecutive hits. Most of the time mistake pitches are hit hard and a lot of teams hit most of their HR from mistake pitches. Sometimes a HR comes from a good pitch and there's nothing the pitcher can do.

 

That's why walks are so detrimental. What, did Lynn walk 1 batter tonight and the next batter (Gennett) was called out on strikes. Lynn didn't make mistakes but he wasn't in much of a worry of doing so because of that one walk and the Brewer hitters were either getting themselves out by swinging early and often or just swinging right through pitches. It was almost if they were behind every fastball Lynn threw.

[PrinceFielderx1]

If they were trying to pull everything they would have rolled over a lot more grounders. They were swinging at a lot of borderline pitches and being over-aggressive, in my opinion. Lynn was just one point with his fastball and no one could square it up. It happens.

 

No this is a pattern with the Cards and Brewers and why the Cards own us, and it's because they are smarter. Their pitchers live on the outside corners all game long no matter who is pitching. I saw it this game and every Cardinals game. They also have great control, so they don't miss much and the Brewers hit their homeruns off of mistakes. Take mistakes out of the game you eliminate the Brewers main method of scoring, home runs. That means the Brewers need back to back to back hits to score runs vs the Cards, and the only way that will happen is if you go the other way so often vs the Cards that you force them to pitching you inside and that's the number 1 place where a pitcher will make a mistake and the ball tends to get to much of the plate and ends up in the wheelhouse of the batter.

 

The sooner the Brewers realize this and make this their game plan heading into EVERY cards game they will continue to get owned by them.

 

You realize this is basically the strategy of every team when they're in the field, right? Make the other team beat you with consecutive hits. Most of the time mistake pitches are hit hard and a lot of teams hit most of their HR from mistake pitches. Sometimes a HR comes from a good pitch and there's nothing the pitcher can do.

 

That's why walks are so detrimental. What, did Lynn walk 1 batter tonight and the next batter (Gennett) was called out on strikes. Lynn didn't make mistakes but he wasn't in much of a worry of doing so because of that one walk and the Brewer hitters were either getting themselves out by swinging early and often or just swinging right through pitches. It was almost if they were behind every fastball Lynn threw.

 

No.

 

Lynn didn't make any mistake, because his best pitch is his fastball, which he can located just like most of the other Cards pitchers, and it's pretty hard to screw up and make a mistake over the plate when you are working the batters away, then more away, then more away, because when the Brewers see a fastball they have to swing no matter where it's located.

 

Here is the typical pitch sequence for the Cards vs the Brewers. Keep in mind the Brewers pull fastballs 90+% of the time.

Fastball away of center of the plate for a strike

Fastball on the corner further away than the first pitch

Count is an automatic 0-2 at this point

Pitcher throws a fastball on the corner in the same spot or further away Brewers batter has to be aggressive and will likely pull it and miss it completely for a SO OR the other option on 0-2 is to keep throwing sliders away till they eventually swing, because you as a pitcher facing the Brewers know they will.

 

How many 0-2/1-2 counts did Lynn have tonight? A lot. AND how many times did the Brewers SO? A lot. It was set up by the fastballs away. That was a designed plan by the Cards and the Brewers totally gave into it.

 

the Cards IMO hvae the best and smartest pitchers in baseball. This is why I separate them from everybody else. the hitter has to be just as smart when facing them.

[TURBO]

dude...

 

Nah, forget it...

[stoutdude04]

Most teams try to pitch away. It's not just the Cards.

 

Lance Lynn Pitching Hot Zones.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/hotzones/_/id/30820/lance-lynn

 

Garza Hot Zones

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/hotzones/_/id/28528/matt-garza

[PrinceFielderx1]

Most teams try to pitch away. It's not just the Cards.

 

Lance Lynn Pitching Hot Zones.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/hotzones/_/id/30820/lance-lynn

 

Garza Hot Zones

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/hotzones/_/id/28528/matt-garza

 

That wasn't the point. The Cards are the best at pitching away, therefore a team like the Brewers needs to completely abandon pulling the baseball and drive the outside pitches the other way, which they refuse to do and as a result they get owned.

[brewcrewdue80]

late to the party, but is is accurate for me to assume the combination of the Brewers being overly aggressive swinging at balls and Davidson's notoriously horrible strike zone are playing equally big parts of striking out 12 times in 8 innings of ABs?

 

Actually they failed to go the other way with the ball and pulled everything. That's why.

 

Segura's hits I'm pretty sure were opposite way and 1 of his groundouts. I didn't see the game just gameday. You said in the 9th all 3batters would K or pull a grounder, well ARam and Lucroy hit it to dead center field, and they weren't the only outs I seen to straight away when the ball was put in play.

 

It's a bit frustrating to read your posts condemning the team over and over for being pull hitters, you didn't see the game and see their approach. But the fact Segura put the Ball in Play 3 times to the opposite field alone would tell me that a bit of the ABs were trying to go the opposite way. Since Segura's season has been pretty much ground out to SS on his outs.

 

What's even better is you're moaning at them for not going the opposite direction yet other posts were they are swinging and missing on some pretty fat left up the middle of the plate Fastballs. So what is it? Lynn pinpoints the outside corner or the Brewers batters missed fat pitches up over the middle of the plate/ let a number of them go by looking?

I'm as confused as I'm sure the batters were last night on what was a strike or a ball.