Trade with Arizona?

[Kelbysdaddy]

Arizona seems kinda desperate for a starter with Corbin out and them not wanting to start Archies clock. They are shopping didi but that's not something we'd need right now. After signing Garza, not that we have a surplus of great pitching, we have a couple guys that could very well be major league starters that will be in AAA. Could Thornburg or Fiers be a target for them? Getting a guy like Jake Lamb would be a pretty nice return for either of them.

[jerichoholicninja]

I don't think they would want Thornburg or Fiers. They would be a #7 or #8 starter for them. The Brewers could get a little outside the box and trade Estrada or Gallardo for Didi and play him at second. But that's not going to happen.

[JohnBriggs12]

Arizona's problem is they lost arguably their best starter. They have 5 guys who can be decent but none are aces. I don't think they were a serious contender before Corbin got hurt. Now if they wanted to talk Martin Prado for a Brewer pitcher, that would be worth considering. Maybe Reynolds and Estrada for Prado? Reynolds had big years there playing 3B. Prado would solve the Brewer 1B question in 2014 and be the heir apparent to Ramirez at 3B for 2015 and 2016.

[TURBO]

I keep seeing Reynolds brought up in trade scenarios... Why on earth would anyone trade for him when they could have had him for free?

[craigharmann]

Goldschmidt for Hellweg. Get it done DM!!

[sheetskout]

I don't think they would want Thornburg or Fiers. They would be a #7 or #8 starter for them. The Brewers could get a little outside the box and trade Estrada or Gallardo for Didi and play him at second. But that's not going to happen.

 

I'm not sure this would ever happen. Didi Gregorious is a better fielder than Jean Segura.

[monty57]

This would be a great situation if we were looking beyond this year, but not when we're "going for it." We could use some MLB pieces to pry Bradley and Didi away, Arizona raises their chance to compete this season, and while we take a step back at the MLB level this season, we're set with two young studs for the next six years. It'll never happen, but it's the type thing we need to do if we want an ace in the foreseeable future.

[JohnBriggs12]

I keep seeing Reynolds brought up in trade scenarios... Why on earth would anyone trade for him when they could have had him for free?

 

Arizona had no need for Reynolds because they have Prado and Goldschmidt at the corners. However if they really wanted a Brewer starter bad enough, I'd ask them for Prado and offer them Reynolds as part of the deal to fill their new hole at 3B.

[reillymcshane]

I keep seeing Reynolds brought up in trade scenarios... Why on earth would anyone trade for him when they could have had him for free?

 

Arizona had no need for Reynolds because they have Prado and Goldschmidt at the corners. However if they really wanted a Brewer starter bad enough, I'd ask them for Prado and offer them Reynolds as part of the deal to fill their new hole at 3B.

Let's not forget that Arizona unloaded Reynolds a few years ago because they were tired of his bad defense, strikeouts and low BA.

[pete]

I can't really see a trade with Arizona. I just hope they don't send a nice prospect package for Somejarsofza.

[brewcrewdue80]

This would be a great situation if we were looking beyond this year, but not when we're "going for it." We could use some MLB pieces to pry Bradley and Didi away, Arizona raises their chance to compete this season, and while we take a step back at the MLB level this season, we're set with two young studs for the next six years. It'll never happen, but it's the type thing we need to do if we want an ace in the foreseeable future.

 

I don't think offering Braun or Gomez would pry Bradley from Arz. We argued the idea of Gomez for Bradley last season and for the most part the Bradley side was the winner. Bradley imo is untouchable aside from say offering up both Gomez and Braun for him. Maybe you offer Gomez and Lucroy for Bradley and Montero. Bradley isn't like Skaggs or Bauer where being an Ace was sorta the upside thought but so was being a #4 pitcher. With Bradley the hype is pretty much he's going to be an #1 Ace or bust if he performs as a #2/3.

 

Now, Didi. Yeah he's available. But how does he really fit for Milwaukee? He doesn't until we've unloaded Weeks first. My two cents.

 

We missed out on Davidson,Skaggs and Holmberg I think it was(Eaton too but we really don't need him) I think Arz has run out of trade pieces in prospects. Owings was the man but putting Didi on trade block shows Arz is moving forward with him on their team building not Didi. I imagine Didi will be used for a Prospect filler and/or a ML SP as time goes by if their options are struggling(Im not a real fan of Miley/McCarthy/Arroyo holding their own and even Cahill seems suspect. I much prefer the Brewers 5 SPs over Arizona's..At least until Bradley/Delgado/ establish themselves and Corbin returns in 2015.

[ebmackenzie]

Isn't it time to revisit this thread? Don't they have pieces that could be helpful later?? @Ken_Rosenthal seems to think that the yard sale is happening soon...

[dlk9s]

I'm thinking Overbay and Counsell for Richie Sexson.

[bill hAll Star]

I'd take Eric Chavez from them as a deeper bench option.

[HiAndTight]

I'd take Eric Chavez from them as a deeper bench option.

 

 

Chavez would be outstanding. Prado might be an even better option because of his versatility. But the D-backs would have to eat at least 11 million dollars of the remaining 22 owed in '15 and '16. That might be a deal breaker. But he could be our solution to 3rd base the next two years....although he's struggled just a bit this year.

[superfly]

I'd take Eric Chavez from them as a deeper bench option.

 

 

Chavez would be outstanding. Prado might be an even better option because of his versatility. But the D-backs would have to eat at least 11 million dollars of the remaining 22 owed in '15 and '16. That might be a deal breaker. But he could be our solution to 3rd base the next two years....although he's struggled just a bit this year.

 

Chavez can't even stay on the field...would you even be able to get 2 days a week out of him? He looks old and a shell of himself.

[HiAndTight]

Chavez can't even stay on the field...would you even be able to get 2 days a week out of him? He looks old and a shell of himself.

 

 

We're wouldn't be trading for Chavez to an everyday player. We'd be adding him to do what he's done the last couple years which is backup 1st and 3rd base.

 

And he hasn't been hurt this year, has put up a slash line of .277/.342/.483 with an OPS of .825 the last three years playing in about 240 games in that role.

 

If you want a really good left handed hitter who can play 1st and 3rd base and vastly improve our bench while paying about 1.7 million dollars for him, he's perfect.

I suppose the version of Eric Chavez that isn't a "shell of his former self," is Josh Donaldson. Though I don't see us being able to pry away a guy from the team with the best record in Baseball who's under team control through 2018 for any 2-3 players in our organization from the A's.

 

 

So a "gritty vet," who can actually produce, but who just needs to have his PT managed, seems ideal given our situation and the fact that the D-backs probably don't have much use for him.

[reillymcshane]

Chavez would have been a nice addition, but he hurt his knee a few days ago. No surgery required (yet), but when the guy says he heard a 'small pop' - that makes you worry. Especially with his injury history.

[reillymcshane]

Prado might be an even better option because of his versatility. But the D-backs would have to eat at least 11 million dollars of the remaining 22 owed in '15 and '16. That might be a deal breaker. But he could be our solution to 3rd base the next two years....although he's struggled just a bit this year.

 

Prado would be interesting because he would fill an organizational need beyond 2014. His numbers aren't very good this year, but he did the same thing in 2013. He had a .668 OPS prior to the all star break - then an .864 after the break. He's kind of been an up and down player throughout his career.

 

I haven't seen him play this year - don't know if he looks like he's lost something. He's only 30, but it's not unheard of for a guy to take at that age.

 

I wonder what it would take to get him. The team could take on more salary in exchange for lesser prospects.

[JohnBriggs12]

Prado makes a lot of sense. He's a solid player. I discount his numbers so far this year. They aren't all that bad. He's one of their core players though and it depends on whether or not they decide they need a complete rebuild or not. The Brewers wouldn't be the only team with interest in him, so I don't think he'll come all that cheap even with his salary.

[jerichoholicninja]

He's signed for 2 more years after 2014 at $11M each. Is that worth it? I don't know, I'm just curious what everyone else thinks.

[brewcrewdue80]

I don't know how Arizona can dump Prado after trading away Davidson. I think they committed to Prado at 3b and need to hang on to him til next season. The only 3b next in line in their minors is Jake Lamb in AA. That's a lot of pressure to pretty much put on him to be the 3b next season. Arizona isn't a team that is going to sell to rebuild they will have an eye on next season and Prado is a piece to keep.

 

Chavez would be the one they put on the trade market expendable piece. Aaron Hill would be a guy I see them try to move to play Didi at 2b and Owings at SS as well as save some payroll(guessing they send 4mil minimum per season to entice someone to pick up that dumb deal) But really they aren't a big team to pick from. Pitchers maybe but we're doing well there. Hill is a definite no. Chavez would be a bench guy but if you get him youre dumping Overbay and where's the real improvement there? I wouldn't offer Arizona a prospect with a C grade or better because you're looking at a minor if any upgrade on Overbay.

 

Just looking at their team right now I don't see a good trade fit when it's them selling us buying.

[superfly]

Chavez can't even stay on the field...would you even be able to get 2 days a week out of him? He looks old and a shell of himself.

 

 

We're wouldn't be trading for Chavez to an everyday player. We'd be adding him to do what he's done the last couple years which is backup 1st and 3rd base.

 

And he hasn't been hurt this year, has put up a slash line of .277/.342/.483 with an OPS of .825 the last three years playing in about 240 games in that role.

 

If you want a really good left handed hitter who can play 1st and 3rd base and vastly improve our bench while paying about 1.7 million dollars for him, he's perfect.

I suppose the version of Eric Chavez that isn't a "shell of his former self," is Josh Donaldson. Though I don't see us being able to pry away a guy from the team with the best record in Baseball who's under team control through 2018 for any 2-3 players in our organization from the A's.

 

 

So a "gritty vet," who can actually produce, but who just needs to have his PT managed, seems ideal given our situation and the fact that the D-backs probably don't have much use for him.

 

I was literally asking if we could get him on the field 2 days a week, not expecting him to play more than that. If he can be healthy i'm certainly not opposed to it, a healthy Chavez would be a great addition at the price.

 

And yes, he has been hurt most of the season.

 

Diamondbacks placed 3B Eric Chavez on the 15-day disabled list with a sprained left knee.

Chavez has been playing through the injury all season but had finally had enough. It's not clear at this point how long he'll be sidelined. Jun 9 - 7:04 PM

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/2690/eric-chavez

[endaround]

I don't know how Arizona can dump Prado after trading away Davidson. I think they committed to Prado at 3b and need to hang on to him til next season. The only 3b next in line in their minors is Jake Lamb in AA. That's a lot of pressure to pretty much put on him to be the 3b next season. Arizona isn't a team that is going to sell to rebuild they will have an eye on next season and Prado is a piece to keep.

 

Chavez would be the one they put on the trade market expendable piece. Aaron Hill would be a guy I see them try to move to play Didi at 2b and Owings at SS as well as save some payroll(guessing they send 4mil minimum per season to entice someone to pick up that dumb deal) But really they aren't a big team to pick from. Pitchers maybe but we're doing well there. Hill is a definite no. Chavez would be a bench guy but if you get him youre dumping Overbay and where's the real improvement there? I wouldn't offer Arizona a prospect with a C grade or better because you're looking at a minor if any upgrade on Overbay.

 

Just looking at their team right now I don't see a good trade fit when it's them selling us buying.

 

Chavez is a huge upgrade over Overbay. Chavez can actually hit.

[nate82]

I would rather have Hill or Prado over Chavez. Prado can play multiple positions and I would rather have Hill over Gennett and Weeks at 2B.