2014 lineup

[chewy522]

I don't love the move because Gomez's bat plays so well in the 5 or 6 slot, but the more I think about this the more I don't mind the move.

 

Even though Gomez doesn't have a great OBP, he is one of the teams better hitters and this will give him more AB's over the course of the year. I would not have minded Weeks batting lead-off to start the year considering his best skill is getting on base. So I guess my preference would have been Weeks, Segura 1-2. However, as said above, I would much rather have Gomez batting 1 instead of 2 so he is not asked to bunt as much.

 

I don't mind the quasi-sac bunt by Segura in the 2 hole. Puts a lot of pressure on the defense and we will probably see Gomez go from 1st to 3rd on some of these bunts, especially if the 3rd baseman fields it.

[brewcrewdue80]

I think he needs to improve a little more. I am thinking Gomez single/double...Segura bunt sac/single let Braun/Aram drive Gomez in is a sound strategy. You flip the roles and you just cant ask Gomez to bunt...Segura on the other hand....why not? less power, plenty of speed.

 

Why not? Because that's terrible strategy. Unless you think Segura is basically the equivalent of a pitcher with the bat.

 

I don't see it as terrible strategy when bunting can be effective when done in the right hands. And Segura I believe either lead the all of baseball...or at least in the top 3 last season when it came to infield hits. Think of what Gomez can do though on the basepaths to defenders...Okay you go and make a quick throw to 1st to nab Segura...Well great you didn't watch Gomez go from 1st to 3rd on the bunt...or say from 2nd all the way home because you didn't pay attention to him having to rush your throw in order for it to beat Segura at 1st.

 

You're also talking about the bunt idea putting Gomez in scoring position or at 3b with 0/1outs for Braun...an elite, elite hitter in baseball.

 

And this strategy doesn't have to be implemented in the 1st through 5th innings....We're talking when the score is tied/ or the team is down 1 you do this to better manufacture the 1 run you need. I would also think it's a good strategy vs. a premium pitcher with strong K ability who basically dominates Brewer hitters/all hitters in the game for that matter. Should Gomez get on base you play this small ball to sneak a run in against that type of pitcher.

[TooLiveBrew]

I don't see it as terrible strategy when bunting can be effective when done in the right hands. And Segura I believe either lead the all of baseball...or at least in the top 3 last season when it came to infield hits. Think of what Gomez can do though on the basepaths to defenders...Okay you go and make a quick throw to 1st to nab Segura...Well great you didn't watch Gomez go from 1st to 3rd on the bunt...or say from 2nd all the way home because you didn't pay attention to him having to rush your throw in order for it to beat Segura at 1st.

 

You're also talking about the bunt idea putting Gomez in scoring position or at 3b with 0/1outs for Braun...an elite, elite hitter in baseball.

 

And this strategy doesn't have to be implemented in the 1st through 5th innings....We're talking when the score is tied/ or the team is down 1 you do this to better manufacture the 1 run you need. I would also think it's a good strategy vs. a premium pitcher with strong K ability who basically dominates Brewer hitters/all hitters in the game for that matter. Should Gomez get on base you play this small ball to sneak a run in against that type of pitcher.

It's bad strategy. In the micro sense, it can work & be exciting. In the macro sense, you're giving away outs with what I feel is a very good hitter -- and one that is really good at putting the ball in play, which can also do the job of moving the runner to third with a 'productive out'. Installing the sac bunt as your default approach with a good hitter is hurting the team, not helping it.

[pete]

My opinion, mixing in bunts for hits good especially for Gomez. Segura seems to get enough nubbers and swinging bunts to largely fill his quota for me. Sac bunting at the top of the order like that, usually bad. I think even the standard of having pitchers always sac bunt with less than 2 outs is bad when you have guys like Gallardo on your team. Have them swing now and then.

 

With the new contract in hand, i'd guess there will be more bunts by the team than last season. I don't expect the contact play to be used less either. Maybe there should be an alternative thread of prop style bets like how many times will Schroeder say Get 'em on, get 'em over, get 'em in!

 

Hey quick tangent if its ok, does the MLB AtBat app radio broadcast sync up with the Fox broadcast? i'd like to get more Uecker while I still can and the time separation with broadcast radio is too jarring for me.

[Baldkin]

Typical short sighted Roenicke move. Put a low OBP guy hitting leadoff, because he's fast.

 

Instead of moving everyone up in the lineup to give our best hitters more PAs, just put a worse hitter in front of all of them.

 

Didn't we already try this with Gomez hitting 2nd in 2012, where it failed miserably?

[TooLiveBrew]

Hey quick tangent if its ok, does the MLB AtBat app radio broadcast sync up with the Fox broadcast? i'd like to get more Uecker while I still can and the time separation with broadcast radio is too jarring for me.

Nothing wrong with asking it here, but you might have better luck in the MLB.tv thread

 

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[DR28]

Might just be me but I really like our 1-5...

 

Gomez

Segura

Braun

Ramirez

Lucroy

 

Probably in the top 5 or 10 of MLB.

[Warning Track Power]

Now that we (likely) know all the players, and RR's set in stone #1 - #5 of Gomez, Segura, Braun, Ramirez, Lucroy...for #6 - #8 I would go:

 

vs. RHP

6. Davis

7. Scooter

8. Reynolds

 

vs. LHP

6. Weeks

7. Davis

8. Reynolds

 

I think you have to split Weeks and Reynolds, as they might strike their way out of innings.

[PrinceEatMeat]

I agree with those set ups. Seems like a likely scenario. I also hope that Overbay is batting 8th whenever he's in the lineup.

[chickinbrickin]

So it's now looking like...

 

Gomez

Segura

Braun

Ramirez

Lucroy

Weeks/Gennett

Davis

Reynolds/Overbay

 

6-8 will probably a bit different at times depending on who is in the lineup, but 1-5 is cemented.

 

Hate the Gomez in the leadoff spot call by RRR...

Who would you put leadoff, especially knowing RRR loves to bunt the 2nd guy, rather bunt Segura than Gomez, although I agree I hate putting a guy with 20 hr potential in the leadoff spot. But this team has no true leadoff guy or even close to it

 

I would bat Weeks leadoff. Weeks has always been a OBP guy and always did well in the leadoff spot. He would be my first choice with a short leash.

 

As Baldkin mentions the Gomez leading off in 2012 failed miserably. It wasn't until thick skull RRR finally dropped him in the order that he started to progress.

[sveumrules]

Since Gomez was terrible in 54 plate appearances leading off in 2012 means he will be terrible doing the same in 2014?

 

Batting 2nd in 2012 Gomez slashed 255/311/470 in 168 PA's. I'd maintain its irrelevant to any 2014 projection, but to say it failed miserably is not really accurate when he slashed 260/305/463 on the season.

 

Parsing the lineup is a lot of fun for fans but ultimately our 5 best hitters will likely be making the most trips to the plate and that is all that really matters.

[Baldkin]

Since Gomez was terrible in 54 plate appearances leading off in 2012 means he will be terrible doing the same in 2014?

 

Batting 2nd in 2012 Gomez slashed 255/311/470 in 168 PA's. I'd maintain its irrelevant to any 2014 projection, but to say it failed miserably is not really accurate when he slashed 260/305/463 on the season.

 

Parsing the lineup is a lot of fun for fans but ultimately our 5 best hitters will likely be making the most trips to the plate and that is all that really matters.

 

Yes, it failed miserably because putting a high SLG, Low OBP hitter at the top of the lineup is a bad idea. You want that guy hitting with men on base, not setting the table for your best hitters (because he doesn't set any sort of table). You want to put him 5th or 6th in the lineup.

 

My prediction: If Gomez hits leadoff all season, he will lead the league in outs.

[sveumrules]

League average OBP was .318 last year, so Gomez certainly was not a low OBP hitter in 2013. Only nine teams managed an OBP higher than Carlos's .338 from their leadoff spot in 2013 so his "low" OBP would have been higher than 20 teams received from their first batter.

 

The only people who realistically project to have higher OBPs in 2014 are Braun, Ramirez and Lucroy who are hitting 3, 4, 5. While I agree that Gomez is not the ideal leadoff hitter in a perfectly constructed lineup, in the context of the players available to the 2014 Milwaukee Brewers he is pretty much the best option we have.

 

My prediction: If Billy Hamilton hits leadoff all season, he will lead the league in outs.

[brewcrewdue80]

Since Gomez was terrible in 54 plate appearances leading off in 2012 means he will be terrible doing the same in 2014?

 

Batting 2nd in 2012 Gomez slashed 255/311/470 in 168 PA's. I'd maintain its irrelevant to any 2014 projection, but to say it failed miserably is not really accurate when he slashed 260/305/463 on the season.

 

Parsing the lineup is a lot of fun for fans but ultimately our 5 best hitters will likely be making the most trips to the plate and that is all that really matters.

 

Yes, it failed miserably because putting a high SLG, Low OBP hitter at the top of the lineup is a bad idea. You want that guy hitting with men on base, not setting the table for your best hitters (because he doesn't set any sort of table). You want to put him 5th or 6th in the lineup.

 

My prediction: If Gomez hits leadoff all season, he will lead the league in outs.

 

I think Yasiel Puig will take that title as Leadoff.

 

I liked what RRR said about the idea of Gomez leading off, a player of his caliber being locked in and taking advantage of when a SP isn't sharp early. Cranking HRs or powering leadoff doubles on the mistakes. Can Segura do that? The doubles sure but not the HRs, and Segura isn't exactly as "Locked in" as Gomez is at the plate, so you put Gomez ahead of Segura to take advantage of the mistakes.

Now for me, I'd still much prefer Segura/Lucroy with Davis at 5 Gomez 6th. Just because I like Lucroy so much. I could see the 1st inning pitch counts being close to 30 with Lucroy/Braun/ARam battling out ABs early. Whereas with Gomez/Segura 1st inning may amount to 6-8pitches if Braun goes down early in an Ab. As we know Gomez/Segura aren't the walk types. compared to Lucroy.

[Baldkin]

League average OBP was .318 last year, so Gomez certainly was not a low OBP hitter in 2013. Only nine teams managed an OBP higher than Carlos's .338 from their leadoff spot in 2013 so his "low" OBP would have been higher than 20 teams received from their first batter.

 

The only people who realistically project to have higher OBPs in 2014 are Braun, Ramirez and Lucroy who are hitting 3, 4, 5. While I agree that Gomez is not the ideal leadoff hitter in a perfectly constructed lineup, in the context of the players available to the 2014 Milwaukee Brewers he is pretty much the best option we have.

 

My prediction: If Billy Hamilton hits leadoff all season, he will lead the league in outs.

 

I don't think Gomez duplicates his 2013. I don't think he OBP's above league average. I hope I eat crow, but he didn't change his approach much last year. It's not like his BB% had a big jump, what spiked was his LD%, and maybe he sustains that, and I hope he does, I just doubt it.

[JohnBriggs12]

League average OBP was .318 last year, so Gomez certainly was not a low OBP hitter in 2013. Only nine teams managed an OBP higher than Carlos's .338 from their leadoff spot in 2013 so his "low" OBP would have been higher than 20 teams received from their first batter.

 

The only people who realistically project to have higher OBPs in 2014 are Braun, Ramirez and Lucroy who are hitting 3, 4, 5. While I agree that Gomez is not the ideal leadoff hitter in a perfectly constructed lineup, in the context of the players available to the 2014 Milwaukee Brewers he is pretty much the best option we have.

 

My prediction: If Billy Hamilton hits leadoff all season, he will lead the league in outs.

 

I don't think Gomez duplicates his 2013. I don't think he OBP's above league average. I hope I eat crow, but he didn't change his approach much last year. It's not like his BB% had a big jump, what spiked was his LD%, and maybe he sustains that, and I hope he does, I just doubt it.

 

Enjoy the crow..It's amazing how under-appreciated Gomez is. He's a star. There are two kinds of effective leadoff hitters. There are the real high OBP guys of course that work counts, take walks and get on base at a high percentage. Then there are the guys that are straws that stir the drink. For the lack of a better term, lets say they ignite the offense. Molitor never took a ton of walks or had real high OBP either. But he ignited the offense. Gomez does the same thing. He has a rare power/speed ability and is a real irritant to the opposition. He's the heart and soul of this Brewer team. Appreciate him for it. His next contract is going to be in the stratosphere.

[Baldkin]

League average OBP was .318 last year, so Gomez certainly was not a low OBP hitter in 2013. Only nine teams managed an OBP higher than Carlos's .338 from their leadoff spot in 2013 so his "low" OBP would have been higher than 20 teams received from their first batter.

 

The only people who realistically project to have higher OBPs in 2014 are Braun, Ramirez and Lucroy who are hitting 3, 4, 5. While I agree that Gomez is not the ideal leadoff hitter in a perfectly constructed lineup, in the context of the players available to the 2014 Milwaukee Brewers he is pretty much the best option we have.

 

My prediction: If Billy Hamilton hits leadoff all season, he will lead the league in outs.

 

I don't think Gomez duplicates his 2013. I don't think he OBP's above league average. I hope I eat crow, but he didn't change his approach much last year. It's not like his BB% had a big jump, what spiked was his LD%, and maybe he sustains that, and I hope he does, I just doubt it.

 

Enjoy the crow..It's amazing how under-appreciated Gomez is. He's a star. There are two kinds of effective leadoff hitters. There are the real high OBP guys of course that work counts, take walks and get on base at a high percentage. Then there are the guys that are straws that stir the drink. For the lack of a better term, lets say they ignite the offense. Molitor never took a ton of walks or had real high OBP either. But he ignited the offense. Gomez does the same thing. He has a rare power/speed ability and is a real irritant to the opposition. He's the heart and soul of this Brewer team. Appreciate him for it. His next contract is going to be in the stratosphere.

 

I'll happily eat crow, especially if he keeps on walking, and his BABIP stays over .500 all year.

 

You're completely wrong about Molitor. He was nothing like Gomez. He has a career .389 OBP and 9% BB rate (that's higher than Braun's career rate, for comparison).

[danzig6767]

 

I'll happily eat crow, especially if he keeps on walking, and his BABIP stays over .500 all year.

 

In general, i'd rather see Gomez hitting somewhere around 5th or 6th in a batting order with Lucroy hitting 2nd, but looking at the roster, there really is no obvious leadoff hitter option at all. So i guess for now, it may as well be Carlos because who else is there to replace him and instead let Gomez be in an RBI spot in the order?

 

I fully supported the Aoki trade at the time and still do, especially in watching Smith pitch and seeing Davis starting to get hot at the plate. That said, the trade did remove the only obvious leadoff candidate on the team and someone has to bat there.

[logan82]

If we have to go with something pretty similar to what we currently have I would rather see Gomez #2 because he has more power than Segura.

[SoupTown]

If Braun has lost his power, and ends up a 15 homer, 15 steals, 300 ba (360 obp) guy... I would move Braun to number two. And Gomez down. But yes, if Segura and Gomez are line ball on OBP and steals, you might has well have the home run guy NOT at number 1.

 

I am weary looking at Overbay's early sub .100 ba. And I sure hope Morris will have a big couple of months at AAA. He is currently only .800 ops.

 

re lead off obp, Gennett and Davis were higher than Lucroy and Gomez and Segura in 2013. If I were running the lineup, I would have the Gennett/Weeks platoon as leadoff. Then I really agree with Gomez lower down as Danzig says. Mind you, I even have him at 3 below!

 

The guy I don't trust in all the above to repeat his positives of last year is Segura. So, with the injured Braun, the doubtful Segura, I am doing this....

 

Gennett/Weeks (mostly Gennett)

Braun/Shafer (mostly Braun)

Gomez

ARAM

Lucroy

Davis

Reynolds/Overbay 50/50... and when Reynolds plays third base, just put him in ARAMs spot

Segura (and when Bianchi does get a start, this is his spot, anyway!)

 

and when Maldy gets a start, you just put him 8, and move 6/7/8 above to 5/6/7

 

Ha, ha. Three platoons.

 

And, when push comes to shove, if our starters and bullpen keep on like they started, the lineup order may not matter!

[Warning Track Power]

I understand the Brewers really pounded the ball today, but the lineup that the Brewers put out there today is the best they can do with the current players on the roster:

 

1. Gomez

2. Segura

3. Braun

4. Ramirez

5. Lucroy

6. Davis

7. Reynolds

8. Gennett

[danzig6767]

I understand the Brewers really pounded the ball today, but the lineup that the Brewers put out there today is the best they can do with the current players on the roster:

 

1. Gomez

2. Segura

3. Braun

4. Ramirez

5. Lucroy

6. Davis

7. Reynolds

8. Gennett

 

Besides the obvious of needing both Braun and Ramirez to play at least 140ish very productive games, the biggest wild card to me is Segura.

 

Gomez will never walk enough for my tastes, but i'm convinced that he's turned that corner as a hitter. Segura though really needs to get on base at a decent clip for our 3-4-5 batters to have guys on base to drive in. Given he's also no fan of taking walks either, he needs to keep his batting average at least in that .280-.290 range so as the OBP numbers aren't poor because if he's hitting in the .250-.260 range instead, he'll be posting a sub-.300 OBP.

[SoupTown]

What I am noticing (I watch 'gameday' the most) is the great strike zone judgement. Out of the zone is not drawing swings. In the zone is not drawing many non-swings. I always used to be unhappy at the take the fastball down the can for a called strike.

 

This mob is aggressive. But they are showing strike zone judgement. That is very, very promising.

[SoupTown]

Even with the many, many wins is there any fixing that needs to be done to the lineup.

 

Should Segura be pushed down to the bottom of the lineup?

Should Reynolds be pushed above Davis?

 

Given Lucroy's continued good at bats after good at bats is he the best number two hitter we have?

 

Would RRR be so game to put Gennett to bat second?

 

In any case, how nice to see a lineup from top to down that can produce offense.

[liveforoctober]

Didn't Segura thrive in the bottom of the order last year? I really, really like Lucroy in the 5 spot. I'm not opposed to him hitting 2nd, but he is a great follow to Aramis. I wouldn't mind a flip of Segura and Scooter to bust up the righties at the top... however if that is happening then I think Scooter should be getting most of the starts then to avoid constant changes to the top of the order.