First Base 2014

[TheCrew07]

2.) Roache will likely be moved to 1B. He is Prince Fielder 2.0 in terms of power and hitting ability. However I expect that average to increase quite a bit from last season. When Roache explodes which is likely IMO he will be expedited to the Majors.

 

3.) 1B is the only postiton that he can play that isn't blocked.

 

I would dispute the hitting ability angle, Prince had a 60-70 hit tool... he was going to hit right around .300 in his best years. Roache looks to be a .240ish hitter, which is in the 30 range on a scouting scale, anything below .240 is the worst grade, a 20. I watched Victor strike out repeatedly on 3 breaking balls in the dirt in person and on TV last year, he really struggles with pitch recognition at this point. He slowly improved over the course of the season, but right now he's nothing more than a hacker with huge power potential where as Prince was a polished hitter with power, even for his age getting drafted as a HS kid.

 

BA had an interesting article discussing this issue, I'll link to it. I agree that Roache is awful in LF, and his arm/range limit him to LF/1B, draft position doesn't really say anything about what an organization thinks of a player other than his upside on draft day. Plenty of 1st round picks have bombed horribly right out of the gate, for comparison sake here are scouting reports:

 

Prince Fielder 2003

...He bats lefthanded, hits for average, covers the plate well and goes the other way with pitches. His signature tool, however, is the same as his father's: power. One of the Midwest League's youngest players, he won the league MVP award at age 19. All of the aforementioned offensive skills make Fielder a prodigy at the plate. Few hitters with his youth or power are as accomplished and as knowledgeable. He takes walks when pitchers decide to work around him. His pitch recognition and quick bat make him a tough out at the plate.

 

Prince Fielder 2004

Fielder has outstanding power to all fields and enhances it by recognizing pitches early. He shows the patience to take a walk and rarely chases bad pitches out of his zone. He employs a compact stroke with tremendous bat speed, making him a constant threat.

 

Prince Fielder 2005

...Fielder has hit and hit for power. He has as much raw power as any hitter in the minors due to tremendous bat speed and brute strength. He has power to any part of any park and is at his best when he's using the whole field, letting his strength work for him. He homered in his first two games at Triple-A Nashville before a month-long slump, and it's the adjustments he made to get going again that have the Brewers so excited. Fielder knows the strike zone well and started picking up on the steady diet of breaking balls he was seeing. Once he started trusting his hands to hit breaking balls left in the strike zone, he punished them. He was productive in a pinch-hitting role in the big leagues due to his ability to focus during those at-bats, and he carried that improved concentration with him when he returned to the minors, hitting .349 with 13 homers in his final 39 games. Fielder can get pull-conscious, opening his shoulder and giving away the outer half of the plate.

 

Victor Roache 2013

Roache has the kind of raw power that isn’t easy to find. He can send pitches to far-off places, using his strength, bat speed and timing. The righty hitter struggles with breaking balls at times but crushes mistakes. He has to become more selective as a hitter to maximize his offensive potential. Roache does not project to be a high-average hitter but could hit 30 homers if he puts enough balls in play

[PrinceFielderx1]

2.) Roache will likely be moved to 1B. He is Prince Fielder 2.0 in terms of power and hitting ability. However I expect that average to increase quite a bit from last season. When Roache explodes which is likely IMO he will be expedited to the Majors.

He is absolutely nowhere close to Fielder in terms of hitting ability. He's probably not far away from Prince in terms of raw power, but yikes. Not even close as a pure hitter.

 

Not "yet" anyways. I think he will be a 280 hitter who will hit over 30 HR's. Frank Thomas type raw power. Pure speculation at this point. Brewers wouldn't of drafted him injured like he was if they didn't think he's hit for a higher average.

[TooLiveBrew]

2.) Roache will likely be moved to 1B. He is Prince Fielder 2.0 in terms of power and hitting ability. However I expect that average to increase quite a bit from last season. When Roache explodes which is likely IMO he will be expedited to the Majors.

He is absolutely nowhere close to Fielder in terms of hitting ability. He's probably not far away from Prince in terms of raw power, but yikes. Not even close as a pure hitter.

 

Not "yet" anyways.

Right, except that Prince was a more advanced pure hitter at a significantly younger age than Roache.

[PrinceFielderx1]

TLB,

 

I edited that post. It will take Roache and extra year to show what he can really do, but I would expect him to do it.

[TheCrew07]

Brewers wouldn't of drafted him injured like he was if they didn't think he's hit for a higher average.

 

Here's his write-up post draft and prior to his playing a game in the Brewer organization, it's subscriber content so I'm limiting it to the applicable text:

Roache’s calling card is his top-shelf power potential, the product of strength, bat speed and patience. Some scouts question his ability to recognize and handle breaking balls, and his swing can get stiff at times. He may not make enough contact to hit for a high average, but his power should be worth it. Roache has fringy speed and average arm strength, with the instincts to be an effective corner outfielder.

 

Please let this go, Fielder and Roache are not comparable in way other than HR power, and for that matter the type of HRs they hit are much different. Prince hit towering majestic type HRs while Victor hits HRs that are out of the ballpark before you're done blinking, they are absolute missiles. Roache's hitting ability has been consistently called into question since his stint on the Cape, no one thinks he's a .300 hitter, not even you, and yet that's what Prince profiled as at a much younger age. I'd be happy if Roache hit .261 in a single season which is Fielder's rock bottom as a professional in 2010, but Fielder also took a career high 114 walks that year against 138 strike outs. Roache on the other hand walked 46 times and struck out 137 in 119 games... not in MLB of course, but in A ball last year as 21 year old. In the same league (Midwest) that Fielder was the MVP of as a 19 year old.

 

Roache can absolutely get better, in fact he must get much better to be an everyday MLB hitter and his 2nd half last year was a good start. However he wasn't drafted for his hit tool, he was drafted for his raw power potential, much like the young 1B the Brewers took last year in David Denson. These are guys with plus-plus power potential, the question is will they ever make enough contact?

[PrinceFielderx1]

Brewers wouldn't of drafted him injured like he was if they didn't think he's hit for a higher average.

 

Here's his write-up post draft and prior to his playing a game in the Brewer organization, it's subscriber content so I'm limiting it to the applicable text:

Roache’s calling card is his top-shelf power potential, the product of strength, bat speed and patience. Some scouts question his ability to recognize and handle breaking balls, and his swing can get stiff at times. He may not make enough contact to hit for a high average, but his power should be worth it. Roache has fringy speed and average arm strength, with the instincts to be an effective corner outfielder.

 

Please let this go, Fielder and Roache are not comparable in way other than HR power, and for that matter the type of HRs they hit are much different. Prince hit towering majestic type HRs while Victor hits HRs that are out of the ballpark before you're done blinking, they are absolute missiles. Roache's hitting ability has been consistently called into question since his stint on the Cape, no one thinks he's a .300 hitter, not even you, and yet that's what Prince profiled as at a much younger age. I'd be happy if Roache hit .261 in a single season which is Fielder's rock bottom as a professional in 2010, but Fielder also took a career high 114 walks that year against 138 strike outs. Roache on the other hand walked 46 times and struck out 137 in 119 games... not in MLB of course, but in A ball last year as 21 year old. In the same league (Midwest) that Fielder was the MVP of as a 19 year old.

 

Roache can absolutely get better, in fact he must get much better to be an everyday MLB hitter and his 2nd half last year was a good start. However he wasn't drafted for his hit tool, he was drafted for his raw power potential, much like the young 1B the Brewers took last year in David Denson. These are guys with plus-plus power potential, the question is will they ever make enough contact?

 

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. However, I do think he's a better hitter than you do and I think as soon as this year we will see a higher batting average. I don't believe .280 for this kid is asking too much considering that he will be much better this season in my view.

[monty57]

PFx1, we all want our young players (Roache, Davis and everyone) to do well. I really want to get some guys on the farm that everyone is drooling over. Projecting young prospects is an inexact "science," but the guys who are paid to scout them (whether "traditional" or "statistical") are generally down on our farm, mainly because of the lack of top prospects in the system. We have added some "high upside" guys in recent years, and hopefully some pan out, but I think it's prudent to temper our enthusiasm.

 

Roache is one of these "high upside" guys, but he has to produce to move from "high upside potential" to "top prospect." Guys like Buxton, Taveras and Almora are OF who fit into the category you're placing Roache. Now, there is a possibility that Roache may end up having a better career than these guys, but the people who are paid to judge these guys don't think it's likely. I hope you're right, but let's let the kid have a good season in the low minors before we get our hopes too high.

 

As to "Melvin's feelings" on a player, it's rare for a GM to speak in anything but glowing terms about one of his guys. A GM's "forward looking" public statements about a player shouldn't be given too much merit.

[PrinceFielderx1]

PFx1, we all want our young players (Roache, Davis and everyone) to do well. I really want to get some guys on the farm that everyone is drooling over. Projecting young prospects is an inexact "science," but the guys who are paid to scout them (whether "traditional" or "statistical") are generally down on our farm, mainly because of the lack of top prospects in the system. We have added some "high upside" guys in recent years, and hopefully some pan out, but I think it's prudent to temper our enthusiasm.

 

Roache is one of these "high upside" guys, but he has to produce to move from "high upside potential" to "top prospect." Guys like Buxton, Taveras and Almora are OF who fit into the category you're placing Roache. Now, there is a possibility that Roache may end up having a better career than these guys, but the people who are paid to judge these guys don't think it's likely. I hope you're right, but let's let the kid have a good season in the low minors before we get our hopes too high.

 

As to "Melvin's feelings" on a player, it's rare for a GM to speak in anything but glowing terms about one of his guys. A GM's "forward looking" public statements about a player shouldn't be given too much merit.

 

I go back to what I originally said. Doug Melvin wouldn't have drafted Roache in the 1st round if he didn't think he was going to be a very good hitter w/ power. Scouts change their scouting reports all the time as prospects make adjustments. Pardon me if I take what the scouts say with a grain of salt.

[monty57]

PFx1, we all want our young players (Roache, Davis and everyone) to do well. I really want to get some guys on the farm that everyone is drooling over. Projecting young prospects is an inexact "science," but the guys who are paid to scout them (whether "traditional" or "statistical") are generally down on our farm, mainly because of the lack of top prospects in the system. We have added some "high upside" guys in recent years, and hopefully some pan out, but I think it's prudent to temper our enthusiasm.

 

Roache is one of these "high upside" guys, but he has to produce to move from "high upside potential" to "top prospect." Guys like Buxton, Taveras and Almora are OF who fit into the category you're placing Roache. Now, there is a possibility that Roache may end up having a better career than these guys, but the people who are paid to judge these guys don't think it's likely. I hope you're right, but let's let the kid have a good season in the low minors before we get our hopes too high.

 

As to "Melvin's feelings" on a player, it's rare for a GM to speak in anything but glowing terms about one of his guys. A GM's "forward looking" public statements about a player shouldn't be given too much merit.

 

I go back to what I originally said. Doug Melvin wouldn't have drafted Roache in the 1st round if he didn't think he was going to be a very good hitter w/ power. Scouts change their scouting reports all the time as prospects make adjustments. Pardon me if I take what the scouts say with a grain of salt.

 

In my last sentence, I was really commenting on your statement that you and Melvin believe Davis will hit 25 HR this year. I'm sure Melvin has faith in him, as he's pretty much penciled him in as the starting LF, but what you keep quoting was an off-the-cuff comment made during a booth interview, so of course he's going to talk his players up. There were only 10 players in the NL to hit 25 or more HR last season, so it's quite a bit to put on Davis in his rookie year.

 

As to your point on the draft, I have no doubt that a team who selects a player in the first round believes they are the best person available at the time for their team, but most players who are selected at the end of the first round don't end up having a MLB career, much less being a Prince Fielder-type hitter. There are many scouts, with many opinions so yes, take them with a grain of salt, but please take them. Your comment basically says "The opinions of scouts who have seen how the player progresses through his minor league career are irrelevant for players drafted in the first round." I really don't know how to react to that. I guess Arnett was a good pick, and I expect him to win a Cy Young as our staff ace this season.

 

As I said, I really hope Roache and all of our young players reach their potential. Roache's potential is higher than most of our prospects, and he certainly could have a good MLB career. You just seem to be assuming that it is a given and can't understand how anyone would have any questions about a guy who had a significant wrist injury (causing 27 other MLB teams to pass on him) and then had a decent-but-not-spectacular season in low-A ball as a 21-year-old. I'll wait to see how he progresses before I'll pass judgement on him. I do like his power potential.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Roache has finished a half season, and so there's not significant data for scouts to go on. Also, you don't hget drafted in the 1st round only because of raw power, you have to have proven you can hit. Hence why the Brewers drafted him. Yes, Roache will progress in the coming years. Considering the amount of power production he's had in the minors his potential is VERY high and the fact that he can hit. I'm not saying that he's Prince Fielder 2.0 right now, but he as close to Prince Fielder as we are going to get and that bods very well for the Brewers and him as a player.

 

My guess is that he explodes this season and all projections/scouting reports on him change by August of this season. As you can see I usually don't use scouting reports as a basis for future projection. They change like the wind.

[TheCrew07]

... you don't get drafted in the 1st round only because of raw power, you have to have proven you can hit.

 

Says whom exactly? Are you really suggesting that teams think every player taken in the 1st round is going to hit .280 or better as a professional? There were only 29 qualified players in the NL who hit .280 or better last year. Each team on average only has a couple of those guys from year to year.

 

Of the HR leaders, Pedro Alvarez who led the NL with 36 only hit .233. In 3rd Jay Bruce hit .262, farther down Justin Upton .263, Dominic Brown .272, Ryan Zimmerman .275, Giancarlo Stanton .249... being a productive run producer isn't necessarily about the hit tool, those guys who can hit for AVE and SLG... those guys tend to be Hall of Fame candidates, perennial All-stars, they are the cream of the crop, they aren't so easy to find, and rarely are impact college players drafted that late in the draft.

 

I highly doubt you've ever watched Roache play a game, and he played a full season last year, it's just that only half the season was worth discussing. Nor do scouting reports change like the wind... on very young players they may; 16 year olds out of Latin America and 18 year old HS kids from the states, but for good reason as it's nearly impossible to project how bodies will change and prospects will develop when they are that young. By the time the players reach 21-22 years old the reports don't change much, and furthermore what changed in Fielder's scouting reports? They just got much more detailed as he moved up and BA had more information from more sources about him but the same core themes carried through year to year.

 

If you read the MiLB forum you will see that posters like myself really want Roache to succeed, we need him to succeed, but we also try to ground the discussion in realism rather than over-the-top fanboyisms. It's fine for you to say you think he can hit .280 but at least base it on something other than you pulled a number out of a hat and now aren't willing to back away from a somewhat ridiculous comparison to start with. In fact I'm having a hard time believing I've posted so many times in this thread about something so outrageous, it has largely been a waste of time based on your responses.

[Bnowell4evr]

I like Roache as he absolutely raked LHP a year ago but he struggled mightily against the RHP. If he wants to be anything more than the weak side of a platoon he better improve on his .228/.293/.420/.713 line against righties.

[PrinceFielderx1]

... you don't get drafted in the 1st round only because of raw power, you have to have proven you can hit.

 

Says whom exactly? Are you really suggesting that teams think every player taken in the 1st round is going to hit .280 or better as a professional? There were only 29 qualified players in the NL who hit .280 or better last year. Each team on average only has a couple of those guys from year to year.

 

Of the HR leaders, Pedro Alvarez who led the NL with 36 only hit .233. In 3rd Jay Bruce hit .262, farther down Justin Upton .263, Dominic Brown .272, Ryan Zimmerman .275, Giancarlo Stanton .249... being a productive run producer isn't necessarily about the hit tool, those guys who can hit for AVE and SLG... those guys tend to be Hall of Fame candidates, perennial All-stars, they are the cream of the crop, they aren't so easy to find, and rarely are impact college players drafted that late in the draft.

 

I highly doubt you've ever watched Roache play a game, and he played a full season last year, it's just that only half the season was worth discussing. Nor do scouting reports change like the wind... on very young players they may; 16 year olds out of Latin America and 18 year old HS kids from the states, but for good reason as it's nearly impossible to project how bodies will change and prospects will develop when they are that young. By the time the players reach 21-22 years old the reports don't change much, and furthermore what changed in Fielder's scouting reports? They just got much more detailed as he moved up and BA had more information from more sources about him but the same core themes carried through year to year.

 

If you read the MiLB forum you will see that posters like myself really want Roache to succeed, we need him to succeed, but we also try to ground the discussion in realism rather than over-the-top fanboyisms. It's fine for you to say you think he can hit .280 but at least base it on something other than you pulled a number out of a hat and now aren't willing to back away from a somewhat ridiculous comparison to start with. In fact I'm having a hard time believing I've posted so many times in this thread about something so outrageous, it has largely been a waste of time based on your responses.

 

No scouting reports change like the wind because young players learn how to hit a breaking ball. You can't deny that. They change all the time. That's just 1 example of many.

[TooLiveBrew]

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled topic of the 2014 1B position.

 

[brewcrewdue80]

PFx1, we all want our young players (Roache, Davis and everyone) to do well. I really want to get some guys on the farm that everyone is drooling over. Projecting young prospects is an inexact "science," but the guys who are paid to scout them (whether "traditional" or "statistical") are generally down on our farm, mainly because of the lack of top prospects in the system. We have added some "high upside" guys in recent years, and hopefully some pan out, but I think it's prudent to temper our enthusiasm.

 

Roache is one of these "high upside" guys, but he has to produce to move from "high upside potential" to "top prospect." Guys like Buxton, Taveras and Almora are OF who fit into the category you're placing Roache.

 

I think what gets lost in top 100 rankings is not only the ability to hit but play defense if they struggle hitting, the defensive ability gives these top 20-30 in ranks a longer leash to succeed as being every day players. Naming guys like Buxton/Taveras/and Almora it's not that they can hit, they are plusses in defense not just average. Also, those 3 are younger than Roache while having more Minor League time played.

 

I'm pretty sure PFX's enthusiasm on Roache is just overlooking the defensive part and the scout's rankings with defense. Roache was a top 10 draft talent. hit 22HRs last year, should he hit 30+ this year I think notice starts getting taken to include Roache in the top 75 even top 50 come next season. As it stands with Scouting Book barring adjustment he's ranked 129 with this:

A strong outfielder with plus bat speed and power, Milwaukee prospect Victor Roache is more than a pull hitter: he can spray line drives to all fields, and displays superior pitch recognition. One of the best bets to succeed offensively, he'll enjoy hitting in a near-future Milwaukee lineup.

 

I truly believe his non-included in ranking top 100 is just being leery of his past injury. That the time lost to injury, one can only figure it gives the ranking people that much more time to put Roache in their rankings. If you figure a top 100 prospect minor league arc is 3.25 years-4. with Roache's injury you extend that from draft to 4-4.75. So from June 2012 rather than Roache making it to the Majors July 2015-June 2016 he's at June 2016 to Start of 2017 season.

 

Why rank him in the top 100 today when you can do so beginning the mid season reranking after a number of top 100 are graduated and you have a full year's picture what Roache can do?

 

Now, back to 1b in this, With Braun,Khris Davis, Haniger, Taylor kinda being what I think as post Gomez/Schafer at CF I think Roache's quickest way on to the team is to be 1b with OF when needed. And the power in his bat is what separates him from trying to move say Haniger/Taylor to 1b. Or Braun's defensive ability over Roache you don't ask Braun to move to 1b to make room for Roache. But that is just so far away and counting on progression without injury setbacks you just let him play in the OF and wait til he's reached AAA to even see if you need him to move from his OF position. Delmonico was acquired last season and he's the 3b of the future at the moment so who's to say a trade this year doesn't net the 1b for years to come?

[PrinceFielderx1]

PFx1, we all want our young players (Roache, Davis and everyone) to do well. I really want to get some guys on the farm that everyone is drooling over. Projecting young prospects is an inexact "science," but the guys who are paid to scout them (whether "traditional" or "statistical") are generally down on our farm, mainly because of the lack of top prospects in the system. We have added some "high upside" guys in recent years, and hopefully some pan out, but I think it's prudent to temper our enthusiasm.

 

Roache is one of these "high upside" guys, but he has to produce to move from "high upside potential" to "top prospect." Guys like Buxton, Taveras and Almora are OF who fit into the category you're placing Roache.

 

I think what gets lost in top 100 rankings is not only the ability to hit but play defense if they struggle hitting, the defensive ability gives these top 20-30 in ranks a longer leash to succeed as being every day players. Naming guys like Buxton/Taveras/and Almora it's not that they can hit, they are plusses in defense not just average. Also, those 3 are younger than Roache while having more Minor League time played.

 

I'm pretty sure PFX's enthusiasm on Roache is just overlooking the defensive part and the scout's rankings with defense. Roache was a top 10 draft talent. hit 22HRs last year, should he hit 30+ this year I think notice starts getting taken to include Roache in the top 75 even top 50 come next season. As it stands with Scouting Book barring adjustment he's ranked 129 with this:

A strong outfielder with plus bat speed and power, Milwaukee prospect Victor Roache is more than a pull hitter: he can spray line drives to all fields, and displays superior pitch recognition. One of the best bets to succeed offensively, he'll enjoy hitting in a near-future Milwaukee lineup.

 

I truly believe his non-included in ranking top 100 is just being leery of his past injury. That the time lost to injury, one can only figure it gives the ranking people that much more time to put Roache in their rankings. If you figure a top 100 prospect minor league arc is 3.25 years-4. with Roache's injury you extend that from draft to 4-4.75. So from June 2012 rather than Roache making it to the Majors July 2015-June 2016 he's at June 2016 to Start of 2017 season.

 

Why rank him in the top 100 today when you can do so beginning the mid season reranking after a number of top 100 are graduated and you have a full year's picture what Roache can do?

Now, back to 1b in this, With Braun,Khris Davis, Haniger, Taylor kinda being what I think as post Gomez/Schafer at CF I think Roache's quickest way on to the team is to be 1b with OF when needed. And the power in his bat is what separates him from trying to move say Haniger/Taylor to 1b. Or Braun's defensive ability over Roache you don't ask Braun to move to 1b to make room for Roache. But that is just so far away and counting on progression without injury setbacks you just let him play in the OF and wait til he's reached AAA to even see if you need him to move from his OF position. Delmonico was acquired last season and he's the 3b of the future at the moment so who's to say a trade this year doesn't net the 1b for years to come?

 

The top 100 prospects thing these minor league analysts do is so pointless for the reason you suggested. A player could be ranked 130 and by mid-season he's in the top 100 or even top 50. The only prospect rankings I go by are the top 15. I also agree with what you wrote, however I'm not over looking his defense, because I said he should be moved to 1B. Many prospect analysts said the Brewers selecting Roache was a steal if he can bounce back after injury, which he's starting to do. Steal meaning he should have been a top 10 pick hadn't he'd been injured.

[PrinceFielderx1]

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled topic of the 2014 1B position.

 

 

My bad, I apologize. I love the minor leagues and saw a possible connection with Brewers plans to platoon 1B till they know what they have in Roache, which they should find out "very" soon.

[TURBO]

Taylor at 1B is more than likely NOT an option, ever... He is tiny is stature... Everything I read says he is 6'0" tall, but I think that is being generous, unless he has grown in the off season.

 

I love this kid, enjoyed every moment of watching him in person last season, but he does not look as big as they are saying.

 

Roache seems like an obvious choice to put at 1B, kid is an absolute horse, and crushes the ball hard! By far my favorite player on last year's T-Rats team. His 2nd half was monstrous, it really appeared that his wrist injury was behind him. Now, a season later, I will be surprised if he doesn't absolutely take off!

[bensheeps]

Sign me up for the trade this blogger suggests.

 

http://bosoxinjection.com/2014/03/05/a-mike-carp-for-scooter-gennett-swap-would-make-sense/

 

 

Yes, I know the Red Sox would never go for it, but I can dream of the day that Overbay and Francisco are not the big side of a platoon and Reynolds gets only minimal starts.

[brewcrewdue80]

Sign me up for the trade this blogger suggests.

 

http://bosoxinjection.com/2014/03/05/a-mike-carp-for-scooter-gennett-swap-would-make-sense/

 

 

Yes, I know the Red Sox would never go for it, but I can dream of the day that Overbay and Francisco are not the big side of a platoon and Reynolds gets only minimal starts.

 

Holy crap, that site about crashed my browser, wth was going on with that web page?

 

As to the suggestion, no. You remove a likely only everyday LHB in the Brewers Lineup. Stay expensive with Weeks which means 600PA for him to play 2015 on Milw. And if Weeks doesn't reach his option who plays 2b in 2015? Or SS if Segura plays 2b w/o Weeks? Marrero would appear to be maybe, maybe 2016 ready for Majors...if he even reaches a level that makes him a MLB player. We're looking at .600s OPS guy with 2HRs last year in A+/AA ball. You're basically sending a solution at 2b beyond this year or for this year for a minimal if any upgrade to play 1b with whom we have on the team today. If Weeks or Segura went down there are zero capable players to take over for them every day.

 

And the throw in suggestion? If Marrero is a 2016 graduate to MLB....doesn't that pretty much coincide with Arcia's potential graduate in to MLB?

 

For Weeks, sure we'll take Carp. For Scooter? no. No Way. I mean just reading the article, it's pretty much stating Carp has zero value for them aside from depth. How do you get who was headed in to the everyday starting 2b roll Gennett for a guy who has no place on your starting roster?...Oh, because he will start for Milw? Yeah but Gennett was going to Start for Milw so we lose a starter for a starter, while you lose a bench player for a bench player on your team? Has to be Weeks in the deal for Carp oh it's a lousy deal.

[Warning Track Power]

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/mets-ike-davis-in-walking-boot-will-miss-a-week-1.7340195

 

Maybe the Mets will now deal Ike to us for a little less than Tyler Thornburg...

[3and2Fastball]

Why would Boston, of all teams, trade for a player who can only play 2B?

[DHonks]

why not acquire Brett Wallace?

[jerichoholicninja]

why not acquire Brett Wallace?

 

Because he is terrible and worse than everyone the team has right now.

[brewmann04]

I think Overbay makes the Team the best defensive 1st baseman we have.tossup with Juan and Mark.