Milwaukee Bucks Thread 2009–2010 (part 2)

[crewcrazy]

Good to see I'm not the only one that at least entertained the idea of a Ray Allen homecoming to finish his career. Unfortunately, I think he's more likely to go to whichever team ends up with LeBron. When everyone was talking about the James/Wade/Bosh triumvirate in Miami, I saw Allen's name mentioned as one of the guys who could be brought in the flesh out the roster. No idea how they'd make that work, though.

[Gobias Industries]

Maggette is the perfect sixth man, as his game is based off of isolations (which he converts better than anyone else in the league). He should be on the court at all times when Bogut's resting. As twirl said, our second unit was dreadful at putting the ball in the basket. I've come around on this trade a lot after having a week to digest it.

 

It's also gonna be huge to have a guy that can create his own shot at the end of the game.(Bogut's basically useless at times like that) He definitely fills some huge holes for this team.

 

As for RJ latching on to a contender, we'll have to see. He probably won't be too hot of a commodity, and Lebron hates him, so he probably won't be going to a team that's anymore a favorite than the Spurs. (I can't see why the Lakers would need him either)

[gobrew23]

Bucks have agreed to a 5 year, $32 mil deal with Drew Gooden.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...lug=ys-goodenbucks070110

 

I'd love to see them sign Salmons as well. This team is going to have incredible depth.

[Gobias Industries]

Well, there better be some team options in that thing.

 

Otherwise that's one of the worst contracts in NBA history.

[Corn Trader]

I guess I'm missing why this would be so bad? He's been stuck behind Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki in the past two years. As a starter, he's a 12-14 point 8-9 rebound type guy who can play a tough 4 or a decent 5. That isnt an insane amount of money and it continues to make us more and more deep. We also have some Bogut insurance if he cant come back strong

[greeg35]

Drew Gooden sucks. I hate this move...first move I've hated in a while.

[Hofbraunhaus]

Terrible contract if true. Seems to be another Gadzuric type contract. It is the 5 years that really bugs me. Hopefully there are some team options.

[dpapo]

A 5 year $32 million dollar deal for a journeyman play who's been on 8 teams in 8 years? I'm not saying Gooden isn't a decent player that could help the Bucks, but that's a lot of years and money. I believe he signed a one year contract a year ago for $4.5 million and he didn't have that much of a better year.

If I'm John Salmons, I'm thinking if they are willing to give Gooden 5 years, even if it includes a team option, I should at least get 4 years. Guess should wait and see whether it's true and what the real contract numbers are. Just hard to believe they would give that many years and money to a player like Gooden.

Well, if they have signed Gooden and are able to sign John Salmons, they should at least have a solid team going into next season.

[Gobias Industries]

Corn Trader: 8 teams in 8 years. Doesn't play any D. Hollow stats. Hammond has spent 2 years trying to cleanse the roster of this exact type of player.

 

And people were hoping to get Salmons back on a 3/27 deal. I think that ship has sailed this morning.

[gobrew23]

Yeah, it's more money and years than I would prefer, but he had 14.8 ppg and 9.4 rpg last season. It makes us a better team now and he'll be getting ~$6.4 mil per season, which is not that ridiculous.

[greeg35]

The only thing he does well is rebound. He puts up many bad shots, lazy/undisciplined defense, turnovers, and personally I don't care for his demeanor/attitude. I really don't get it. I will hate every minute that he's on the floor when someone else that deserves it isn't.

[Gobias Industries]

Yeah, it's more money and years than I would prefer, but he had 14.8 ppg and 9.4 rpg last season. It makes us a better team now and he'll be getting ~$6.4 mil per season, which is not that ridiculous.

For 5 years though. That's an eternity in the NBA.

[Corn Trader]

So he isnt a franchise power forward? He isnt getting paid like one either. He's not a big shot blocker or steals guy, but this isnt a fantasy league so that doesnt tell the entire story. He's a big body and a very good rebounder who shoots very efficiently and will be great in pick and roll situations with Jennings. He's a more typical 4 than we have on the roster right now.

 

The 8 teams in 8 years thing isnt an indictment of his talent by any means. It's not like he's been on a series of one year contracts begging to find his way onto a roster. 5 of those teams were in the last 2 years when he was involved in every trade that went down for a while. There is no comparison between this contract and the one Dan Gadzuric received

[Gobias Industries]

Yeah, this contract is worse.

 

Gadz was young and had upside and played a position much more in demand. He had teams(Hawks) that we're gonna give him a similar deal if we didn't.

 

Gooden is 29, could only fetch a 1 yr deal last year, and was traded at the deadline by a legitimate contender. No surprise they (Mavs) got better once he left either.

 

I might be a tad biased. I'd be leery if this was a one year deal. Gooden isn't any better than Ers or LRMAM.

[greeg35]

he's worse because he thinks he's better than he is.

[Corn Trader]

Maybe Dallas got better because they traded him for a better player? I dont think you can apply the Ewing theory to a guy who was Dirk's back up, especially when he was traded for Caron Butler.

[yoshii8]

Wow, I don't mind Drew Gooden as a player, but the length and money of this deal shock me. I will wait until the Bucks confirm it before believeing it, this does not seem like a deal Hammond would do.

[gobrew23]

Yeah, this contract is worse.

 

Gadz was young and had upside and played a position much more in demand. He had teams(Hawks) that we're gonna give him a similar deal if we didn't.

 

Gooden is 29, could only fetch a 1 yr deal last year, and was traded at the deadline by a legitimate contender. No surprise they (Mavs) got better once he left either.

 

I might be a tad biased. I'd be leery if this was a one year deal. Gooden isn't any better than Ers or LRMAM.

 

 

He is a completely different type of player than Ers or LRMAM. I think this gives us a much bigger presence a PF and makes our depth fantastic. Again, I'm not crazy about the 5 years, but I don't think it's terrible.

 

Hammonds has tried to trade for Gooden in the past and now signed him to this deal, so obviously he sees something he likes. And at this point I'm giving the benefit of doubt to Hammonds on almost any move.

[samwise]

Jefferson is one of several guys who are opting out of deals likely to pay them more than they will get elsewhere. With those guys, especially ones who have already gotten their big contract like Jefferson, it's about a ring. They are opting out hoping to sign with a team that LeBron and/or D-Wade and/or Bosh and/or Boozer/etc. is going to. I think there is more to the possibility that two of the aforementioned players end up on the same team, and a guy like RJ who has already made $60+M in his career would love to go to that team even at a lower salary because of the chance of getting a ring.

I don't think that is the reasoning. I think guys like RJ and Pierce are opting out is because of the upcoming new CBA. The new CBA will shrink the cap and limit the amount of years players will get. A guy like Pierce is willing to give up his 21.5 of 1 year to get a longer deal that will pay him more over the long run. Something like 3 years 35 million. If you are RJ and you are looking at 28 million remaining on 2 years, doesn't it make sense to opt out now, get a 4 year 36 million dollar contract? The money will not be there in 2 years. It is there now.

 

Things will be very different once the new CBA kicks in. Stern is going to kill the players in negotiations. He will get lower salaries and fewer guaranteed years. Why? For many teams the current business model loses money. Trying to attract investors to a business model that loses money (I know these are very very very wealthy people, but no one enjoys losing money) is a difficult task.

[Paulus88]

This deal shocks me. I consider Gooden a hollow stats guy but it seemed like the Bucks were his likely destination. I imagined the Bucks were looking for someone to take the Thomas role only with a better midrange game. Instead it seems they envision a larger role here. There is no reason to pay 32m over 5 for Kurt Thomas' role. My question is why do this when you already have Ersan and Sanders as the future? This makes no sense, I question if the contract figures are legitimate.

[Nader Raider Tim]

http://www.slamonline.com...ts-to-play-in-milwaukee/

[Hofbraunhaus]

The fact that he wanted to come play here makes this contract look even worse. The general thought is that you have to overpay a little bit more in order to get a player to come to a city like Milwaukee but clearly he was already open to the idea. I am really hoping a lot of the money is non guaranteed. I am sure he will be a good player the next couple of years but this contract could look really bad after that.

[I Heart Brewers]

Does this make the Sanders pick a bit more peculiar? I would think Babbit would have made a ton more sense now if this deal really is for 5 years. There seems to be quite a log jam at PF.

[homer]

I've heard it's a 5 year deal but the last two are team options. So really it's 3 years. Also, some guy on JSOnline claims the Bucks have also signed Salmons. He says its a done deal. He's been right before on some Brewer stuff.

[gobrew23]

I've heard it's a 5 year deal but the last two are team options. So really it's 3 years. Also, some guy on JSOnline claims the Bucks have also signed Salmons. He says its a done deal. He's been right before on some Brewer stuff.

 

 

That would be awesome if it's only 3 years guaranteed. That would make me like the signing even more. Hopefully there will be some news on Salmons today.