Milwaukee Bucks Thread 2009–2010 (part 2)

[crewcrazy]

Gallon is on the FTD bandwagon:

 

"If you don't fear nothin in the world ... You gone #FearTheDeer about 1 hour ago via Echofon"

 

Amazing to think that MKE is starting to be a place where players actually want to play.

I think a lot of it has to do with Brandon Jennings. John Hammond was actually on Brewers Live the other night talking about the pre-draft workouts and he mentioned how every player he talked to said something along the lines of "Oh yeah, me and Brandon are close," "We go way back," etc. Hammond said Jennings has the kind of personality that makes everyone feel like his best friend, and even if they don't know him, they know his style of play and the idea of playing with him is an attractive one.

 

I never could've predicted this a year ago...I was one of the guys that hated the idea of drafting a teenager who turned pro overseas instead of going to college, not really knowing if his game was NBA-ready or the kind of guy he is. I thought he'd be the type that would hate playing for Milwaukee and would bolt the first chance he got. It looks like I was wrong on so many levels, but I'm glad that I was. He just seems like an awesome guy all around.

[trwi7]

Sessions is possible, though unlikely, due to his multi-year deal.

 

Why is it unlikely because of that? You're not going to get a backup PG worth anything on a one year deal.

[FVBrewerFan]

It is nice to see CDR, Sanders, and Gallon are genuinely excited about coming to Milwaukee. There was a poll in SI or ESPN recently that showed Milwaukee was the last place NBA players wanted to go. I do think Jennings and the whole FTD thing is catching on.

 

Now, on the draft. I think our immediate reaction to any player is what they give you on offense. The Bucks look at defense first. And it became obvious the Bucks needed not only size, but athletic size to get to the next level. Sanders needs to polish his offensive game, but he should be able to help out immediately on the defensive end. The draft and recent trades added athletic size to the 2/3 positions as well. Do they still need a PG? Sure, but that's not a big problem. Get Ridnour hopefully, or there are guys that can be had in FA or a minor trade.

 

This won't be a jump shooting team anymore, and that's a good thing. They lived and died by the 3 too much last year. Now you'll see guys who can get into the lane and get to the line, which is exactly what they need to do.

[dadofandrew]

With the Bucks salary cap/payroll situation, they'll stick to one-year deals unless they are picking up a difference maker. With the exceptions available, they'll be able to find a decent PG for a single year, well, hopefully. Ridnour might sign for one year, who knows? The days of reserves signing 3y/$17M deals are all but gone. Google "nba free agents" and you'll find about 150 guys. There are about 10 stars, 20 above average, solid guys; and the rest are role players. All it takes is one.

[trwi7]

I see no way Ridnour signs for one year. Once again, decent free agent don't sign one year deals. It's the scrubs like Royal Ivey who are just trying to hang around the league for a while longer who sign one year deals. Or old guys.

[dadofandrew]

Just depends what else they can find. Everyone wants to sign for big guaranteed money, but many are unable to. Probably half the free agents on that list are coming off one year deals, so many guys sign 'em.

[monkeyman343434]

It seems to me, most of the available cap space this offseason is going to go to all the big stars, and that all of those teams are going to have to try and fill their rosters with minimum salary guys. So, if my economics classes of a few years ago hold true, there will be a bunch of role players available, but not much $$$ to hand out, so I think it's very possible to get a solid backup PG (ridnour or someone else - a little better, a little worse, who knows) for a very reasonable deal, it might not be a 1 year deal, but 2 or 3 years at a reasonable amount would be obtainable i think.

[Baldkin]

With the fear of the CBA changing big-time next year looming large, I feel like this season could be a lot like the 2008 MLB off season, and find a lot of players wanting bigger/longer contracts but teams not willing to dish out the dollars for them.

[trwi7]

Keyon Dooling was waived by the Nets. If we can't re-sign Ridnour, he would be a nice option. I bet Skiles would love him. He's 6'3, can hit 3s and plays defense.

[FVBrewerFan]

May be a reach, but Skiles made a comment about Hobson having PG skills. I'm sure they'll still sign another PG, but Hobson could play PG in certain situations...but that remains to be seen. I like Dooling.

[trwi7]

I'd use Hobson as 3rd PG. He's not a PG that he could be a backup, but his skill set saves you from having to spend on a 3rd PG.

[Baldkin]

Exactly, Hobson could very well fit the Charlie Bell/Royal Ivey role this season.

[Diskono]

Hobson should get plenty of PG minutes in Vegas, so we'll get a little bit of an idea what he can do. If he can pull it off, that would be fantastic.

[dadofandrew]

Dooling is a near perfect example of a generic backup PG, who does have some skills (size, 3 pt shot) that seems to have appeal in MIL. Probably will sign a 1y deal.

[danzig6767]

I'd use Hobson as 3rd PG. He's not a PG that he could be a backup, but his skill set saves you from having to spend on a 3rd PG.

Skiles won't go into next year with a rookie 2nd round SG as his 3rd string PG. Whoever that 3rd string PG is, he won't see the court much so i understand the appeal of having someone else on the roster like Hobson having the job. All it would take though is an injury to Jennings where he had to miss a 3-5 weeks and suddenly that 3rd string PG will need to play around 10-20 minutes a game. I'd be shocked if Skiles would trust that role with a kid like Hobson.

 

My guess is the 3rd string PG job will go to some fringe guy who makes the league minimum, but who is really a PG unless Hobson absolutely wows Skiles/Hammond in Summer League and camp.

[danzig6767]

With the Bucks salary cap/payroll situation, they'll stick to one-year deals unless they are picking up a difference maker. With the exceptions available, they'll be able to find a decent PG for a single year, well, hopefully. Ridnour might sign for one year, who knows? The days of reserves signing 3y/$17M deals are all but gone. Google "nba free agents" and you'll find about 150 guys. There are about 10 stars, 20 above average, solid guys; and the rest are role players. All it takes is one.

Ridnour isn't going to sign for just one year. Sure, a sizable number of the free agents who project to be bench players in the NBA will be stuck getting only one year deals. The guys though that legitimately can be considered upper tier bench players will still be able to cash in multi-year deals because GM's realize that you need some quality bench players in your top 8-9 man rotation to be a good team over a long 82 game season. Ridnour will be viewed like that.

 

Once teams though get into filling out their 10th through rest of the bench guys, yea those guys generally get stuck having to accept one year deals at 1.5 million to the league minimum. Obviously the quality of a teams starting five is by far the biggest key to success in the NBA, but the top 3-4 guys off the bench can also be pretty important because they'll also play quite a few minutes even on a healthy roster. If/when injuries hit, those 3-4 bench players become even more important. If they are all cheap scrubs, they'll quickly get exposed as such.

[trwi7]

Skiles won't go into next year with a rookie 2nd round SG as his 3rd string PG.

He started off last year with Ukic as the 3rd string PG. He wasn't a rookie, but he was only in his 2nd year and was also a 2nd round pick and more of an SG.

[tigerbrew]

I sure wouldn't mind having Hobson as the 3rd PG. I think he has the skills to play PG and with his length advantage he will probably shoot over most PGs guarding him.

 

I think Ridnour will probably cost too much to re-sign and unlikely to return. For me, I still like Sessions and like to have him back as 2nd PG. I think he's a good PG, younger and costs less than Ridnour.

[LouisEly]

If someone goes down they can trade a 2nd round pick for someone else's backup PG.

 

Here's a thought... would you do this, and would it make sense?

 

My understanding is that with the free agent deadline looming, if a team doesn't do a sign-and-trade they will lose those free agents without any compensation. So... on the verge of losing Chris Bosh, the Raptors do a sign-and-trade with Milwaukee:

 

Bucks get: Bosh, Toronto's backup PG Jarrett Jack

 

Toronto gets: Sanders, one or two first round picks, Redd to balance the salary

 

Bucks get Bosh's production for the same salary as they are paying Redd and get the PF they need, and get a backup PG; Jack is a decent 3-point shooter (41.2% last year, 35.6% career). Toronto gets something in return for Bosh instead of letting him walk for nothing (Sanders and one or two first round picks), and are only on the hook for Redd for one year or could trade him as an expiring contract. Bosh has said he wants to go to a team where he will be a true PF and not an undersized C - Bucks have Bogut at the 5 so Bosh can be a true 4.

 

Would that make sense, and would you be willing to take on a max contract for Bosh?

[tigerbrew]

My understanding is that with the free agent deadline looming, if a team doesn't do a sign-and-trade they will lose those free agents without any compensation. So... on the verge of losing Chris Bosh, the Raptors do a sign-and-trade with Milwaukee:

 

Bucks get: Bosh, Toronto's backup PG Jarrett Jack

 

Toronto gets: Sanders, one or two first round picks, Redd to balance the salary

 

Bucks get Bosh's production for the same salary as they are paying Redd and get the PF they need, and get a backup PG; Jack is a decent 3-point shooter (41.2% last year, 35.6% career). Toronto gets something in return for Bosh instead of letting him walk for nothing (Sanders and one or two first round picks), and are only on the hook for Redd for one year or could trade him as an expiring contract. Bosh has said he wants to go to a team where he will be a true PF and not an undersized C - Bucks have Bogut at the 5 so Bosh can be a true 4.

 

Would that make sense, and would you be willing to take on a max contract for Bosh?

Yes I would, in a heartbeat if this is possible.

 

 

[Baldkin]

The question is, can the Bucks win a title with Bosh as their best player?

Sure, I'd do the trade, but 6 years of Bosh at a max deal is a long, long time.

... but in reality, there's no way Bosh would want to play for the Bucks. He'll be playing along side LeBron or Wade.

[danzig6767]

Skiles won't go into next year with a rookie 2nd round SG as his 3rd string PG.

He started off last year with Ukic as the 3rd string PG. He wasn't a rookie, but he was only in his 2nd year and was also a 2nd round pick and more of an SG.

We'll see, maybe Hobson looks fabulous in Summer League and camp. My point is quasi running the half court offense at New Mexico is a vastly different animal than playing PG in the NBA. If NBA coaches got even a sniff that Hobson couldn't handle strong on ball pressure, they'll pressure him relentlessly in the backcourt and trap him once he gets the ball passed half court. That's one reason why Skiles rarely trusted Bell playing PG, he really struggles with strong on ball pressure defense. Being able to handle pressure like that in college is vastly easier because most college teams aren't loaded with tall and long great athletes like nearly every NBA team has.

[danzig6767]

If someone goes down they can trade a 2nd round pick for someone else's backup PG.

 

Here's a thought... would you do this, and would it make sense?

 

My understanding is that with the free agent deadline looming, if a team doesn't do a sign-and-trade they will lose those free agents without any compensation. So... on the verge of losing Chris Bosh, the Raptors do a sign-and-trade with Milwaukee:

 

Bucks get: Bosh, Toronto's backup PG Jarrett Jack

 

Toronto gets: Sanders, one or two first round picks, Redd to balance the salary

 

Bucks get Bosh's production for the same salary as they are paying Redd and get the PF they need, and get a backup PG; Jack is a decent 3-point shooter (41.2% last year, 35.6% career). Toronto gets something in return for Bosh instead of letting him walk for nothing (Sanders and one or two first round picks), and are only on the hook for Redd for one year or could trade him as an expiring contract. Bosh has said he wants to go to a team where he will be a true PF and not an undersized C - Bucks have Bogut at the 5 so Bosh can be a true 4.

 

Would that make sense, and would you be willing to take on a max contract for Bosh?

You're forgetting the most important aspect, getting Bosh to choose playing in Milwaukee over multiple other more appealing destinations for young athletes. Bosh ain't picking Milwaukee.

[LouisEly]

FTD seems to be pretty appealing to the young hoopsters nowadays...

[jjkoestler]

Let's say the Heat makes a run at Bosh and James. They would need to clear salary which more than likely would mean trading Michael Beasley. Do you think he would be a good fit for the Bucks? What would it take to land him? Do you think the other teams in the NBA would refuse to help the Heat shed salary?