Milwaukee Bucks Thread 2009–2010 (part 2)

[TooLiveBrew]

If it doesn't work, the Bucks are left with another fairly big contract they'll want to unload.

 

I think it's another solid move from Hammond, especially with the draft pick included. It seems there are always teams out there looking to acquire expiring contracts, so the last season shouldn't handcuff the Bucks too badly. Let's just hope Maggette is a good fit with this squad, and will be willing to be a complementary player instead of trying to be the star.

 

How is Maggette defensively? If the Bucks could get good defense from him, too, this would be an ideal pickup.

[Baldkin]

I really see the Bucks making another move. Perhaps trying to pry Kevin Love (or maybe even Al Jefferson) away from Minnesota. As the T-Wolves look to be drafting DeMarcus Cousins.

 

Who knows if they can pull something like that off, but I'd love to see it.

 

As for Maggette, it boils down to a 15M deal over 3 years, they actually save 1.5 million this year, which may be used to sign Ridnour. His stats on GSW are very inflated, due to 1) them not having much scoring options and 2) him being a very inefficient scorer -- some guys just shouldn't shoot 3's. He's one of them.

 

I'd imagine him sliding in and providing 12-15ppg for the Bucks, which is great, especially if he can keep grabbing 5 boards a game.

[trwi7]

So the Bucks would get the 18th pick and give up what? I'm not connecting on this deal with Miami.

Just money and a traded player exception. Miami wants as much cap space as possible so they don't want the cap hold of the pick or Cook's salary. So we use the TPE from the Elson trade to absorb Cook's salary while buying their pick for $3 million.

 

Clears over $2.5 million for them.

 

[MarquesJohnson2000]

Maggette took only 50 3-pt shots last season and shot over 51% overall, I don't think that's inefficient.

[trwi7]

His stats on GSW are very inflated, due to 1) them not having much scoring options and 2) him being a very inefficient scorer -- some guys just shouldn't shoot 3's. He's one of them.

1. Even with all of their injuries, the Warriors had a slightly above average offense last year and were a top 10 offense the year before that. Curry, Ellis and Morrow were all scoring options for them as well as Maggette.

 

2. About Maggette being an inefficient scorer. He's 45th in NBA history in TS% ahead of guys like Dirk Nowitzki, Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, Pau Gasol, Carlos Boozer, Ray Allen, Kevin Durant, Danny Granger, Moses Malone, Michael Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Oscar Robertson, George Gervin, LeBron James, Deron Williams and James Worthy.

 

 

[wibadgers23]

Baldkin[/b]]I really see the Bucks making another move. Perhaps trying to pry Kevin Love (or maybe even Al Jefferson) away from Minnesota. As the T-Wolves look to be drafting DeMarcus Cousins.

Really? Every indication is that Minnesota will draft Wesley Johnson or Derrick Favors. Whatever the T'Wolves do, I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up. Anyway, I would love it if the Bucks got Love.

[homer]

Maggette took only 50 3-pt shots last season and shot over 51% overall, I don't think that's inefficient.

Agreed. Maggette was really good last year on offense. The only questions I have are:

 

a) how is he on defense?

b) is he willing to make the extra pass on offense? Which I guess is part of a larger question as to whether or not he will break up the great chemistry this team had in the second half last year.

[MarquesJohnson2000]

I know a guy who is a Laker fan and therefore pays a lot more attention to the West than I do; he claims Maggette is a "more than decent" perimeter defender.

 

Most of the guys on the radio seem to think he's a selfish player on offense.

[endaround]

That's because he was 10 years ago at Duke when they last actually paid any attention to him.

[Menotti80]

homer,

 

if he isn't a good defender, he better learn to play defense or at least be busting his butt trying, or he wont see enough floor time to get a another decent contract after the next 3 years are up...

 

you'd think that would be some motivation to play defense or make the extra pass to help your team win...

[FVBrewerFan]

I'm convinced most NBA players CAN play good defense, or even great defense. They just need to be motivated to do so. Since this coach and team both demand it, I don't see that as an issue. Man, I didn't notice the CDR news, that's a nice addition too! So money aside, you basically have:

 

- Salmons, Stack

+ Maggette, CDR

 

I see that as pretty close to a draw, but more upside potential with CDR. Getting Ridnour back would be a big vicory at this point as well. If they can get him back, this team is pretty close to the same as last year, BUT there's still the draft and other trade potential. So I expect them to end up a little deeper offensively, and that's what they needed- along with another big man to help out Bogut, and I'm sure that's coming soon.

[homer]

Let's bear in mind that neither CDR nor Maggette shoot the three very well at all. Bucks are still in need of a true outside scoring threat.

[Baldkin]

Baldkin[/b]]I really see the Bucks making another move. Perhaps trying to pry Kevin Love (or maybe even Al Jefferson) away from Minnesota. As the T-Wolves look to be drafting DeMarcus Cousins.

Really? Every indication is that Minnesota will draft Wesley Johnson or Derrick Favors. Whatever the T'Wolves do, I'm sure they'll find a way to screw it up. Anyway, I would love it if the Bucks got Love.

It looks like Cousins will fall to them, with the Nyets taking Johnson. I don't have a real source for the rumor, really. Just heard that the T-Wolves were looking to move one of their two PF's, perhaps to aquire a second first round pick.

[Gobias Industries]

Well, pick #18 is out. OKC just trumped our offer.

 

The Bulls and Celtics (#17 & #19) are still out there though. Still a lot of options for Hammond.

 

As for Maggette, he isn't a very good defender from what I've seen. But as others have said, defense is much more of a team concept as long as the player isn't limited athletically. I'd expect him to be an avg defender with us.

[LouisEly]

Maggette can be a me first guy to some extent

The Bucks will also need a go-to guy if Salmons leaves - you need someone with the guts to take things into their own hands late in games. There is a fine line between selfish and being a go-to guy.

 

His stats on GSW are very inflated, due to 1) them not having much scoring options and 2) him being a very inefficient scorer -- some guys just shouldn't shoot 3's.

 

Incorrect on both counts. Maggette was only the third highest scorer on their team last year - Curry and Ellis scored more points, and they had 11 guys average double digits PPG when they played for the Warriors. Also, Maggette only started 49 games - he came off the bench in 21 others. He also did this in only 29.7 minutes per game.

 

Also, defense is a team game. If no one else on the team is playing defense, why should you? Put Maggette on a team that plays good defense and let's see what happens.

[Katuluu]

It looks like Cousins will fall to them, with the Nyets taking Johnson. I don't have a real source for the rumor, really. Just heard that the T-Wolves were looking to move one of their two PF's, perhaps to aquire a second first round pick.

There is no chance the T-Wolves take Cousins as he refused to work out for them and has straight up told them he doesn't want to play for them. If the Nets take Johnson they will happily take Favors.

 

And you wouldn't want either Love or Jefferson, as neither gives a damn about defense.

[danzig6767]

It looks like Cousins will fall to them, with the Nyets taking Johnson. I don't have a real source for the rumor, really. Just heard that the T-Wolves were looking to move one of their two PF's, perhaps to aquire a second first round pick.

There is no chance the T-Wolves take Cousins as he refused to work out for them and has straight up told them he doesn't want to play for them. If the Nets take Johnson they will happily take Favors.

 

And you wouldn't want either Love or Jefferson, as neither gives a damn about defense.

I think Love tries somewhat on defense, but he has serious athletic limitations as a power forward, especially in today's NBA where a lot of the PF's are athletic face up guys instead of back to the basket bruisers. Besides that, teams often go small and Love ends up having to guard guys like Corey Maggette for stretches. He is a top 5 rebounder in the game though and can provide spacing with his ability to shoot. I think he can be a valuable player on a good team, but Love has to be paired next to a good defensive center and Bogut does fit that description. Having him paired next to Jefferson though is a recipe for the paint being attacked at will.

[Baldkin]

It looks like Cousins will fall to them, with the Nyets taking Johnson. I don't have a real source for the rumor, really. Just heard that the T-Wolves were looking to move one of their two PF's, perhaps to aquire a second first round pick.

There is no chance the T-Wolves take Cousins as he refused to work out for them and has straight up told them he doesn't want to play for them. If the Nets take Johnson they will happily take Favors.

You mean sort of like Ricky Rubio did last year? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

[danzig6767]

If it doesn't work, the Bucks are left with another fairly big contract they'll want to unload.

 

I think it's another solid move from Hammond, especially with the draft pick included. It seems there are always teams out there looking to acquire expiring contracts, so the last season shouldn't handcuff the Bucks too badly. Let's just hope Maggette is a good fit with this squad, and will be willing to be a complementary player instead of trying to be the star.

How is Maggette defensively? If the Bucks could get good defense from him, too, this would be an ideal pickup.

From what i've read by Warriors/Clippers fans, Maggette isn't terrible defensively, but it certainly isn't his strong suit. That said, my hopes are that he can be at least somewhat better defensively ride on

 

1. He spent the last few years playing in Don Nelson's street ball fun and gun style of play where nobody defended. That kind of culture where almost nobody defends helps lead to nobody defending. Hopefully once Maggette gets here and sees everyone else defending hard and taking it seriously, peer pressure and any personal pride he has leads to him also taking defense more seriously.

 

2. Skiles. In his two years as head coach, Bucks fans have clearly seen that he isn't like some coaches who say that their teams will defend hard, but it's little more than lip service as players don't defend hard and yet still get their 30 plus minutes. Under Skiles, if a guy plays lazy defense, he gets yanked from the game regardless of it's the best players on the team. Hell, in Skiles first year, i remember him yanking Bogut once after about only 2 minutes into a game for not hustling on defense. When Skiles says if you don't defend hard you don't play, it's not lip service to the media, he flat out means it. Maggette will quickly find out he's not in Golden St. anymore come training camp and the first time he doesn't hustle back on defense or say is lazy fighting around a screen. The next stoppage in play will have him sitting on the pine.

[jjfanec]

It looks like Cousins will fall to them, with the Nyets taking Johnson. I don't have a real source for the rumor, really. Just heard that the T-Wolves were looking to move one of their two PF's, perhaps to aquire a second first round pick.

There is no chance the T-Wolves take Cousins as he refused to work out for them and has straight up told them he doesn't want to play for them. If the Nets take Johnson they will happily take Favors.

 

And you wouldn't want either Love or Jefferson, as neither gives a damn about defense.

I read last night that Favors begrudgingly came to Minnesota for a workout, and then their GM bashed him for being out of shape. The writer said it really strained the relationship with Favors and Minnesota. He said that Turner and Johnson being gone was a nightmare scenario for Minnesota, because neither Favors or Cousins want to go to the TWolves

[Corn Trader]

I watch a ton of GS games (I'm sort of in love with Monta Ellis) and Maggette seems to be getting a pretty bad rap compared to what I've seen. Do people realize that a good portion of the time Maggette was on the floor last year, Nelly was making him cover the 4? Their small ball included playing their 6'6" shooting guard/small forward taking guys much bigger than him. As a one on one defender, he's extremely strong for his size and won't get bullied by anyone.

 

I also don't see a lot of the negatives people are seeing with Al Jefferson. Coming off a serious knee injury last year, he never quite got back up to speed, but two years ago, he was one of the most promising young big men in the league. 23 and 11 with almost 2 blocks a game? I almost can't believe the kind of garbage that teams are offering for him that the Wolves are considering. I wish we had something to offer other than Michael Redd's corpse to get in on it. The Wolves are the most inept franchise in the league right now and look to be ripe for the picking

[Katuluu]

It looks like Cousins will fall to them, with the Nyets taking Johnson. I don't have a real source for the rumor, really. Just heard that the T-Wolves were looking to move one of their two PF's, perhaps to aquire a second first round pick.

There is no chance the T-Wolves take Cousins as he refused to work out for them and has straight up told them he doesn't want to play for them. If the Nets take Johnson they will happily take Favors.

 

And you wouldn't want either Love or Jefferson, as neither gives a damn about defense.

I read last night that Favors begrudgingly came to Minnesota for a workout, and then their GM bashed him for being out of shape. The writer said it really strained the relationship with Favors and Minnesota. He said that Turner and Johnson being gone was a nightmare scenario for Minnesota, because neither Favors or Cousins want to go to the TWolves

http://www.kare11.com/spo...icle.aspx?storyid=853042

 

Kahn's statement is being blown way out of proportion by bloggers. As for begrudgingly coming to Minnesota, that's simply not true.

Unlike some prospects, Favors is not being picky about where he

goes. He's eager to show he's more than just a defensive presence in

the paint. "I'll work out for whoever calls and asks, and not even just in the top five," he said.

 

Most of the beat writers in town think all of this is being done specifically so New Jersey will pass on Favors so the T-Wolves can draft him.

[Gobias Industries]

I'd love to have Love, but no way to Al Jefferson. We need a 4 that can stretch the floor, and Jefferson definitely cannot do that. He's strictly a post player.

 

FWIW, Love and Jennings are also best friends.

[jjfanec]

http://www.kare11.com/spo...icle.aspx?storyid=853042

 

Kahn's statement is being blown way out of proportion by bloggers. As for begrudgingly coming to Minnesota, that's simply not true.

Unlike some prospects, Favors is not being picky about where he

goes. He's eager to show he's more than just a defensive presence in

the paint. "I'll work out for whoever calls and asks, and not even just in the top five," he said.

 

Most of the beat writers in town think all of this is being done specifically so New Jersey will pass on Favors so the T-Wolves can draft him.

Thanks for the clarification. I was just going off what I read on a draft website last night. It will be interesting to see what happens. Minnesota needs help pretty much everywhere except pg so they could go any direction.

[Gobias Industries]

Tonight's the big night. Who do you guys want with the 15th?

 

My preference of guys who might be there are:

 

1) L Babbitt

2) P Patterson

3) X Henry

4) A Bradley

5) L Sanders

6) G Hayward

 

A few rumors going around that Aminu from Wake might be in for a slide. One mock has him going to the Bucks. That would be great value, but I highly doubt it actually happens.