Milwaukee Bucks Thread 2009–2010 (part 2)

[Baldkin]

The best thing about Skiles is, he'll have no qualms about benching a guy if he doesn't buy in. Shocked the Bucks got another 2nd rounder. Simply awesome. Team gets younger with a shot at pulling someone else who might stick in the draft.

 

Maggette can be a good piece, if he buys into the offense, and doesn't shoot 3's. This can slide Delfino away from playing the 3, and into playing more 2-guard which seems like his more natural position.

[homer]

I have a feeling the Bucks will do some dealing tomorrow. Four picks to use as bait.

[trwi7]

I am absolutely fine with this deal. Also rumors that the Bucks are also trying to get a second 1st rounder.

[davego]

Too bad John is going to go, but if they can add a guard off the bench via the draft...I like all this Delfino is much better on both O and D @ the 2. This could be good...

[yount19.u]

The response on the trade I just got from a friend here at work who is a big Warriors fan was, "Oh thank God." I asked if he really thought he was that bad and his response to that was, "We used to call him 'Uh-oh Maggette-O'."

 

I'll try to stay optimistic. It is only one opinion.

After one season of watching Spaz Hands, I think they'll miss Uh-oh Maggette-O. Good trade for the Bucks. This should be a fun draft to follow with all the picks they now have.

[nodakfan17]

I have a feeling the Bucks will do some dealing tomorrow. Four picks to use as bait.

I am in total agreement. I'd like to see the Bucks trade #s 44 and 47 for a pick in the 31-35 range. I doubt that they will draft 4 players on Thursday.

 

[dadofandrew]

I've read several times many teams would prefer a couple 2nd round picks to a mid-late 1st round pick, as the draft is deep, and 2nd round picks do not get guaranteed deals. They rarely do them, however, because the fan base would not get it.

[Diskono]

Looks like we're trading a 2nd rounder to NJ for Chris Douglas-Roberts. He seems pretty excited.

[homer]

What does FTD mean?

 

 

Oh, Fear the Deer.

 

I'm dumb.

[TooLiveBrew]

What does FTD mean?

 

 

Oh, Fear the Deer.

 

I'm dumb.

I didn't get it at first, either. Pretty cool that it caught on so well, and to see a player so excited about coming to Milwaukee.

[Gobias Industries]

I like the trades for the most part. And a big part of it is because this means Salmons is gone.

 

He was good for us, but he was a selfish/me-first player on offense. It didn't seem bad because he shot at a good clip with us, but no way do I sign him for what he wants (4 years). At least with the trade, we were able to shed some deadweight.

 

Like twirl mentioned, the bucks are trying to get the Heat's 18th overall pick, for basically ng'd contracts. If we can do that, draft well, and sign Mike Miler, I'll give Hambone an A+.

[dadofandrew]

Every team needs a go to guy. When the clock's running down, I hope they're selfish enough to realize they need to shoot the ball.

[trwi7]

Salmons isn't necessarily gone.

[danzig6767]

I've read several times many teams would prefer a couple 2nd round picks to a mid-late 1st round pick, as the draft is deep, and 2nd round picks do not get guaranteed deals. They rarely do them, however, because the fan base would not get it.

That would be totally incorrect with almost all mid-first rounders. In the cases of really late first rounders, teams who lack the cap space, don't want to use cap space on a rookie, and/or don't like any of the players when they'd be picking in the late 20's, then yea they'll sometimes just get rid of the pick. Usually these are the top teams in the league. Not sure what you're talking about though with this line, ""They rarely do them, however, because the fan base would not get it." Teams bail out of late first rounders all the time and many of their fans entirely get why. It's not hard to understand why. Hell, sometimes they don't even bother with getting anything back in return, they'll sell the pick for straight up cash in the 3 million range.

 

The NBA in the last CBA changed how rookie contracts go and now teams only have to guarantee the first two seasons, the final three years are team options. This makes first round picks more attractive, even late first round ones because in the past NBA teams had to guarantee the first 3 or 4 years, i forget exactly. For example, the 29th pick last years draft only got 1 million as his first year rookie salary. This year he's only guaranteed 1.1 million. After that, the Knicks hold team options for the next three years at 1.2/2.1/3.1 million. It leaves very little financial risk for the team, basically a 2yr/2.1 million dollar contract. If he doesn't pan out, the team can just waive the guy after those first two years. If though the guy shows promise and is productive over those five years, the Knicks will have got Douglas for only 8.5 million over those five years, a fabulous bargain.

 

On the flip side, if say Douglas went early second round and became a player, he'd likely be a free agent after only year two or three because that's the norm contract for 2nd round picks. Plus, you'd maybe save only 200-500 grand each of those first two years depending on the draft slot, compared to if the player had gone later 1st round. That all said, if a draft is considered deep like this years draft is, later firsts and early second rounders will be in more demand than in years where a draft isn't considered deep, last year being the case.

[danzig6767]

I like the trades for the most part. And a big part of it is because this means Salmons is gone.

 

He was good for us, but he was a selfish/me-first player on offense. It didn't seem bad because he shot at a good clip with us, but no way do I sign him for what he wants (4 years). At least with the trade, we were able to shed some deadweight.

 

Like twirl mentioned, the bucks are trying to get the Heat's 18th overall pick, for basically ng'd contracts. If we can do that, draft well, and sign Mike Miler, I'll give Hambone an A+.

If they get the 18th pick from Miami, it's quite possible that Hammond could get a jump shooter like Henry or James Anderson out of one of the two picks along with a big man from the other pick. That's my hope at least, unless somehow Paul George slipped to 15, but i doubt it. This draft though seems to have quite a bit of depth among the 10-20 pick range, maybe even to 25. So with so many players considered close in ability, it seems really tough to peg who will be there at 15 and 18 if we did get the Miami pick.

 

I always enjoy watching any draft, but i'm particularly curious to see how this years NBA draft plays out both for the Bucks and just overall. If Hammond does a good job, the Bucks could ad some real contributors for the future and hopefully some help for next year.

[phxMILWfan]

Just curious about the rumored trade with the Heat... I can't find any info on it. Any links? What would the Bucks give up?

[trwi7]

It's in the total rumor stage. Yahoo is saying the Heat are willing to trade their pick for more cap space.

 

The Bucks could use the Francisco Elson TPE to absorb the contract of Daequan Cook and then in a seperate deal trade $3 million for the 18th pick. So in essence it would be Cook/18th for TPE/$3 million.

 

That would save the Heat $2,599,620 instantly.

[davego]

So the Bucks would get the 18th pick and give up what? I'm not connecting on this deal with Miami.

[davego]

Not re-signing CV and Sessions was as good a move that Hammonds has made.

[LouisEly]

Gadz - 2.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.4 apg

Bell - 6.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.5 apg

Combined - 9.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg

 

For the same salary they get:

 

Maggette - 19.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.5 apg + 2nd round pick

 

Looks like a pretty darned good deal, as they get a lot more production for their $$. And for Bell to pout like he did in the playoffs and not show up for a meeting/practice/whatever and being a distraction to the team - good riddance. As for Maggette and being a ball hog and defense... well, if you spent the last 10 years playing for the Warriors and Clippers you probably wouldn't have the best attitude either. If he's half as fired up about being a Buck as CD-R is he'll be a great addition. I can't imagine that Maggette won't be ecstatic about going to the Bucks after playing for the Warriors and Clippers. Between Maggette and CD-R they should have the SG spot covered in case Salmons isn't back and Redd isn't healthy, so they can focus on the PF/C spot in the draft.

 

Oh, just saw that Charlie Villanueva was charged with Domestic Assault.

[Corn Trader]

Maggette can be a me first guy to some extent, but im hoping a few random benchings by skiles will keep those in check. What this does give us is a guy who can take his defender one on one and get to the basket. When we lost Bogut, even with Salmons, we became a jump shooting team that could go on loooong stretches without scoring. Maggette gives us an option when the jump shots arent falling. If we can get CDR too, Hammonds has given up very little as far as value and really upgraded our talent level

[crewcrazy]

I love CDR. New Jersey was horrible as a team, but they had some very good young and exciting players and he was one of the guys I enjoyed watching the most. Still not the greatest jumpshooter (that hasn't changed from his days at Memphis), but it's a definite upgrade in the athleticism department.

 

I was totally fine with letting Salmons walk before the past couple days, and now I have qualms about it whatsoever.

[phxMILWfan]

I'm a little surprised that with 3 2nd round picks this year that the 2nd round for CDR is in 2012. Seems even more likely that with 4 picks that Hammonds will make another move if not 2. Even if they don't move Redd this team looks good.

[berniebrewer4life]

Man, sure seems like hammonds knows what he is doing. I can't wait to see what moves he makes tomorrow.

[FVBrewerFan]

Gadz - 2.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 0.4 apg

Bell - 6.5 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.5 apg

Combined - 9.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg

 

For the same salary they get:

 

Maggette - 19.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 2.5 apg + 2nd round pick

 

 

 

Well, it's not for the same salary, but I get your point. Basically, it's an extra $5MM for Maggette over the next two years vs Gadz/Bell. That's a great deal. Only problem is the 3rd year when Maggette will still have $10MM (roughly) left on his contract. If he's productive and fits into the team concept, that price will be reasonable. If it doesn't work, the Bucks are left with another fairly big contract they'll want to unload.

 

As for Thursday, the Bucks have a lot of ways they can go. They can trade their 2nd round picks for an addl 1st, then trade both firsts to move up into the lottery. Or, they could trade their 2nd rounders for a first round pick next year. Of course, they could trade picks for current players. Should be real interesting.