Milwaukee Bucks Thread 2009–2010 (part 2)

[rwa12]

I don't see the comparison to Alexander? JA was an athlete with limited basketball ability, I think GH is really the opposite. He is a scorer, whose athleticism is questioned. While I don't care for him, I think he is absolutely a Top 20 player. The draft this year is about 5 deep. After those 5, the differences are purely preference, IMO. I like Henry in that pick as a scorer, I like Babbitt, but he is rocketing up boards, and doubt he'll be available. So long as we don't draft Whiteside, I'm happy. We've already taken Marcus Haislip once. Nothing scares me in the draft more than athleticism with no BBall IQ. Hayward may not be a star, but his ability will make him a role player on a team. I don't think you get a real game changer at #15 in this draft. At that stage, everyone has glaring holes in their game. I'm actually more excited to see who they get with the pick from Philly in the second. I like this draft for depth, not great on star power deep. Hayward bombed in the Finals, but he was a HUGE reason why they were there in the first place.

[yoshii8]

So, QL who do you like w/ the 15th pick if Babbit, George and Henry are all gone? I think you are really underestimating Hayward's basketball pedigree, he has been great at every level, and was one of the best players for Team USA in the FIBA U-19 World Championships. I think people look way too much at measurements instead of basketball IQ, his measurments are not that far off Babbits, besides reach. I'd be willing to bet that he will be one of the top 10 players out of this draft a year or two from now.

[craigharmann]

I don't see the comparison to Alexander? JA was an athlete with limited basketball ability, I think GH is really the opposite. He is a scorer, whose athleticism is questioned.

Alexander had athleticism......which you do need to be successful in the NBA. The comparison I have is a decent white guy who starts getting hyped up, and may or may not be that great.

[wallus]

I don't see the comparison to Alexander? JA was an athlete with limited basketball ability, I think GH is really the opposite. He is a scorer, whose athleticism is questioned.

Alexander had athleticism......which you do need to be successful in the NBA. The comparison I have is a decent white guy who starts getting hyped up, and may or may not be that great.

So you compare them because they are both white? I am sorry if I think that is incredibly stupid and borderline racist.

[patrickgpe]

i am starting to become informed of draft prospects and here is what I'm thinking the bucks should do at

 

at 15: if udoh is available I'd take him. He is your 4 of the future and could add a defensive presence inside that the bucks lack. If he is gone I'd take Xavier Henry. The bucks also need perimeter scoring and he could step in at sg if Salmons is not resigned. Another intriguing prospect would be whiteside but that would definitely be a high risk, high reward pick.

 

at 37, if the bucks go big I'd go with jordan crawford or stanley robinson. If they don't maybe they will look at tiny gallon or craig brackens. At 47, i know its a complete homer pick but I'd take Lazar Hayward. I've watched him for 4 years and while he doesn't do anything great, he is a basketball player and definitely is a player that Skiles would like to coach.

 

That being said I could see the bucks packaging one or both 2nd rounders to move up and get an impact player. The problem with that is that after 3 or 4 I don't see much of a dropoff between pick 5 and 15.

[dadofandrew]

Alexander may well have success in the future...many swore Joel Pryzbilla was flat out terrible, and he turned into a decent center, and a defensive stud. That's the problem with the NBA, guys are labeled phenoms at 19 and busts at 22...when they have years until they peak.

[LouisEly]

I think Lazar Hayward profiles better as a pro than most people think, a la Wes Matthews. Lots of people kicking themselves for not drafting Matthews. Hayward seems to fit the mold of the pick-and-roll/isolation/post up NBA player. He routinely guarded guys bigger than him the last two years and is a better defensive player than people think, and has a good post game and outside shot.

 

I'd be really happy with Hayward in the 2nd round. As for #15, I'll take whomever profiles as a big guy who is a good role player and can play defense and rebound, a la Robin Lopez/Marreese Speights/Roy Hibbert (#15/16/17 in 2008), or Jason Thompson (#12 in 2008).

 

A Danny Granger (#17 in 2005) or David Lee (#30 in 2005) would be nice too.

[Mr QL]

As for who I'd want at 15 if Babbit, Henry, and George are gone which I find unlikely assuming without someone else falling like Udoh or Aldrich or whoever, I'd probably look to trade the pick up down or out of the draft, but the question you ask is hard to answer without knowing who is there. Hassan Whiteside, Daniel Orton, Larry Sanders, Patrick Patterson, Ed Davis wouldn't be that bad at 15 I guess. Trading down for Lance Stephenson + a big like Larry Sanders has apparently been discussed and is something I'd def be interested in.

[gobrew23]

Bucks are interested in trading for Corey Maggette.

 

"Now there's some chatter on the NBA grapevine the Bucks may be interested in another small forward - Corey Maggette of the Golden State Warriors.

 

It's no secret the Warriors have Maggette on the trading block - even though he is coming off a quality season in which he was the Warriors' second-leading scorer at 19.8 points a game. He also averaged 5.3 rebounds.

 

But Maggette has a fairly hefty contract - he still has three years, $31 million remaining on it - and the money-conscious Warriors would like to unload it. The speculation is the Bucks are offering the Warriors center Dan Gadzuric, who has one year left on his contract for $7.4M, and guard Charlie Bell ($3.8M)."

 

 

I wouldn't mind this trade. It would be a big upgrade depth-wise. I've heard in the past that Maggette can be a bit of a ball hog, but if Skiles could get him to buy into his system I think this would be a huge help.

[homer]

Maggette has been a ball hog since his days at Duke. I'm not a big fan of his game but as you say if he can buy into Skiles system he'd be a really nice upgrade in the athleticism department.

[rwa12]

I'd be a little surprised to see Maggette buy into anything. On the flip side, he would add a level of athleticism that this team is missing. He could certainly benefit from running with Jennings. Don't like his contract, but it's not awful-awful. He is a scorer, and IF he could buy in, would be a big upgrade, IMO. It would at least give us some more options for the draft, as we wouldn't be so dependent on a scorer. I'm excited for Thursday, I think there will be at least 1 big trade (not necessarily Bucks), and quite a bit of movement in this draft.

[craigharmann]

rwa12 wrote:

I'm excited for Thursday, I think there will be at least 1 big trade (not necessarily Bucks), and quite a bit of movement in this draft.

I think that trade will involve the Spurs. The rumors here are it will either be George Hill or Tony Parker plus their pick for a top 10 pick. I'm not sure how much I like the thought of it, but if I had to pick one, I'd pick Hill to trade. He's a good player, but I see Parker as an elite player. Thursday definitely will be interesting.

[rwa12]

I thought the general consesus on Parker was that the prime had passed, you're one of the first that I've heard express interest in moving Hill instead. I've heard Parker to NJ for some kind of package. Would be interested to see the Spurs involved, as they have been trading down and going international for so long, it's hard for me to remember them being players in the draft. I'm sure someone will pillage Memphis again, and that Minnesota will screw up. Other than that, I'm just curious to see it play out. Read a few places today that Orton is going to plummet a la Blair from last year. Too many worries about his knees.

[gobrew23]

Sounds like the Corey Maggette trade just happened. Don't have a link yet, but there are a couple reports on twitter.

[homer]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/96920999.html

 

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[Invader3K]

I don't know a ton about Maggette, but initial reaction to this trade seems pretty positive.

[I Heart Brewers]

The response on the trade I just got from a friend here at work who is a big Warriors fan was, "Oh thank God." I asked if he really thought he was that bad and his response to that was, "We used to call him 'Uh-oh Maggette-O'."

 

I'll try to stay optimistic. It is only one opinion.

[gobrew23]

You can see Corey Maggette's stats here.

 

Last year he averaged 19.8 ppg, 5.3 rpg and 2.5 apg.

 

EDIT: He has 3 years, $31 million remaining on his contract. If they think he can fill the void that Salmons will be leaving then I think this is a good trade for the Bucks.

[radman12484]

I'm just happy we won't have to see Dan Gadzuric on the team anymore.

[homer]

Always a possibility they flip Maggette for something else.

[Menotti80]

The response on the trade I just got from a friend here at work who is a big Warriors fan was, "Oh thank God." I asked if he really thought he was that bad and his response to that was, "We used to call him 'Uh-oh Maggette-O'."

 

I'll try to stay optimistic. It is only one opinion.

 

 

 

Warriors fans are real creative. Dick vitale used to scream that when maggette was throwing down monsterous dunks over guys at Duke...

[I Heart Brewers]

Per Chad Ford at ESPN the Bucks also get the 44th pick in the draft.

 

"@chadfordinsider Bucks also get 44th pick (the one Portland just traded them) in the deal. Saves GS about $15 million. Salmons unlikely to return to Mil"

[Diskono]

I like it. Hopefully we'll get two more good years out of him, then, we should be able to trade his expiring contract if it looks like he's declining (which I would expect).

[twobrewers]

EDIT: He has 3 years, $31 million remaining on his contract. If they think he can fill the void that Salmons will be leaving then I think this is a good trade for the Bucks.

The Bucks are responsible for $31 million, but saved $16 million by getting rid of Gadzuric and Bell. So the net effect is that we essentially signed Maggette for 3 years and $15 million.

 

Maggette for 3 years at $15 million >>> Salmons for 3 years at $27 million.

 

I was terrified we would overpay for Salmons. The Bucks do lose financial flexibility for 2011, but I think Hammonds recognizes that top free agents aren't going to sign with Milwaukee. The Bucks need to build through the draft and trades.

 

I trust Skiles to get the best from Maggette.

 

Edit: Stupidity

[JJHardy7]

The Brewers are responsible for $31 million, but saved $16 million by getting rid of Gadzuric and Bell. So the net effect is that we essentially signed Maggette for 3 years and $15 million.

 

If the Brewers are on the hook for this, there is no way we'll re-sign Prince!