Per ESPN: Braun Tests Positive, May Face 50 Game Suspension… (Part 3, Appeal underway)

[Patrick425]

I think those guesses are way low. At least 100. It's already at 64 without any real news. Imagine when we actually have some facts to talk about!

[CheezWizHed]

Nostradamus predicted that "the strong man-beer maker will rest 50 days from his labor".

 

I predict this thread will go at least 64 pages (while viewing 20 posts per page).

 

Reporters make all kinds of predictions. When they are right, they can crow about it. When wrong, they blame the mysterious "source". Its their job to draw in readers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have quotas for web page hits (the web version of ratings).

 

I mean, has anyone ever gone back to see how accurate Mel Kiper is really?

[adamb100]

I'm going to guess 110.

[JackNicholson1974]

It is going to be well over 100 pages. Just about every member of this forum is going to have something to say at least once. Heck, I'll say 115 pages.

 

Guys like kurkijan bug me when they add things like "all signs point to guilty" without backing it up with anything at all. A good reporter/journalist who was talking with Kurkijan would have said, "and what signs are those, Tim?" Instead, they come up with some stupid catchphrase.

[monty57]

Reporters make all kinds of predictions.

 

No, reporters report facts and let the viewers make a determination about those facts. Unfortunately, we have very few reporters left in this country.

 

It is kind of funny that one of the biggest "news" stories everyday in sports is that there is no news on Braun. Kind of like the old skit, "In further news... the sky is still blue."

[RightFieldCoder]

I think it depends on what happens. If he's found innocent and they come out with explicit reasons why the arbitrator came up with it, there won't be much more discussion.

 

If the arbitrator comes out and says, "I really don't know. There are arguments for both sides. I'll just stay the judgement of guilty and enforce the suspension," this thread will probably never die.

[Menotti80]

The other day ESPN had a MLB preview, and kurkijan didn't say he is facing suspension, or may be suspended ; he just casually said that Braun will miss the first 50 games of the season.

 

How the heck does ESPN let him get away with that?

[RightFieldCoder]

The other day ESPN had a MLB preview, and kurkijan didn't say he is facing suspension, or may be suspended ; he just casually said that Braun will miss the first 50 games of the season.

 

How the heck does ESPN let him get away with that?

Because people keep watching and reading. I quit the four letter network years ago.

[ilovebeer]

I have not watched that network or gone to there website since this story has broke. Of couse that network is going to say his is gulity, they broke the story and do not want to have egg on there face, when Braun is found not gulilty do any of you think they will apologize for not getting all the correct facts?

[Patrick425]

It is kind of funny that one of the biggest "news" stories everyday in sports is that there is no news on Braun. Kind of like the old skit, "In further news... the sky is still blue."

 

 

Or..Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead

[Warning Track Power]

I have not watched that network or gone to there website since this story has broke. Of couse that network is going to say his is gulity, they broke the story and do not want to have egg on there face, when Braun is found not gulilty do any of you think they will apologize for not getting all the correct facts?

 

While I want Braun to be found not guilty for the obvious reasons, a side benefit will be seeing ESPN with egg on their face and seeing how they spin it. I am guessing with a ton of "BOOYAHS" and screaming.

[brewmann04]

If Braun is not found Guility i turn on ESPN only to see them try to weisel out of their report.

[ilovebeer]

I have been wondering about something, we keep hearing about how many days after the hearing they have before giving there decision and they are beyond that, could Braun's team say you need to drop this since it went beyond the number of days, i wonder if there is something in the cba on the rules of how long you have.

[dhoffman19]

I have been wondering about something, we keep hearing about how many days after the hearing they have before giving there decision and they are beyond that, could Braun's team say you need to drop this since it went beyond the number of days, i wonder if there is something in the cba on the rules of how long you have.

 

The joint drug agreement just says that the panel "shall make all reasonable efforts to close the record at such time so as to permit an Award to issue within 25 days following the opening of the hearing." The way I read this is that there is no 25-day "hard" deadline for them to issue a decision, although it is obviously strongly preferred. So I don't see an argument for Braun to say they have to drop it just b/c the 25 days are up.

[JJHardy7]

How the heck does ESPN let him get away with that?

 

What if ESPN is right and has had a source the whole time?

 

I understand everyone hates ESPN, but it's a stretch to say anything one way or another until this is resolved. There could be the simple reason that they agreed not to name the source like is the case a lot of times.

 

I get the feeling (just my feeling...no sources ) that Braun will be suspended. I will be very happy to find out differently. I just hope it is resolved one way or another soon.

[jjfanec]

How the heck does ESPN let him get away with that?

 

What if ESPN is right and has had a source the whole time?

 

I understand everyone hates ESPN, but it's a stretch to say anything one way or another until this is resolved. There could be the simple reason that they agreed not to name the source like is the case a lot of times.

 

I dont think I follow your thought process. There is no way ESPN knows for sure Braun is guilty unless they know what the independent arbitrator is thinking. He is the one who is essentially determining this whole thing and I doubt their source from the start is connect to him. ESPN could end up being right but for some of these guys to act like they KNOW what is going to happen is wrong unless they have talked to the independent arbitrator.

[RockCoCougars]

As we speak, it seems that ESPN is too busy creating the next Tebow than to give more than a few soundbites on the Braun situation. I base this on their website, and the fact that last evening I was in an establishment where ESPN news was on (I don't watch by choice).

[brwrsfan]

If ESPN has a source, then they should be saying that. They're not saying "from what we've heard from sources close to the situation" like DP did, they're simply stating that Braun is guilty and is going to be suspended. And that is just simply poor broadcasting in my opinion. They don't have disclose their source, but at least say it. Otherwise, they are simply making an assumption about it and basically stating it as fact.

 

I just don't buy a source anyone as I highly, highly doubt anyone at ESPN is close with the arbitrator, and even if he was, he has a legal responsibility to keep his mouth shut.

[thebruce44]

It is going to be well over 100 pages. Just about every member of this forum is going to have something to say at least once. Heck, I'll say 115 pages.

 

Guys like kurkijan bug me when they add things like "all signs point to guilty" without backing it up with anything at all. A good reporter/journalist who was talking with Kurkijan would have said, "and what signs are those, Tim?" Instead, they come up with some stupid catchphrase.

 

Awesome screen name.

[JackNicholson1974]

Yeah, I couldnt figure out how to transport RyDogg66, so alas, I had to retire that nickname, RyDogg had been with this site since the beginning.

[JJHardy7]

I dont think I follow your thought process. There is no way ESPN knows for sure Braun is guilty unless they know what the independent arbitrator is thinking. He is the one who is essentially determining this whole thing and I doubt their source from the start is connect to him. ESPN could end up being right but for some of these guys to act like they KNOW what is going to happen is wrong unless they have talked to the independent arbitrator.

 

Well if there is no way then I guess there is nothing else to discuss, right? So we have that solved.

 

Just like anything else people talk. ESPN probably should've never received the original story anyways...but somehow that leaked. I really don't think there is only one person in the universe that knows which way this story is leaning. If that is true, that'd be a first for a lot of things.

 

I'm just believe it's possible there is a source.

 

Also, I heard DP backed off his statement. A friend told me something of that nature happened on the show a few days later. Good thing he said he heard from someone close...he should be thrown under the bus more than ESPN for that one.

[brwrsfan]

I didn't hear anything about DP backing down from his initial comments. When was this? Did anyone else hear this? If this happened a few days after his initial statement, I would have thought this board would have been all over it, just like it was the first time he talked about it. The only thing I saw him change was going for saying Braun was "innocent" to Braun was "not guilty", not that he was rescinding his source or his information or anything.

 

Anyone?

[monty57]

I really don't think there is only one person in the universe that knows which way this story is leaning.

 

From the bits and pieces I've heard, the panel is made up of one guy who's a union stooge who always votes for the player, one guy who's a MLB yes man who always votes against the player, and an "independent arbitor." If this is the case, then only the "independent" arbitor would know which way he is leaning, so unless that person is the source or has discussed his leanings with the source, then there really could be no source.

 

Now, the arbitor could have texted Bud Selig and the source could be hacking Bud's iPhone account, so it is possible there could be a source. We'll never know for sure.

[thebruce44]

I didn't hear anything about DP backing down from his initial comments. When was this? Did anyone else hear this? If this happened a few days after his initial statement, I would have thought this board would have been all over it, just like it was the first time he talked about it. The only thing I saw him change was going for saying Braun was "innocent" to Braun was "not guilty", not that he was rescinding his source or his information or anything.

 

Anyone?

 

I didn't hear anything either. I find it odd that the first time it would have been picked up by so many people and so many blogs but then nobody was paying attention the next day when he changed his stance. Doubtful.

[brettac1]

It's in the thread, isn't it? He re-worded his statement the next day, or soon after.