Designated Yost Thread... Latest: No accountability and lack of urgency (part 5)

[sheethead]

First off, I would like to bump this thread up and give Yost some props for the fine job he did last night. Hear the cheers when he came in to take out Mota? Its almost as if people in the stands were willing Ned to do the right thing, and he did.

 

And whether you were at the game or not, if you believe that every option that Yost had for the 12th was about equally as dreadful

 

If you believe every other option was equally dreadful then that is your opinion. Its just not the correct opinion, as I don't believe its mathmatically possible for 4 options to be equally dreadful.

[lcbj68c]

And whether you were at the game or not, if you believe that every option that Yost had for the 12th was about equally as dreadful

 

If you believe every other option was equally dreadful then that is your opinion. Its just not the correct opinion, as I don't believe its mathmatically possible for 4 options to be equally dreadful.

I don't know how you mathematically quantify the options really. Seems we had 4 options, loss, loss, loss, bad loss.

[Bucky Rules]

If you believe every other option was equally dreadful then that is your opinion. Its just not the correct opinion, as I don't believe its mathmatically possible for 4 options to be equally dreadful.

Actually it is mathematically "possible". Certainly not probable, but possible. But, I actually said "about equally as dreadful". And for you to continue to harp on the fact that DiFelice was a far superior option, then I'll remain steadfast that your opinion is "just not the correct opinion".

[sheethead]

And for you to continue to harp on the fact that DiFelice was a far superior option

 

I mentioned it once. And you did say about equally, that is correct. But in saying this you are admitting there were better options, unless you argue that Tavarez was the best option.

[Diskono]

First off, I would like to bump this thread up and give Yost some props for the fine job he did last night. Hear the cheers when he came in to take out Mota? Its almost as if people in the stands were willing Ned to do the right thing, and he did.

 

Agreed. It was a tough game, and Ned made some good decisions. Hopefully that will continue to be the case more often than not.

[sheethead]

Seems we had 4 options, loss, loss, loss, bad loss.

 

Really? I didn't see it that way. I saw loss, probably lose, maybe lose, gives us a chance.

[lcbj68c]

Actually it is mathematically "possible". Certainly not probable, but possible. But, I actually said "about equally as dreadful". And for you to continue to harp on the fact that DiFelice was a far superior option, then I'll remain steadfast that your opinion is "just not the correct opinion".

I don't have an opinion, per say, correct or incorrect (if opinions can be correct or not is matter of opinion http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif) But again I will say that it seems like the options were loss, loss, loss, & loss. But I can't get all warm and fuzzy over DeFelice. Even in hindsight, just pitch Tavarez and get it over with, save the bullpen another day.

[tristarscoop]

First off, I would like to bump this thread up and give Yost some props for the fine job he did last night. Hear the cheers when he came in to take out Mota? Its almost as if people in the stands were willing Ned to do the right thing, and he did.

Absolutely agreed. I was at the game and was just saying in my curmudgeonly way that Ned was going to pull him one guy to late when there Ned came out of the dugout! I was shocked and grudgingly happy.

[Postseason2006]

Yes, he did take him out but again, Mota was living on the edge with his GAS Price Whip.

[Bucky Rules]

But in saying this you are admitting there were better options, unless you argue that Tavarez was the best option.

I'm saying that it just doesn't matter. And to continue to discuss this decision by Yost is getting ridiculous. They're about equally as dreadful. Choosing one over the other is an effort in futility without having the benefit of hindsight. The fact that he chose to stick with Tavarez rather than bring in some other schmoe doesn't bother me in the least. And if not for a pre-disposed bias against all Yost decisions, it really shouldn't bother anyone as much as it appears to be bothering you. When we didn't score in the bottom of the 10th, we were - by definition - putting the game into the hands of someone who is (about equally) likely to lose it for us, no matter what his choice. And with every failure to score after that inning, the probability became that much greater NO MATTER WHO THE PITCHER WAS. You would've chosen DiFelice. Great. I've already pointed out that he came in and got torched, too. They all stink. Get over it.

 

If you wish to continue this debate of semantics though, I can go all day.

[RU Rah Rah]

And if not for a pre-disposed bias against all Yost decisions....

No one here is really guilty of this.

 

[olliegjw]

Seems we had 4 options, loss, loss, loss, bad loss.

 

Really? I didn't see it that way. I saw loss, probably lose, maybe lose, gives us a chance.

If you are upset about Tavarez pitching the 12th, then you should be upset that he pitched the 11th, since you don't think he was the best option.

[endaround]

Tavarez on full rest vs Tavarez who just threw 30 pitches is a huge difference

[sheethead]

You would've chosen DiFelice.

 

I never said this. What I did say was he would have been a better option than Tavarez (who is no longer with us thank God).

 

The fact that he chose to stick with Tavarez rather than bring in some other schmoe doesn't bother me in the least.

I can see why you are defending Yost regarding this game. I'm happy you weren't bothered. I was.

 

If you wish to continue this debate of semantics though, I can go all day.

 

I already won the semantics debate (unless you wish to argue Tavarez was the best available option no matter how bad all the other options were), so I am done with that argument. You say you used the word "about" to discount the equality of the bad options, but then continue to say there was no difference in who they brought in. Contradiction, which is it? Equal or not equal, no about about it.

 

then you should be upset that he pitched the 11th

I was.

[Bucky Rules]

No one here is really guilty of this.

Shouldn't this have been in blue?

[RU Rah Rah]

No one here is really guilty of this.

Shouldn't this have been in blue?

No. It is just a flat-out misrepresentation to say that anyone here disagrees with every decision Ned makes.

 

[Bucky Rules]

Tavarez on full rest vs Tavarez who just threw 30 pitches is a huge difference

Tavarez pitched to five batters in the 12th (and walked one). Did he only throw nine pitches to those five batters?

[Bucky Rules]

No one here is really guilty of this.

Shouldn't this have been in blue?

No. It is just a flat-out misrepresentation to say that anyone here disagrees with every decision Ned makes.

 

 

Again... I didn't say that anyone disagreed with every decision Ned makes. I said that there is a pre-disposed bias on every decision. In other words... every move the guy makes is viewed with a skewed eye, and the assumption is that it's going to be the wrong decision. There is no denying that. People are ready to pounce given any opportunity at all. Many decisions that would go largely unnoticed if other guys were making them get dissected, ripped apart, and re-examined again (just in case) simply because Ned makes them.

[RU Rah Rah]

I said that there is a pre-disposed bias on every decision. In other words... every move the guy makes is viewed with a skewed eye, and the assumption is that it's going to be the wrong decision.

So there are people here who question him giving Sheets the ball every fifth day?

 

 

 

[sheethead]

I didn't say that anyone disagreed with every decision Ned makes... every move the guy makes is viewed with a skewed eye, and the assumption is that it's going to be the wrong decision.

 

Contradiction? If someone thinks every move the guy makes is going to be wrong, isn't it safe to you you think someone out there disagrees with every decision made? If someone believes a move to be wrong, then that person most likely disagrees with the decision, right?

[Fatter than Joey]

In other words... every move the guy makes is viewed with a skewed eye, and the assumption is that it's going to be the wrong decision. There is no denying that.

 

This is absolutely and entirely false.

 

You continue to build straw-men to help your arguments. There is no person on BF.net as you describe.

 

Here is the definition of what straw-man arguments are so you can address this.

 

I think Yost is a bad manager. There are things that I agree with him on more often than not, there have been things he has done that I wouldn't have that turned out well. I don't assume every thing he does will be wrong -- nor does anyone here.

 

Please stop this.

[Bucky Rules]

You would've chosen DiFelice.

 

I never said this. What I did say was he would have been a better option than Tavarez (who is no longer with us thank God).

 

The fact that he chose to stick with Tavarez rather than bring in some other schmoe doesn't bother me in the least.

I can see why you are defending Yost regarding this game. I'm happy you weren't bothered. I was.

 

If you wish to continue this debate of semantics though, I can go all day.

 

I already won the semantics debate (unless you wish to argue Tavarez was the best available option no matter how bad all the other options were), so I am done with that argument. You say you used the word "about" to discount the equality of the bad options, but then continue to say there was no difference in who they brought in. Contradiction, which is it? Equal or not equal, no about about it.

 

then you should be upset that he pitched the 11th

I was.

 

You know what, sheethead... I was wrong. I don't have all day to argue semantics with you. This is a complete waste of my time. You win. You're right. You're brilliant. I, like Ned, am an idiot. Have a nice day.

[fondybrewfan]

I hope Mota doesn't sniff the 8th innings anymore now that Riske is back. Hopefully Ned realizes that Mota is a rich man's Turnbow. He can be really good or really bad, if he isn't really good you better have someone up in the pen quick, we got lucky yesterday that he didn't blow the lead before Torres came on.

 

It is amazing how Ned all of a sudden looks like a competent manager again now that we are winning. IMO a managers performance is 95% out of his control.

[Fatter than Joey]

Hopefully Ned realizes that Mota is a rich man's Turnbow. He can be really good or really bad...

 

I think the key Ned needs to realize is Mota walks too many batters -- and if Mota gives up a hit, there is a good chance a walk will happen as well.

[sheethead]

You win. You're right. You're brilliant.

 

Thank you, but brilliant is an overstatement. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

I, like Ned, am an idiot.

 

Don't be so hard on yourself, not everything is black and white. Now you have to say 3 good things about yourself.