College Basketball 2009-2010 (part 2)

[bucks2281]

I didn't catch the Marquette game as closely, but it just looked like they weren't moving the ball like they normally do.

 

Their season 3-pt % was almost 43% before this game -- and they went 5/19 last night. Pitt also destroyed MU inside. Missed layups and the refs allowing very physical inside play didn't help the matter, either.

[PeaveyFury]

What did they do?

 

Multiple "F Bo Ryan" chants, clear as a bell for national TV.

[Buckylovesbeer]

TLB - not to hate on you, but a comment. The Badgers dont run the swing against a zone defense....they run a very slow, poorly organized, zone offense. Bo has taken some heat in years past for not having a better zone offense. The swing only works against a traditional man to man defense. No inside play makes it very hard on them to beat a zone. It forces them into the brutal hoist em up offense that we witnessed last night.

 

The swing, or any offense, can get very bad without good shooting!

 

Last nights game was bad all the way around. I dont think it can get much worse. Hopefully Leuer will now get his feet under him and the team will get used to having him back in the rotation.

 

I was disappointed in Bo's rotation last night. Jarmuz and Bruiser played a little too much, and Evans and Wilson didnt play enough. We had too much time with too few scorers in the game. Nankivil acted like he was only allowed to catch and shoot, and looked very slow. We looked incredibly un-athletic compared to Minnesota, and that sucks, because generally we are a way better team that Minnesota. But for some reason, these long and athletic teams make UW look terrible from time to time.

[TooLiveBrew]

TLB - not to hate on you, but a comment. The Badgers dont run the swing against a zone defense....they run a very slow, poorly organized, zone offense. Bo has taken some heat in years past for not having a better zone offense. The swing only works against a traditional man to man defense. No inside play makes it very hard on them to beat a zone. It forces them into the brutal hoist em up offense that we witnessed last night.

 

Thanks for pointing that out. I still stand by what I said... I think that even against man-to-man the swing offense can just be very 'blah'

 

 

I was disappointed in Bo's rotation last night. Jarmuz and Bruiser played a little too much, and Evans and Wilson didnt play enough.

 

I agree, though I do have to say I liked Bruiser's tenacity. This was the first game I can recall from him where he didn't just look invisible out there. I swear Smoove B Wilson didn't even play one minute -- that's what it felt like. He really could've helped imo. He seems to be the only Badger aside from Hughes that likes to take the ball to the rack.

 

Minnesota should be very good next season. Iverson & Sampson is a wicked post combo.

Nankivil acted like he was only allowed to catch and shoot, and looked very slow.

Apparently you can't coach assertiveness/aggressiveness into Nankivil. This guy drives me insane. He's a solid foul shooter, but he rarely takes his offensive rebounds right back up. I swear when things get physical his brain tells him he's 6'2" & 190 lbs

[Buckylovesbeer]

I agree with about everything you just said!

[PKBadger]

I swear Smoove B Wilson didn't even play one minute -- that's what it felt like. He really could've helped imo. He seems to be the only Badger aside from Hughes that likes to take the ball to the rack.

I think somebody over at Buckyville mentioned that during the brief moment that Rob was in the game, the team gave up 3 consecutive 3-point baskets. I'm guessing that Bo may not have liked what he saw from Wilson defensively.

[Buckylovesbeer]

Dear Bo

 

The swing does not work against a zone. So you do not use it against a zone. Please get a zone offense. What we resort to when teams run a zone against us is not good. Watching Taylor and Hughes pass back and forth for 30 seconds followed by a rushed shot is just not doing it for Badger fans. It cannot be our only zone offense.

 

(This second half vs. Northwestern is brutal to watch!)

[PeaveyFury]

It sure would be great if the Badgers would remember how to play basketball well again. These are very mediocre teams they're struggling against, not the likes of Purdue or OSU.

[Oldcity]

Another bad game for Wisconsin. They won but that hardly seems to matter. 43 points at halftime, and then they just get shut down in the second half--by a poor defensive team who recently lost to Penn St. and Iowa.

 

I couldn't understand why Ryan Evans hardly played after coming in and doing a good job on Shurna. Jarmusz was abused.

 

They need to wake up soon or this is going to end up a wasted season.

[wallus]

Dear Bo

 

The swing does not work against a zone. So you do not use it against a zone. Please get a zone offense. What we resort to when teams run a zone against us is not good. Watching Taylor and Hughes pass back and forth for 30 seconds followed by a rushed shot is just not doing it for Badger fans. It cannot be our only zone offense.

 

(This second half vs. Northwestern is brutal to watch!)

I'll be honest and say that against the zone I saw Wisconsin running the "X" offense which is a VERY common offense to run. They also ran a very similar 1-3-1 offense as to what my team (I'm only a lowly high school coach) does. The only difference is that we try to get the ball to the post players coming to the high post and Wisconsin did a poor job of that.

[Buckylovesbeer]

Wallus

 

I coach as well (high school) and I understand completely what you are saying. Apparently, UW does not want, or have the personell, to go into the high post. It is very frustrating to watch. Half the time, they dont even look to throw it inside.

 

We are not a dangerous team when we play like we did today

[Glennron]

Did Nankivil get injured? I'm not sure why he didn't play at all the last part of the second half.

 

Jarmusz looked awful defending Shurna. He was the reason Leuer was able to get that huge block at the end. If Shurna consistently blew by him, what's going to happen when they face a team with an athletic G/F in the tournament?

[Oldcity]

On the bright side, huge win for Marquette today. They needed that for their tournament resume.

[TooLiveBrew]

Did Nankivil get injured? I'm not sure why he didn't play at all the last part of the second half.

 

I wasn't able to watch the whole game, but I'd guess lack of impact is what got Nankivil on the bench. With Leuer looking better, I'd love to see Bo run a unit of Hughes--Taylor--Bohannon--Jarmusz/Evans/Wilson--Leuer quite a bit. I'm not sure what will actually reach Nankivil, but maybe not making his minutes practically guaranteed will help.

[jjfanec]

On the bright side, huge win for Marquette today. They needed that for their tournament resume.

They will get in the tourney because of a weak bubble but their resume is not really impressive at all. They are something like 2-8 against rpi top 50 teams. They have a big win against Georgetown but after that they have wins against teams like South Florida, Cincy, Xavier, not a lot of impressive wins out there. The Louisville game will be big for them.

[FVBrewerFan]

Jarmusz just gets too many minutes. Wilson needs to get more of those minutes, and that would be a step in the right direction.

[Oldcity]

I don't understand what's happened to Jarmusz. What happened to the guy who shut down Manny Harris twice?

[Menotti80]

On the bright side, huge win for Marquette today. They needed that for their tournament resume.

They will get in the tourney because of a weak bubble but their resume is not really impressive at all. They are something like 2-8 against rpi top 50 teams. They have a big win against Georgetown but after that they have wins against teams like South Florida, Cincy, Xavier, not a lot of impressive wins out there. The Louisville game will be big for them.

actually, Xavier is a pretty impresive win. and the win against cincy on the road is also a pretty good win because it was a road game and cincy did sweep uconn, who is looking like a tourney team. what i think will get them in is the 5-0 run they went on in the big east and their close losses (providing they dont fade down the stretch here)

 

[jjfanec]

On the bright side, huge win for Marquette today. They needed that for their tournament resume.

They will get in the tourney because of a weak bubble but their resume is not really impressive at all. They are something like 2-8 against rpi top 50 teams. They have a big win against Georgetown but after that they have wins against teams like South Florida, Cincy, Xavier, not a lot of impressive wins out there. The Louisville game will be big for them.

actually, Xavier is a pretty impresive win. and the win against cincy on the road is also a pretty good win because it was a road game and cincy did sweep uconn, who is looking like a tourney team. what i think will get them in is the 5-0 run they went on in the big east and their close losses (providing they dont fade down the stretch here)

You are right on Xavier being an impressive win. However, Marquette really does not have a great resume. Also I do not think a team should get credit for close losses. They should get punished more for a blowout but losing close does not mean you are a tournament team. Wisconsin lost a lot of close games last year but I do not think that helped them in the tournament's eyes.

 

Marquette will get in the tourney but if they lose 2 games down the stretch they are in a lot of trouble. They need to maintain a very nice record to go with a poor record vs the RPI top 50 which the committee looks at

[Oldcity]

I think a lot of people disagree with you. A close loss to a good team is probably seen in a better light than a narrow victory over a bad team. What was more impressive, Wisconsin's last-second loss at Purdue, or their narrow wins at home over Penn St., Michigan and Northwestern?

[LouisEly]

The problem is that I don't think the tourney committee looks at what the score was, just who they beat and who they lost to. Marquette's six Big East losses, IIRC, were to five ranked teams by a total of 18 points; I think if the tourney looks at the loss column though and sees @Wisconsin, @West Virginia, Villanova twice, @Syracuse, and Pitt they won't think anything less of Marquette; the losses to NC State and at DePaul could be the ones to hurt them.

 

I do think they have to win three of the last four and possibly beat both Louisville and Notre Dame at home the last two games. 20 wins overall and 11-7 in the Big East gets you in. They also need no upsets in the small conference tourneys - the Northern Iowas, Gonzagas, and New Mexicos can't slip up in their conference tourneys.

[jjfanec]

I think a lot of people disagree with you. A close loss to a good team is probably seen in a better light than a narrow victory over a bad team. What was more impressive, Wisconsin's last-second loss at Purdue, or their narrow wins at home over Penn St., Michigan and Northwestern?

In the eyes of pollsters and the committee wins always seem to be held more highly than losses, unless the win is against a bad mid-major or something. As a fan I would take a win over a loss any day of the week.

 

I agree with Louis that the teams you lose to matter but so do the teams you beat. The committee is going to look at Marquette's non-conference schedule and even a lot of their wins in the conference and say those are not tournament caliber teams. That will hurt them. The bad losses to DePaul and NC State will off-set a couple of their "good" losses. If they get 11 wins they are in for sure. If they were to lose once or twice down the stretch and then lose in the first round of the Big East tourney they would be in trouble, especially if a couple mid majors lose in their tourneys. Marquette's lack of many high quality wins, will only hurt them if they lose a game or two they should not down the stretch. If that happens then they will be sweating it out. I just do not think they have a ton of margin for error because some of the best parts of their resume are close losses which dont look quite as good when you have bad losses as well.

[FVBrewerFan]

Well, as of right now Marquette is in according to the "experts." But they've got the formula down pretty tight, and they've been pretty close to dead-on the last couple years. Don't forget the Big East tourney either. If they lose a couple more games, they may need to make it to the semis in the Big East tourney. But I think they have to take 7 teams from the Big East, so Marquette does control their own destiny.

[jjfanec]

Well, as of right now Marquette is in according to the "experts." But they've got the formula down pretty tight, and they've been pretty close to dead-on the last couple years. Don't forget the Big East tourney either. If they lose a couple more games, they may need to make it to the semis in the Big East tourney. But I think they have to take 7 teams from the Big East, so Marquette does control their own destiny.

Marquette is definitely in right now, but I think their resume requires them to not slip up down the stretch. A team like UCONN had a lot more margin for error than Marquette because of their quality wins. Marquette controls their own destiny but bit of a rough patch say losing 2 of 4 and then a first round exit in the tourney (which would not be shocking considering pretty much every Marquette game is close) would live them on the hot seat for sure. Being in the Big East will help them a lot, even though the conference, while the best conference, is not as good as the past couple years.

[Glennron]

Big win in overtime for Marquette tonight. Doesn't really bolster their resume but a loss would have sure hurt it.