College Basketball 2009-2010 (part 2)

[Buckylovesbeer]

Replacing Lazar Hayward will be very difficult. He is a great player

[Diskono]

Maybe one of UW's mystery players will end up being good. I'm hoping its Wquinton Smith. Every time I see his name, I think its a typo.

[hawing]

Maybe one of UW's mystery players will end up being good. I'm hoping its Wquinton Smith. Every time I see his name, I think its a typo.

WIBA radio reported this morning that Jared Berggren had a bum shoulder for much of the year, and is having surgery on it Thursday. Apparently Bo shared this news on his Badger basketball radio show Monday night, so I guess WIBA has the scoop - I haven't seen the information elsewhere yet. (Technically, it's also possible that I misheard the whole thing, since I was still waking up when the sports report was on.)

 

This doesn't prove that Jared will be the mystery player, but I was a little surprised to hear about it.

[jjfanec]

I think Rob Wilson and Jordan Taylor at guard could be a really benefit to this team. They both will be able to be the type of guards the swing offense is dependent on, in that they can post up. Heck, Wilson was our second best post-player this year. Both can shoot the three effectively enough, but people are right, behind them we lack depth. Leuer is a stud and I think he has another level to his game. Keaton NEEDS some post moves but who knows if they are there. Evans shows flashes of being a guy who can be a solid (not featured) player.

 

Most likely to step up next year are Bergerren, Evans or Wilson. Also do not forget the incoming freshman class has some interesting sleepers in Gasser and Dukan. Both guys can shoot the rock, just not sure how they will be at defending.

 

The defense was the big issue in the cornell game. The offense played well enough to win. We need to figure out how to defend the screen and role. It was embarrassing.

[MJLiverock]

The problem I have with just chalking it up to Cornell getting hot, having all the shots fall. etc. is that WI shot over 50% for most of the game as well (vs. 44% for the year) and still couldn't crack the 70 point mark even though Cornell wasn't taking a lot of time on their end. This is a reflection of how deliberate and unwavering the offense is even in the face of falling further and futher behind. WI shot fairly well, cetainly better than vs. Illinois but still got blown out by 20 points. It was as if WI was playing in a different game than Cornell.

 

I think this also exposes that WI's defense is probably overrated when people just look at the scores they allow. Sure teams typically dont' score a lot but how much of that is due to WI being so deliberate and slow on the offensive end limiting posessions and not because they were some lock down defensive team. WI's field goal percentage against was 42.4% for the year, which was 7th best in the Big 10 even though they allowed the fewest points per game. Their 3 point field goal percentage against was 34.3% which was the 9th best in the leauge. Neither stat shows they are a great defensive team, just that they play really slow and take up a lot of time on the offensive end.

 

Looking at the team stats in relation to the other teams in the conference really shows that this team acheived about all it could considering they were 7th in total scoring per game, 6th in field goal percentage made, 4th in 3 point FG% and 1st in free throw percentage made. On defense they gave up the fewest points, but were 7th and 9th in FG% allowed, 9th in offensive rebounds, and 2nd in defensive rebounds. To me that looks exactly like what Bo preaches - - take up time on the offensive end, defensive rebounding, don't worry about offensive rebounds and get back on defense. Blocked shots and steals were 7th and 8th, both of which Bo doesn't try for because he likes positioning instead and doesn't like to foul, not to mention not really having the athletes to do either. The problem is the scoring ability was pretty weak and the actual making people miss wasn't good. This is a reflection of the weaker recruiting and ending up with guys whose other options were often mid major programs. WI also ended up 7th in free throw attempts, another sign they spend way too much time jump shooting from the perimeter and not driving or at least making the defender work to defend. The old hall mark of making more than the oppenents attempt at the line was gone with the offense this year.

[LouisEly]

don't worry about offensive rebounds and get back on defense.

 

That's exactly the opposite of what Cornell did - Cornell sent their guards back but had their forwards crash the offensive boards. Didn't help that the refs seemed to have a problem making the over-the-back call, but perhaps Cornell knew that UW didn't run the fast break so they decided to take the chance and went for the offensive rebounds, and it paid off. A case could certainly be made that the swing offense often doesn't put the forwards in a position to be able to get offensive rebounds.

 

Even if they had done a better job of keeping them off of the offensive boards, when a team shoots that well it is very, very difficult to beat them. It was like watching Davidson all over again.

[homer]

Cornell basically did the same thing to Temple and they play great D too albeit zone vs. UW's man to man. Sometimes teams go on hot streaks.

[MJLiverock]

Maybe I'm not reading your post correctly or maybe mine wasn't clear. I was commenting that Bo doesn't preach for WI to try for offensive rebounds but instead preaches take a good shot and get back on defense. Which is why they are near the bottom of the B10 in that categaory.

 

I read your post to mean WI allowed too many offensive rebounds to Cornell which may very well be the case in this game. As far as over the back calls go, watch Ryan Evans play, he is over the back constantly, he thinks he can out jump everyone like in high school but ends up over the back. He gets called for it sometimes but not everytime. I think that is why he looks so surprised when he gets some of the fould he does, because he plays out of control so often that they just don't call everything he does when out of position or crashing into people.

 

I still don't think WI lost only because Cornell was hot, WI was fairly hot too (at least shooting above their season average) and still failed to crack 70.

 

I think the crux of my post as I wrote it was that Bo did a good job getting the most out of this team but this team just wasn't that talented. If you told me a team that was

 

7th in total scoring per game

6th in field goal percentage made,

7th FG% allowed

9th in 3 PT FG% allowed

9th in offensive rebounds

7th in Free throw attempts

 

would finish in 4th place of an 11 team conference I would be surprised. Generating a 4th place finish while doing so poorly in those stats is quite remarkable but also telling once the tournament time arrived.

[TooLiveBrew]

We need to figure out how to defend the screen and role. It was embarrassing.

 

I agree completely. What's most embarrassing about it, to me, is that it really isn't difficult to defend. Most h.s. coaches should be able to instruct how it's done properly.

[jjfanec]

We need to figure out how to defend the screen and role. It was embarrassing.

I agree completely. What's most embarrassing about it, to me, is that it really isn't difficult to defend. Most h.s. coaches should be able to instruct how it's done properly.

It happened to us all year year. Illinois used it a ton against us. I am not sure if it is players being coached poorly or players playing it poorly. Whatever the case it needs to be fixed.

[TooLiveBrew]

I didn't notice it until the second Purdue game (@ West Lafayette). Literally every game from then on saw Bucky's opponents running their offense through high screens.

[homer]

I still don't think WI lost only because Cornell was hot, WI was fairly hot too (at least shooting above their season average) and still failed to crack 70.

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I know. UW actually played pretty well on offense. But Cornell made 33 shots to UWs 24 in roughly the same number of possessions (about 62 for CU, 60 for UW). It's not like Cornell is some run and gun team - they play pretty slow.

 

Per game averages are very deceiving because of differences in pace. Look into per possession stats instead.

[razzzorsharp]

UWGB is doing well in an away game in the second round. Also, the refs are letting Iowa St. hammer them Phoenix inside.

[razzzorsharp]

This officiating is a joke. They are doing everything they can to help out Iowa St. Phantom travels, fouls galore, lane violations. I literally saw a UWGB player get shoved to the ground.

[razzzorsharp]

And now a flop and offensive foul on Tetchlag. Jesus this is sick.

[razzzorsharp]

My last post about this game because I am annoyed. UWGB just got hip shoved out of bounds by Iowa St. to effectively end the game.

 

UWGB did not have a fair shake in this game and it's a shame. It's no wonder why it is so tough for underdogs to do well in the women's tournament with bias officiating. The announcers, of course, don't care. They have their matchup they wanted now.

[trwi7]

She was moving her feet, that was good defense. She was stupid to go into the corner and they just made another stupid play to try and pass the ball fullcourt instead of playing to get it across halfcourt and then calling their last timeout.

[razzzorsharp]

You can move your feet. You can't guide someone out of bounds with your hips.

 

And yes, those were two mistakes made from UWGB.

[PeaveyFury]

Name another team that advanced to the Elite 8 by only beating double digit seeds?

 

The 2010 West Virginia Mountaineers.

[trwi7]

Name another team that advanced to the Elite 8 by only beating double digit seeds?

 

The 2010 West Virginia Mountaineers.

Couldn't find any past instances could you?

[valpocrewsader]

I've hated Butler before, but never as much as tonight. How I wish I could punch Brad Stevens right in his smug little face with every ounce of strength I've got. The whole lot of arrogant Butler nation can get bent.

[radman12484]

I've hated Butler before, but never as much as tonight. How I wish I could punch Brad Stevens right in his smug little face with every ounce of strength I've got. The whole lot of arrogant Butler nation can get bent.

I wonder why that is VALPO?

 

 

[Buckylovesbeer]

West Virginia is really good though........

 

Gus Johnson is pretty awesome ..... do a google search for the Gus Johnson soundboard, it is pretty classic

[Oldcity]

Funny, I thought the same thing--about Syracuse. Boeheim gave him a millisecond handshake. What a gracious loser.

[Buckylovesbeer]

John Wall is very good, but I wouldnt call him the best player in the NCAA. He has a ton of tallent around him, which makes him look better, and still, turns the ball over a ton. His three point shooting is not very good at all. Dont get me wrong.....as a badger or a warrior, he would have been awesome....

 

I would argue that most point guards would look good with Bledsoe, Cousins, and Patterson to pass to all the time. Anyone care to comment?

 

And since I feel like being a hater tonight.....will someone tell Crawford from Xavier that #1 he didnt dunk on LeBron, but actually, next to LeBron, and #2 he plays at freakin Xavier so why is he trying to act like Jordan on the floor? http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif I mean come on, you play for Xavier.....and you transfered from freakin Indiana.....

 

Second edit of the night......he hits two long bombs and celebrates even more, to Gus Johnson's delight......it only makes me dislike Jordan Crawford more!

 

Ok I am done hating for a night....