The Combined 'We're Trading Greinke' Thread (part 3)

[fondybrewfan]

There is a big difference between Krod and Hart. No way would I trade Grienke and Hart for Delgado and Minor. Grienke/Krod sure but Hart has much more value than that

[jjfanec]

The Braves have had interest in Hart in the past but I dont see it this year. Their OF is Heyward, Bourn and Prado (who is having a solid year) and at 1B that have Freeman. Where would Hart fit? They could send us Freeman

[ListachRides]

Delgado is a pretty good return. And the thought of pairing him with Pastornicky fits the report from Monday that Melvin was looking for a ML-ready arm and a SS or 1B. If that's the best that's offered, I'm satisfied. First, I'd like to see what our other options are.

 

Whats' better, Delgado/Pastornicky or Richards/Segura from the Angels? Also, any ideas about non-Olt packages from the Rangers? Perhaps Martin Perez and Luis Sardinas?

[jjfanec]

People are talking like Josh Johnson for Olt is a done deal which is a bummer for the Brewers. Hopefully, the Braves, Angels, White Sox, and apparently Red Sox make strong offers

 

Edit - I posted this after reading another poster say it was a done deal in another thread. Now that doesnt look to be as certain. Sorry for spreading a false rumor

[SRB]

People are talking like Josh Johnson for Olt is a done deal which is a bummer for the Brewers. Hopefully, the Braves, Angels, White Sox, and apparently Red Sox make strong offers

Any credible reports saying that a deal is anywhere close? Not even clear to me Marlins are willing to trade Johnson.

 

Either way, Melvin needs to hurry up.

[brewtank34]

Link?

[topper09er]

 

Looking like a deal of Olt for Josh Johnson is all but done.

 

 

Wow Johnson is signed for next year so Greinke looks much worse compared to him

[torts]

where are you guys seeing Johnson for Olt?

[SRB]

Colby Lewis is out for the season and has started 16 games with a 130 ERA+ That hurts them a lot, they have the Angels on their heels, may have their last chance with Josh Hamilton and must be very hungry after being so close twice in a row. With the new playoff scenario the race between them and the Angels suddenly is very important. They say Profar is off limits but who knows, they also have a nice 3B prospect in Mike Olt so I hope we get a package involving those guys somehow

Looking like a deal of Olt for Josh Johnson is all but done.

 

Down to Braves and ChiSox right now (per twitter reports)

From who? Not seeing this anywhere.

[slappzilla]

Link?

There's lots of them.

 

Google or do a search for #joshjohnson on twitter

 

Here's one that sums it up the best

 

http://www.bbtia.com/home/2012/7/25/josh-johnson-the-rangers-and-the-trade-that-could-be.html

 

So, yeah, it's pretty obvious what we're all thinking here, or at least what we should be thinking here: Josh Johnson coming on over to Texas, with the Rangers assuming the bulk of his remaining contract (approximately $5.5 million over the remainder of the 2012 season, and $13.25 million for the 2013 season), and with the Rangers headlining their end of the deal with Mike Olt. It's a remarkably, almost frighteningly, neat fit for both teams on paper, as it would give the Rangers a legitimate front-line starting pitcher who's controlled through the 2013 season, and would give the Marlins a cheap, young, and talented long-term solution at third base with first-division upside.

no, it's not a done deal, but the second the Rangers said they'd be willing to shed Olt for Johnson, the Marlins suddenly took serious interest.

 

Betting man says it's all but done.

[slappzilla]

just posted in other Greinke thread.

 

Speaking of that, there's two Greinke threads, both with the same subject (shopping him). Anyway we can combine them?

 

People are asking and saying the same things in both threads.

[SRB]

Betting man says it's all but done.

 

It's just Marlins fans dreaming. I highly doubt Miami even trades Johnson. Hanley, ok, he is a clubhouse cancer and sucks these days anyways. But why would anyone follow that team next year when they gut every good player? Horrible PR move, doubt any trade happens.

[FVBrewerFan]

If Delgado is the main piece from Atlanta, I'm not impressed. Wouldn't surprise me if Melvin puls the trigger, since he seems to be hell-bent on getting MLB ready pitching.

 

Hoping he holds out and waits for the competition for Greinke to heat up. I rather get a higher celing guy than Delgado- at virtually any position other than catcher. I would rather roll the dice with a reasonable 1 yr contract with Marcum and then Rogers or Burgos right about now instead of Delgado.

 

Cmon Doug. Get a higher celing SP, SS, or other position player.

[zzzmanwitz]

This is a discussion on whether to sign him or trade him. The other should be discussion potential trades involving Greinke.

[torts]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2012/07/hanley-ramirez-traded-to-the-dodgers/1

 

thats where it says Johnson is now available and that the Rangers are willing to part with Olt for him

[Invader3K]

Yeah, very premature to say a Johnson trade to Rangers is "all but done."

[B2k1121]

Link?

There's lots of them.

 

Betting man says it's all but done.

That's basically a blogger saying there's a good fit between the two teams. We think there's a good fit between the Brewers and Rangers as well, doesn't mean it's almost a done deal just because it makes sense. Plus I find it hard to believe the Rangers would come right out and tell the media they are willing to trade Olt for Johnson.

[brwrsfan]

I hope Melvin waits this out, the deadline is still a week away yet. No need to rush into a deal today. I wouldn't let Greinke pitch again for the Brewers, but I'd make sure I field all possible offers and the longer we hold out, the better the chance someone gives up more for him. IMO.

[1e Corbeau]

Whats' better, Delgado/Pastornicky or Richards/Segura from the Angels? Also, any ideas about non-Olt packages from the Rangers? Perhaps Martin Perez and Luis Sardinas?

 

IMO, I'd take the Angels over the Braves if those were the offers. Richards has a nice mix of pitches (mid-90s FB w/ sink, two other potential plus offerings in a slider and a fading change, so pitches to be effective against RH and LH batters) and Segura seems a better bat/D combo than Pastornicky.

 

In fact, I'd consider Richards + Segura/Cowart/Cron for Greinke as a good haul, maybe toss in KRod (if they overvalue him enough) to see if they bite on adding two of the slash players or Bourjos (who I'm not necessarily enamored with) or Taylor Lindsay.

 

For the Rangers, it's gotta be Olt and an arm. Prospects are still prospects and age 24 season in AA is still age 24 season in AA. Greinke has a higher probability of MLB success given that he's had it and continues to do it, so expecting two chances at prospects succeeding (hedging your bets) is reasonable and prudent. Olt's K-rates could be exploited as the pitching gets better at executing and the Texas League effect is normalized. I would love to get Olt, but he's not Profar or Dylan Bundy. Martin Perez would be great, but I'd think about Neil Ramirez or Cody Buckel.

[adambr2]

I don't think Johnson for Olt is unrealistic at all. Johnson, when healthy, is worth every bit as much as Greinke. For just strictly the 10-12 starts the rest of the season, I'd prefer to have Greinke, but Johnson is under contract next year and therefore not a rental, which makes him worth more IMO.

[SRB]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi

If #Dodgers can't complete deal for Dempster, they have Zack Greinke and Josh Johnson on their list, as well, sources say.

 

Zach Lee + Dee Gordon?

[brewmann04]

Zack next start is Sunday and have to believe a team looking at him wants him by then.

[brwrsfan]

Sure, but that doesn't mean we have to trade him today. We could trade him anytime this weekend and he could easily start for a team Sunday or early next week. I wouldn't put him back on the mound for the Brewers until after the deadline passes and we still have him for whatever reason.

[slappzilla]

If Melvin waits it out, the teams that want a SP will trade for Garza, Dempster, etc and their won't be anyone left to take Greinke, and whoever is left will just give up peanuts because they know the Brewers have to get something for Greinke. Waiting it out is not a good option.

 

B2k1121 - there are plenty of national reporters (Buster Olney, John Heyman, Ken Rosenthal) talking about it. Not just some blogger. I posted the blogger cause he summed it up best.

[adambr2]

For those who don't like a Randall Delgado return for Greinke, consider this -- if you consider the market FA value for a #3 starter to be $10M a year, which using Wolf as a standard, it is, and consider that Delgado is under control for the next 5 years as a pre-arby and arby player, and assuming he gets $4M, $6M, and $8M in arbitration, he's more than $30M in savings over those 5 years over trying to fill the middle of the rotation through free agency. It's not exciting, but that's not a bad return for a rental.

 

Of course, if we can get a higher upside player, I'm all for it.